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well you should be safe to use Palemoon for your fork unless Palemoon go's with a different license or you brake the license between Firefox and Palemoon by making it "Closed source" but it mostly depends on the situation and problem. |
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Also "MyPal" is your property so they can't tell you what to do with it, They(Palemoon) made their browser Open Source soo they are the one to put the blame on at first place. |
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As i understand they took code from the firefox and not allowed to go closed source, and this is fair. They continues take new code pieces from the firefox mostly. Today i noticed moonchild put his name on few specific files |
Honestly what's their problem with you?? can't they just go bully and be j*rks to other developers?. TL:DR: MoonchildProductions have no right to sue you as long as their code is Open Source, And if the code you are using is Open Source with the same license. TL:DR2: MoonchildProductions can go and sit down and shut up until they find a valid reason to sue you or make problems with you. |
There always was half-allusions and threats but never they never tell strict though, i think that they do not like greatly i publish my alternative browser. I was just curious why he put his name inside some particular files, cant he put his name inside every file? |
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Hey folks |
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No, the code is under the Mozilla Public License 2.0 which has terms and conditions you must comply with in order to use Covered Code under that license. It is NOT public domain and cannot be used as you see fit as if it were. |
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Please read and understand the MPL 2.0 thoroughly. If you have trouble understanding it, get legal counsel. For example:
This is incorrect. it is not Public Domain.
This is only true if and and for so long as the Open Source license is adhered to. |
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So whats wrong, do you want it become not public? There in the Mozilla license written that it must be public, and you must provide your sources too. |
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We are in compliance and provide the source code. You are not. |
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like it or not but i provide the source code too, and i pointed you where to look for what is your problem? |
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When you provide an Executable Form you must inform all recipients where they may obtain the Source Code Form of Covered Code that produced it. On-demand responses pointing to a single untracted branch does not qualify and certainly not on an on-demand basis after a violation of terms has occured. This must be done upon their receipt of it by reasonable means if you distrubute an Executable Form under Section 3.2 Paragraph A. You have not done this. Since for me, irregardless of the state of claims by other contributors, this is the second time you have violated the terms of the MPL in regards to Covered Code including Modifications by my self under this License. Thus under Section 5.1 I have terminated your grant (from Section 2.1) to use any Covered Code of which I have contributed. As a result you must withdraw all Executable Forms created from Covered Code I have contributed to and remove such code from any future offerings. This includes MyPal and Centaury. Referencing the issue you dismissed out of hand for the record: Feodor2/Centaury#39 |
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You post leads to misinformation Here the right paragraph of https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/MPL/2.0/ **3.2. Distribution of Executable Form If You distribute Covered Software in Executable Form then: |
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I was not informed of how I can obtain the Source Code Form used in creation of an Executable Form before or after I downloaded and ran the Executable Form. Your after-the-fact information does not bring you back into compliance with the MPL because it is not clear that branch is the state of the Source Code Form used in creation of such Executable Form. Your second violation of the License means you cannot return to a compliant state under the License unless I, as a contributor, allow it. The first time you could by complying, this time it is not so easy even IF you do take steps to comply, which you haven't as you have yet to make any effort in that regard to any others obtaining your distributed Executable Form. Since you are in violation of the terms of the License and under the terms of that License I have terminated your grant to my contributions it falls back to bog standard copyright and since you no longer have such a right or license to use such code you are violating my intellectual property rights. As such further action will have to be undertaken if you do not comply with my lawful request to remove infringing intellectual property. Please remove it, btw. |
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You bear all the misinformation, you distort mozilla license. |
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I always though the open source community was all about helping each other and making things better together, all this talk sounds more like how large powerhungry corporations would act... |
I am asserting my rights under the terms of the Mozilla Public License 2.0 as a contributor of Covered Code. You have already stated intent to continue to violate said terms by asserting that you can do anything you want with Covered Code. You are the one who is misinformed if you believe you can violate the terms of the License and that each contributor does not have rights under this License. |
Then maybe @Feodor2 shouldn't use code under a license specifically created by a big corperation in the first place. Perhaps he should find something GPL or BSD to work on. |
No, in fact he's applying the Mozilla license to the letter here. Nothing is distorted except your misinterpretation of the license. Like I said before if you can't understand your obligations under the MPL, get legal counsel who can explain it in a way you can understand.
