Fahrprofil_0

[Mjukes]

Hi, I hope you can help. I've got a 2020 Passat GTE with DCC and Ambient plus. I have assigned colours to my drive modes, but whilst researching this, I found many references to Fahrprofil_0 being "coming/leaving home" and having a different colour assigned to it.

However assigning a colour to this profile on my Passat does nothing.

I'm essentially looking to have the Ambient strips come on with CH/LH and this profile appears to control that. Looking through your data you don't seem to apply too much to Profile 0, I wondered if you knew its role and if it could be activated on a car missing it?

Many thanks in advance

Mike

[jilleb]

Hi,

Good question, let's test if profile 0 does something.

[Mjukes]

Excellent. Thank you.

[Mjukes]

in case it helps my BCM is 5Q0937086BR running SW 303.

[Cuzoe]

I have not done anything with profile zero in the FPA data set. But my ambient lights come on when I unlock, and they are on when I turn off ignition. I'm assuming that is what you mean.

That is set in BCM adaptations. I have mine set for blue. Once the ignition turns on the ambient lights to go to the color for whatever driving profile I am in, after ignition is off they go back to blue.

[Cuzoe]

In vehicle menu you can't scroll?

The very last thing in my vehicle menu is factory settings. Once I select that I get a new set of options that includes ambient lighting, lighting, wipers, parking, etc.

[Mjukes]

Yeah. I can scroll. Just not there. Checked personalisation menu and there’s nothing there. I’ve asked in the forums if it’s hidden or anything.

[Cuzoe]

Strange, I've always had that menu there... Going back to when I picked it up from the dealer. That was countless retrofits ago so there were fewer things I could factory reset. Possibly only lights, opening and closing and mirrors/wipers.

But back then one of the things that was always talked about on the forums was that if you made changes, typically to things like DRLs... You should go into this menu and do the reset of Lights.

Where are these options in your car now? Maybe post an admap of 5F Infotainment. Or better yet attach it. That way it doesn't make the thread so long to scroll through, haha.

[Mjukes]

Lol. Let me see if I can pull that in the morning. 👍🏼

[Mjukes]

So, I suspect this is another quirk of the 2020, which features the E-sim and Driving profiles where your settings are saved to the profile. Makes no sense and I have looked at all menus and cannot find anything that allows individual resetting. The 2018 Passat DID have this menu (confirmed by other owners)
I've attached my adaptation map (I hope). Perhaps it's a menu that can be activated?

Multimedia.txt

[jilleb]

I added data to profile 0 of the fpa dataset. The behavior doesnt change. I know older bcm versions support a different color when unlocking... But so far on the newer ones, I havent reproduced it.

[Mjukes]

I had read it had been ‘removed’ from the later BCM’s but I couldn’t understand why. Really hope you find something.

[olli991]

It is working on older version. In my car it's working.
I'm running:
SW 0273
HW H38
Partn-No. 5Q0937084DD
HW-No. 5Q0937084CG

Attached is my current adaptaion of the bcm.
BCM adap.txt

[Mjukes]

What car/year? I can see your fahrprofil_0 has a number assigned so assume this is standard? Or did you make changes to get it working?

[olli991]

It's all changed by me. It's a Seat Leon ST MY2019.
I have changed it to 30 colors and made the 30th color white and coded that to profile 0

[Mjukes]

See I think that’s the difference. My profil-0 does nothing no matter what colour I select.

[lito69]

On Seat leon BCM works profile 0 on CG,CQ,DD, more people downgrade DH to DD for this question and others opction not abaliable on DH

[Cuzoe]

Ahhhh... that makes sense to why it used to work in my car (NAR Golf 7, facelift BCM retrofit).

When I first did facelift BCM I used 5Q0937084DD, bought from EU. I had to change because NAR key is 315Mhz, while EU is 433/434. There is an adaptation in the BCM to choose frequency. It seems to change the receiver frequency but the antenna in the EU BCM is not tuned for 315. My remote key only worked if held right beside the BCM (I do not have KESSY).

Anyway, seems that it does not work now, my BCM is 5Q0937085CC, from some Audi...
Maybe I'll try proper Mk7.5 NAR BCM 5Q0937087BB next :D

[Mjukes]

Definitely seems to be at BCM level. Quite why they would decide to remove that behaviour god only knows.

[Mjukes]

Ok, so heres an interesting quirk/behaviour

So, on the Passat GTE whatever driving profile you select is remembered when you restart the car.

