cadence packaging and ladish as claudia dependency

[dvzrv]

According to INSTALL.md, claudia needs ladish (as it's a frontend).
I'd like to move cadence from the AUR to the [community] repository in Arch Linux, but due to the fact, that ladish is included, I would also have to integrate flowcanvas, which has been dropped purposefully and replaced by ganv.
I don't see any intentions in porting ladish to ganv any time soon... so, what's your way of dealing with it so far @falkTX?
Do you plan on keeping claudia around, or is there something, that is actually a worthy replacement?

[falkTX]

There is no replacement.
The solution will be to make claudia optional.

For now you can package things and remove ladish as dependency.
There is no build-time dependency on time, so this is fine.
Claudia will refuse to start, but the rest of the cadence suite still works fine.

[dsonck92]

I'd like to point to some ideas I wrote in #142 which should make it relatively easy to steer away from ladish. NSM already is in [community].

I will try to adapt the programs mentioned there and see if I can do a few points as proof-of-concept as I myself heavily rely on (well, not so much these days but still launch) ladish and claudia.

But input from @falkTX is welcome: I think simplifying Claudia and migrating to NSM would be wise, especially since it would remove some complexity. Especially since NSM already makes the system more simple than ladish by splitting the jack connections and session management into two separate programs, allowing NSM to work without jack and letting it focus on session management (akin to the Unix way)

[falkTX]

Claudia will remain with ladish, if something gets done for NSM it will be a brand new tool.
No plans to do this right now or even this year.

[davex25]

Sounds like ladish doesn't actually need a UI at all. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=888656

Since I like Claudia, and would like to be able to run it on Archlinux, I tried cloning Ladish from github and building it. Needed a couple tweaks to build successfully (will commit them to Github), but default configuration options on my system seems to create a library with no UI.

That's as far as I've gotten at this point. Might try building Claudia from source against it later and see if that works.