Maybe it's news to you but individuals also have legal rights under the copyright act. In fact, it is the default unless rights are granted (note: granted!) by the rights holder otherwise. The MPL grants such rights, but only if you are in compliance with it. Break with the license, then you can no longer use the code. |
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Tobin i wont go for your manipulations. I consider that it is all right with rules of the license and this article. |
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You violate my rights repeatedly and you dare to say I am being manipulative? I have cited the license as written and tried to enlighten you but all you do is ignore any substance that would hold you accountable and then flaunt it. I am sorry but there is no reasoning with you. I will have to pursue this by additional means. It really is a sickening feeling when your rights are trampled... |
This is exact lie, you cited the license as you see fit. |
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Who is lying here dude? I have linked, referenced, and cited the Mozilla Public License version 2.0, specifically, which terms you have violated and under which terms I am acting. I have also provided additional explainations as to what those terms mean and how they are applied in context. You have responded with personal attacks and misrepresentions when you couldn't just dismiss it and sweep it under the rug with a click of the mouse. Actions have consequences and yours are long over due, my friend. |
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Additional reference issues for per-contributor notifications of license violations: |
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Tobin you may edit your posts of course, but your older lies remain preserved. |
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So correcting typos, adding additional information, and clarifing statements is lying now. K. You do know I can delete the older revisions of my comments, ye? Didn't really think about it until you mentioned it but I will leave em as is so others outside your XP fetish clique can see YOUR rather poor attempt at manipulations. Regardless, I think I will let others to whom you have damaged respond further. This isn't all about me but every contributor to such Covered Code under this License. |
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Do you want to say you typed license paragraphs by hands? Why. If wanted cite exact paragraph you copy paste. |
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You might want to make a few corrections yourself there, buddy. |
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I notice you removed your australis-class browser downloads but the violation still exists and because of it your grant to use my contributions is still terminated. Your strata4-class browser and a significant swath of platform codebase contains code I have touched. Still needs dealt with. The grant cannot be reinstated. Please comply at once. |
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Yeah. Thank You! |
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@wolfbeast Pale Moon 29.4.3 has been announced https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=222320#p222320 and is downloadable from https://www.palemoon.org/download.shtml ... however I am not yet seeing it on https://archive.palemoon.org/source/ ... where to get it? .. Nevermind I see it uploading now. |
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This is an exceptional thread, really. A story of how a respectable programmer turns out to actually be a pathetic evil man who finds joy in bullying non-native English speakers with legalese, and also in being a furry. It's Dostoevsky level, almost. Btw if you think that I am talking about Tobin here, well I'm sorry, but you're wrong. I know Tobin for many years (not personally, I just followed his online activities), and he's a very respectable programmer, an alpha-male with a good soul, he always tries his best to help non-native English speakers to understand what he's saying, and it's just impossible that he may somehow be involved with the furry community. -- Anyways please disregard my poor attempts a humor above (If you think it's inappropriate, please PM me and I'll delete it). What I really wanted to express here is just my warmest regards to @Feodor2. The world would be a better place if there were more developers like @Feodor2. Thank you. |
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Am not sure have fully understood this thread, but if I have then:
again, I am an attorney and am new to github, so am unsure of how personal contacting works here. But @ Feodor2 is welcome to contact me directly and I can review the specific factual issues (no charge), and perhaps assist with an appropriate legal response. Obviously, there are so many anxiety issues in life right now, with politics, economy, CORONA, etc., so sometimes hard for people to breath deeply and calmly, but... obviously best if everyone were to get along, and mutual assist one another, instead of attack and tear down. But, if there needs to be a legal involvement.... I am happy to assist. |
I am not involved in the Mypal project, but since its demise I am interested in including some Mypal code in my similar project, White Star. The reason would be to have White Star builds for Windows XP. I have been looking for an attorney to advise me on the potential issues. I cannot find any private contact information for you on GitHub, but my contact information is available on the web site linked from mine. I would love to talk to you and hear your insights. Thanks, |
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I am in the proccess of removing all official Pale Moon browsers and anything else touched by these two fat and evil individuals from me and my family's devices. God bless roytam1 for not backing down and continuing to make Pale Moon work on Windows XP. |
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Feodor2 has a nickname zzz528 on the ru-board.com forum But he hasn't been online since January 6, 2022. And his last post in the software section was on December 25, 2021. |
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Feodor2 should just come back to Mypal. 99% of the Internet would support him, he never broke the license in bad faith, and it's not like Tobin can drive his mobility scooter to Russia anyway. |
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palemoon project is a joke after all |
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Even more joke...
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Pale Moon is turning into pretty much freeware software (I mean, closed-source for all intents and purposes, but still free regardless.) |
No. It's a clown-ware |
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Ahaha. "The project" came under attack! The Russians did it! As a Russian, I would say that I am quite proud. And wow, holy sh*t the pathetic furry is even more pathetic than I thought before. Also,
WTF is the man-child talking about here? Has he forgotten to take his schizo meds again? |
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Fedor is Ukrainian, as far as I remember. |
Ah ok, I apologize for the mistake. |
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Check out his last post just one up in his URL tree. |
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War has begun, wish you will be safe. |
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sometimes it's the only solution to wipe out mafia mercenaries paid by lobbies threatening ukrainian and russian peace. |
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I am hereby restoring the grant for code I have contributed that MyPal was using on the grounds that @Feodor2 be more careful next time about following the terms of the MPL 2.0. Rejoice! Also, tell @roytam1 to contact me at email@mattatobin.com .. I have some gifts for him. |
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Are you funny? There is no standing for you. README |
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Well that's his decision. BUT if he wants it it is there, never the less as I don't expect there to be a Pale Moon for much longer. |
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Well, take care of your psychosis, a good doctor is important. |
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If you want to talk about psychosis.. talk to Moonchild.. Seeing as he went nuts today. |
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No, I'm really worrying about you, because you told me you did not make funny. Maybe the condition is aggravated, you have to go and see your attending physician. |
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Hush dude lol |
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Thank you for doing the right thing! |
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@silitekmodder I appreciate it but to be fair I don't quite deserve thanks for this. I am sure lots of people agree! |
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All this obsession with a license and the need to be always right just to give it away like that? We're talking about a "project" which served the needs of a small number of users using an OS that almost no one uses. It's something so small that almost no one cares about... but it doesn't matter if it has 1 or 100 users... you have to pick a fight and be an a-hole because you're technically right. After what recently happened with Pale Moon, I feel sorry for the next project Matt and Moonchild (if Pale Moon dies) decide to contribute to. You're both talented people, but f_ck me... if it's not the license, it's some testing repo that isn't following copyrights or something else; the us vs them mentality because of the hate you receive (partially due to behaviour like this); and so on. Toxic as f_ck. To Feodor2, I hope you and those close to you are safe. From what I hear from a friend that lives in a city under attack in the east, it's not easy... Good luck. |
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Context about the recent events that went down in PM: |
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Who cares? Thing is already over yet, before a long time. |
and others
I know in general that with opensource code anybody can do whatever they want. But i may be do not know something and with this particular code too. I ask someone who knows better to check if its alright from this side.
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