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Tooltip unclear: suggestion for better distinction between two options for backspace #3588

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peter-scholtens opened this issue Oct 10, 2023 · 6 comments

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@peter-scholtens
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The file data/geany.glade contains an unclear explanation of the option between either removal of an indent (removing possible multiple characters) or a character, see the property tooltip-text of object class="GtkCheckButton", id="check_backspace_unindent".

Instead of "With the cursor in the indentation, pressing backspace unindents instead of deleting one character" I would suggest to re-write it to: "With the cursor in the indentation, pressing backspace deletes it completely (removing multiple characters) instead of deleting a single character."

(not urgent, see #3582 (comment))

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b4n commented Oct 10, 2023 via email

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elextr commented Oct 10, 2023

With the cursor in the indentation, pressing backspace deletes it completely (removing multiple characters) instead of deleting a single character.

This is incorrect, it removes one level of indentation, it does not delete indentation completely. The existing message is more correct because it uses "unindent" to describe removing a level.

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elextr commented Oct 10, 2023

Heh, overlapping comments :-P

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peter-scholtens commented Oct 10, 2023

New attempt: "With the cursor inside an indentation, pressing backspace deletes this indentation level instead of deleting only a single character."

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elextr commented Oct 10, 2023

Wiktionary shows "unindent", "outdent", "dedent" as synonyms for the exact action backspace is performing (and the preceding checkbox for shift-tab). Its better to consistently use the relevant terminology than to attempt to describe it in English, the least precise language there is :-P.

As a reference point Vscode uses "outdent" for that operation. Python describes the changing of its indent levels as indent and dedent. Sigh!!! Consistency!!!! But nobody tries to describe it.

Of course when translating if "unindent" does not exist in [your language here] then you will have to describe it, but that does not imply that the correct English term (well one of the three) should not be used in the English desription.

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Some more annoyance: VScode uses outdent, but Microsoft discourages it..... Democratically, Google reports unindent 1.1 million and outdent 31,6 million times. Best explanation (to use unindent indeed) I found at Stackoverflow.. Well, I'm not a native speaker.

For me it was unclear that an indentation can be constructed from several characters (e.g. 4 spaces). But I've no idea how to explain that better here. Possibly 'one character' -> 'one single character'?

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