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Add vi-like keybindings UI option. #18907

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apotheon opened this issue Sep 4, 2021 · 3 comments
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Add vi-like keybindings UI option. #18907

apotheon opened this issue Sep 4, 2021 · 3 comments
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A-Shortcuts Keyboard shortcuts O-Uncommon Most users are unlikely to come across this or unexpected workflow T-Enhancement X-Needs-Product More input needed from the Product team

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apotheon commented Sep 4, 2021

Your use case

What would you like to do?

I would like to be able to use vi-like keybindings in the Element.io web UI.

Why would you like to do it?

The biggest hindrance to my use of Matrix at this time is lack of a client that offers user experience that suits my preferences. The closest option is WeeChat with the Matrix plugin, but it does not support needed functionality for my needs, that plugin does not work on some platforms, and there is evidently only one plugin for vi-like keybindings (which happens to not be a great design for a vi-like keybinding option).

In short, I would like vi-like keybindings so I will be motivated to use Matrix rather than sticking with only irssi and IRC.

How would you like to achieve it?

I would like to have a simple, straightforward, easily discovered way to choose vi-like keybindings as an option in the Element.io web UI and, preferably, more UI keybinding configurability in general. Ideally, this would also be incorporated into the Element "desktop" application, so that if and when it gets ported to my preferred platform(s) I will be able to use that as easily as the web application.

Have you considered any alternatives?

The alternatives at the moment seem to be:

  1. WeeChat with Matrix plugin
  2. always using IRC instead of Matrix

As indicated in the use case information, the WeeChat option is deeply flawed. Just using IRC instead of Matrix defeats the interest in Matrix privacy and pseudo-decentralization capabilities.

Additional context

I manage some communities in IRC that may benefit from a move to Matrix, but are not really migratable to Matrix at this time due to hindrances for my own preferences in chat client usage, as well as due to client portability limitations so that not all user platforms for these communities are reasonably easy to get set up with acceptable Matrix clients. I am a privacy advocate, and others in these communities have similar sympathies, but moving to Matrix under current conditions would result in community fragmentation.

@robintown robintown added A-Shortcuts Keyboard shortcuts O-Uncommon Most users are unlikely to come across this or unexpected workflow X-Needs-Product More input needed from the Product team labels Sep 4, 2021
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This can probably be considered a duplicate of #15076 because if custom keybindings are implemented, one can implement vi-like keybindings

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apotheon commented Jan 2, 2022

That's not necessarily the case. A modal interface is not supported by many applications' custom keybinding capabilities, for instance, and some systems make configured attempts at vi-like keybindings too cumbersome to bother using (e.g. via requirements for modifier keys where vi would not use them). The combination of keybindings in series, with numeric prefix arguments and something of a language grammar would need to be supported or at least largely simulatable via custom keybinding configs.

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In revisiting this, I should note that supporting vi-like keybindings in the Element web application itself is not actually all that important. It seems to be highly compatible with vi-like keybinding browser extensions (at least including cVim for Firefox). As long as it continues to work well with such vi-like keybnding browser extensions, my needs are met.

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