Except GTE mode. In GTE mode, once you switch the engine off it reverts to the mode you'd chosen prior to pressing GTE.

Except it doesn't entirely

With my adaptations, GTE mode seems to adopt whatever colour I select when I choose Manual in the ambient Menu. I am not sure which Fahrprofil actually relates to GTE mode. In this case I use RED

However, if I am in GTE mode when I shut my car off, when I then unlock (thanks @Cuzoe ) the door strips come on.... RED.

And they stay red until I turn on the ignition...whereby they change to the previously selected mode. (Purple)

The "manual" / GTE connection is odd and not one I have explored. Is there a way to see which profile GTE lives under using OBD11?

I wonder if this switching behaviour is useful to us at all?

[Cuzoe]

GTE will be it's own driving mode (which most cars don't have, obviously).

The behavior you describe with the car not "staying" in a mode is normal, and is part of the FPA dataset. The dataset actually dictates which Modes the car is allowed to start (after ignition cycle) in, and even further dictates which mode some individual modules are allowed to start (after ignition cycle) in.

One example is that on the Golf R the exhaust flaps always start in Normal (mid way between open/close). It does not matter if the person turned the car off in Race mode, where the exhaust flaps were full open. On ignition cycle, they will go back to mid range, even though the driving mode is still Race. Similar for the DSG, which does not start in Sport mode. The FPA dataset effectively has some defaults.

You can modify your dataset, as is the subject of this GitHub, to change this behavior. I have modified my dataset to allow everything to start in every mode... which means for me nothing changes between ignition cycles.

[Mjukes]

So you think GTE will live outside of the 15 Farhprofils?

[Cuzoe]

GTE Mode is the weird one, but nothing lives outside of the 15, Probably Profile 8. In the attached picture it shows as "unknown" but on some other GTE datasets this is Profile 8...

This if from a 2021 Passat GTE, I wonder if this is a factory error in the dataset

This if from a Magotan GTE (Chinese Market Passat equivalent). And GTE mode is set to Profile 8.

[Mjukes]

Ahh. That sort of makes sense. I have the individual
Profile set in Int. light 2nd generation set as 8, which is blue.
So perhaps it’s overwriting profile 8 with whatever is set in the manual (individual?) ambient setting?

[lito69]

Yes

[Mjukes]

Right. That’s resolved that. The behaviour above is exactly what’s happening. I’ve now set the ‘individual’ (manual) to profile 0. And GTE then reports the correct colour.

I had hoped setting to 0 might stir something but nothing

So again back to dataset as to how it behaves on those earlier BCM’s

the data you shared above. Do you have any examples of what 0 looks like on a some cars?

[Cuzoe]

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking... And I'm not on my computer now. But if I sent a screenshot like above, the top line would say...

Profile Position 0: Comfort (1)

[Mjukes]

Thanks. Maybe I’m misunderstanding. My Fahrprofil 1 is comfort.

I’ve always assumed that profile 0 (the colour that is called when ignition off) was a profile in its own right. So wondered if you could see the engine, gearbox etc data for that profile 0?

[Mjukes]

It could perhaps be tied to the E-sim
And user profile system the MIB3 unit users and like you say it may not have been compatible and so they just rubbed it out.

I assume then it’s not something we are likely to find and resolve. 😞

[Cuzoe]

I had user profiles on MIB1, 2 and now 2.5 also. Problem here is the BCM, not the MIB. The user profiles are able to save a driving mode. For instance, my wife gets in the car and when she selects her user profile the car switches to comfort mode, if that's the last driving mode she was in.

The ambient light colors are then a function of the driving mode, not her profile. It's possible that differs if you are in Manual color mode. But I wouldn't bet my money on that. Just a simple bug that the color selected for "Profile 0" is not actually being called by the BCM on unlocked.

[Mjukes]

Ah. That makes sense. Well it’s been fun squashing bugs 😡 😂

[lito69]

When turning on the color changes to the mode that loads if this ambient light is automatic, in manual ambient light it will surely load the color of the customization because it will not send color associated with the profile.

Profile 0 I think is the state where it does not receive data from the profile gw, when there is no ambient light auto mode there is no profile and it is placed in the color assigned in manual mode.

You could put here the dataset that has worked, someone with gte wanted to go from gw 5q0 to 3q0 and I needed it

[Mjukes]

Is your pre-ignition colour dictated by this line

LO]_Defaultwert Ambienteprofil Farbe: 2 ?