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Business level statistics - IIA #82
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I have got statistics from some of you and see that the description should be more precise. We are interested only in IIAs for the new Erasmus+ programme shared under EWP. Let's try to calculate such numbers:
Please, let us know when you switch on the flag in-effect. |
in-effect is set as soon as there are both signatures / approvals |
MoveON sets in-effect as soon as it is signed by the local HEI i.e. point 2 |
In ErasmusJET, the in-effect flag can only be set once the IIA is signed by both of the partners. There is no automatic set operation during the sign/approval process. And if the IIA is signed by both partners, the IRO staff themselves decide when to set in-effect=yes, as this will affect the IIA to be displayed/used in mobility application forms. |
In OSIRIS in-effect is set when both parties have signed/approved. |
in our system the in-effect for EWP is separate from the activation for applications, etc. |
In ISOIS, the in-effect is on if our copy has ever been approved by partner, either by EWP or by other means. |
In OASIS (ugent.be), the in-effect is set to true as soon as the agreement is
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This is the feedback of Ghent University: We don’t see the added value of subitems under 5, as they resemble item 2 and 4 and are prone to different interpretations amongst applications. |
Our proposal for today is the following (we will discuss it on 2022-06-22 at the Infrastructure Forum meeting):
Is this more clear now? |
Let me translate these into developer language :)
* local-hei means you/your-hei Corrections and/or improvements are welcome. |
So definitely that's meaning is not "how many IIA is processed in such HEI" but "how many IIA is originated in such HEI". If any HEI is passive in creation and only approve all IIAs send to them, they will still report 0 and that's not mean "they don't do it" but only "they don't originate process". Am I right? A creates IIA and sends it to B. B prepare counter-offer and send it back to A. Than A approved and B approved lately. In that case A is reporting 1 fetchable and 1 both approved, B is reporting 0 fetchable and 0 both approved. Am I right? I am asking because interpretation of statistics portal among clients is different and discussions "they don't use it properly" or "that provider is not able to handle IIAs properly" appears. But that numbers tell nothing about usage of IIA at HEIs, it is only about "who first start the negotiation process". Am I right? |
And much more - interpretation as charts are pretty ridiculous. What mean chart with number of IIAs per country or per provider? It doesn't mean HOW MANY IIAs is prepared/approved by country or by provider's system. it only means "where are active HEIs who started that process", nothing else. It is necessary to add some comments/information to charts for better interpretation of results. |
That would mean that this HEI is not handling IIAs properly. There will always be two copies, one at each partner. If partner A creates IIA with partner B, also partner B (in his system) will create IIA with partner A.
No. A sends CNR to B. B gets IIA and stores it in his system. So B of course will also have 1 fetchable. B makes changes in his version, sends CNR to A. A gets changes. If A is happy, both will approve both copies. A and B will have 1 fetchable and 1 approved by both. B could not send approval if B would not have his copy, because B has to share IIA identifier with A.
No, you are not. |
During the Infrastructure Forum meeting today we discussed the possibility to gather the following data from each HEI in the EWP Network:
From each HEI, those IIAs which meet all of the conditions:
Do you agree that this statistics will properly show the picture of system in operation and activity of local IRO staff?
Could you. please, check if this description is clear and you can easily gather such data?
Could you share this statistics with EWP tech team? As yet unofficially, we will not yet share it with anybody outside the team.
After we gather some opinions we will ask DG EAC for their opinion and their ideas how we will be gathering such (similar) data in the future.
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