Missing AltGraph Key and hanging ctrl after ralt

[gerhard-h]

On Windows in many languages RAlt is replaced by AltGr

1. Most programs will accept AltGr emulation by doing LCTL + LALT but some do not.

   Windows Terminal will not accept A-C-7,A-C-8, A-C-9 for keys { [ ]
   C-A-7 RA-7 will also not work
   also waiting didn't help (around alt (around ctl #(P50 7 P50)))

2. i have ralt on defsrc but after pressing it, ctrl keeps in the down state here is the log ```

Received event: Press <ctl>
Running hooks
Registering untimed hook: 28
Emitting: Press <ctl>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Received event: Press <ralt>
Running hooks
Registering untimed hook: 29
Registering untimed hook: 30
Emitting: Press <ralt>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Received event: Release <ralt>
Running hooks
Registering untimed hook: 31
Emitting: Release <ralt>

[MuhammedZakir]

Please post your config, and which versions of Windows and KMonad are you using?

1. Is this KMonad's problem? Sorry, I don't understand what you meant.

2. Are you telling that when you press ralt, you are getting Pctl Pralt Rralt instead of Tralt?

* Px = Press x, Rx = Release x, Tx = Tap x (short for Px Rx)

[gerhard-h]

Hi, Tanks for the quick reply and sorry for linking to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key but the article explains that AltGr is a different concept then RALT and the limitations of CTL+ALT as ALTGr emulation.

1. Problem { [ ] are not available in windows terminal
2. Problem ralt is emitting Pctl and Pralt on press, but only Rralt on release, this happens when I use the original RAlt button on my keyboard, when I map ralt to a non modifierbutton I also get Rctl

... maybe Kmonad tries to emulate AltGr, then an Option to not emulate it would be good

German keymap
Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise
10.0.18363 Build 18363

kmonad.exe -V
0.4.1, commit 744c044

(defcfg
  ;; For Windows
     input  (low-level-hook)
     output (send-event-sink)
  fallthrough true

  ;; Set this to false to disable any command-execution in KMonad
  allow-cmd false
)

(defalias
  num  (layer-toggle numbers) ;; Bind num to a button that switches to a layer
  sym  (layer-toggle symbols) ;; Bind num to a button that switches to a layer
  ;;fsf (tap-next-release f lsft)  ;; long release does F 
  nsf (tap-hold-next-release 140 n rsft) ;; 200 was a good timing too
  fsf (tap-hold-next-release 140 f lsft)
  dct (tap-hold-next-release 140 d lctl)
  tct (tap-hold-next-release 140 t rctl)
  lat (tap-hold-next-release 240 l alt)
  bsl A-C-[
  rcb A-C-0
  lcb (around ralt #(P30 7 P30))   ;;C-A-7 11
  rsb A-C-8
  lsb A-C-9 
  mc2 #( P50 A-tab P50 )
  mus (tap-hold-next-release 500 spc @num)
)
#|
define 	; as  grv 
	ß as  [ 
	tick  ]
        ue as ;
	+  as =
to be able to map them on de keymap

Received event: Release <`>
Running hooks
Emitting: Release <k>

bug do not put backslash on defsrc
bug ralt won't release ctrl
bug mapping lmet to a layer still triggers the corresponding lmet+l = lock screen
bug ditto wont allow enter and must be restarted
|#
(defsrc
  esc  f1   f2   f3   f4   f5   f6   f7   f8   f9   f10  f11  f12        ssrq slck pause
  grv  1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9    0    [    ]    bspc  ins  home pgup  nlck kp/  kp*  kp-
  tab  q    w    e    r    t    y    u    i    o    p    ;    =    ret   del  end  pgdn  kp7  kp8  kp9  kp+
  caps a    s    d    f    g    h    j    k    l    grv  '    /                          kp4  kp5  kp6
  lsft 102d z    x    c    v    b    n    m    ,    .    -    rsft            up         kp1  kp2  kp3  kprt
  lctl lmet lalt           spc                 ralt KeyMenu   rctl       left down rght  kp0  kp.
)

(deflayer qwerty
  _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _          _    _    _
  _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    del  _     _    _    _    _    _    _    _
  _    _    _    _    _    j    _    _    _    _    _    bspc del  _     _    _    _    _    _    _    _
  _    _    _    @dct @fsf _    _    @nsf @tct @lat k    ret  @bsl                      _    _    _
  _    @sym _    _    _    _    ralt m    ,    .    -    @lcb _                    _         _    _    _    _
  _    _    _              @mus                     ralt _    _          _    _    _    _    _
)

;; bug using caps as num eats one key in the layer definition
(deflayer numbers
  _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _          _    _    _
  _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _     _    _    _    _    _    _    _
  _    -    1    2    3    spc  esc  home up   end  _    _    _    _     _    _    _    _    _    _    _
  _    .    4    5    6    0    tab  left down rght _    _    _                         _    _    _
  _    _    ,    7    8    9    1    ret  bspc del  ret  _    _               _         _    _    _    _
  _    _    _              _                        _    _    _          _    _    _    _    _
)
(deflayer symbols
  _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _          _    _    _
  _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _     _    _    _    _    _    _    _
  _    _    _    @lcb @rcb _    _    _    @bsl  _    _    _    _    _     _    _    _    _    _    _    _
  _    _    _    @lsb @rsb _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _                         _    _    _
  _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _               _         _    _    _    _
  _    _    _              _                        _    _    _          _    _    _    _    _
)
#|
(deflayer name
  _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _          _    _    _
  _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _     _    _    _    _    _    _    _
  _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _     _    _    _    _    _    _    _
  _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _                         _    _    _
  _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _    _               _         _    _    _    _
  _    _    _              _                        _    _    _          _    _    _    _    _
)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
|#

[gerhard-h]

workaround for windows terminal: Open Settings > Actions and delete the crtl+alt+7,... keybindings

bonus workaround for visual studio: run Kmonad as admin

may be this should be mentioned in the faq?

[slotThe]

bonus workaround for visual studio: run Kmonad as admin

Definitely see #426

may be this should be mentioned in the faq?

Sure, contributions welcome!

[gerhard-h]

The problem that AltGr presses and won't release lctl still persists, but I found a workaround:
map ralt to an alias #( lctl C-lalt )

[Diablo-D3]

It seems you really want around(lctrl C-lalt)

[gerhard-h]

(around lctrl C-lalt) indeed looks better as an ralt replacement. #( lctl @layer) would still be the syntax for mapping ralt to somthing else.
(meanwhile kanata has a config options windows-altgr cancel-lctl-press for remapping and windows-altgr add-lctl-release for using ralt)

[okutavio]

Perhaps someone can explain. In Windows, using US English International keyboard, AltGr+e = é. You might also use Alt+Ctrl. However, in Microsoft Word, Wordpad and notepad, you need to use AltGr to get é. Otherwise, using Alt+Ctrl, you get €. (btw, adding shift does work either way for É) Supprisingly enough, you get é elsewere, such as LibreOffice, and even Excel and Powerpoint

My issue is that using ralt also outputs € instead of é for notepad and Word (É works). I wonder what's actually inside that AltGr key or why ralt is no actual replacement. Any suggestions?

In Word (no where else), Ctrl+apostrophe works as a deadkey. (notepad is still an issue)
And, just for the record, again, in Word only, Ctrl+Alt (or ralt) + other vowels might be shortcuts