Not working with Thunderbird 115.0b4

[michalwoz]

Hi,

May I ask to check if there is significant change that prevent from working with 115.0b4?

[lkosson]

Hi. It seems Mozilla has completely redesigned (yet again) internals of message pane in Thunderbird 114, along with some other hideous UI changes. If those changes make it to ESR/release channel, the addon will be officially dead.

[lkosson]

Issues to track:

https://phabricator.services.mozilla.com/D179632
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1817682
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1615801

Discussions:
https://thunderbird.topicbox.com/groups/addons/Te5f62259df8c0c74
https://thunderbird.topicbox.com/groups/addons/T3c6ef3b787f59129

[Uj947nXmRqV2nRaWshKtHzTvckUUpD]

not working on stable 115.0
any alternative or can it be fixed?

[lkosson]

No workarounds or alternatives at this point. I don't think it's possible to reliably add custom columns until https://phabricator.services.mozilla.com/D179632 gets merged.

[lsr1]

The fact that an EMAIL client has no possibility to display the sender EMAIL address (w/o a third party tool) is so infuriating.

I wonder who makes those decisions.

[Uj947nXmRqV2nRaWshKtHzTvckUUpD]

The fact that an EMAIL client has no possibility to display the sender EMAIL address (w/o a third party tool) is so infuriating.

I wonder who makes those decisions.

ya don't worry. that email that you got from coinbase urging you to send all your crypto to that address is legit, because the name says so ! fkn dumb mozilla

[lones]

Very sorry to see this is no longer possible. To see the email address of the sender is essential.

[gss0]

https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/new-column-for-e-mail-adress-of-sender/idi-p/38300

[olfMombach]

The fact that an EMAIL client has no possibility to display the sender EMAIL address (w/o a third party tool) is so infuriating.

I wonder who makes those decisions.

I know right? And how come so few people are talking about this? Also I can't wrap my head around how this decision was taken in the design process. It's such a vital part for visually scanning mails for malicous intent, I'd regard it as an essential security feature. Makes me wonder if someone on the board came from a spammail provider.

[shalak]

From what I understand on 2023-09-16 John Bieling picked this task to be fixed, so there's hope what this will be fixed soon, right? Right?

[benintech]

Nothing new to add, I'm just another unhappy TB user here, missing the ability to see the sender's email address. I switched back to a previous version of TB, with full address column extension, until this feature works again one way or another in TB115+. I hope with all those unhappy TB users something will be done about it.

[ghost]

Temporary solution:
Downgrade to 102 version
https://www.companionlink.com/support/kb/How_to_downgrade_ThunderBird_Supernova_115_to_Regular_Thunderbird_102_Email

[dracken]

Temporary solution: Downgrade to 102 version https://www.companionlink.com/support/kb/How_to_downgrade_ThunderBird_Supernova_115_to_Regular_Thunderbird_102_Email

Can confirm following the steps in this link to revert back to v102 does work and will allow usage of incompatible plugins with v115.

[lkosson]

Also worth tracking:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=243258

[jeppe-at-acapire-se]

Ping! Just to make sure this isn't forgotten.

[olfMombach]

Ping! Just to make sure this isn't forgotten.

Why would they forget about it? They were literally killed off completely by Mozilla's TB Update

[GoldMath]

It's still beyond me that mail clients don't have that native, it's the best against phishing attacks as you can quickly check source instead of these fake names... I'm really looking for an alternative now; thanks for your work sadly shutdown.

[Uj947nXmRqV2nRaWshKtHzTvckUUpD]

As a workaround, I enabled sender full address in the message (right) pane as well as all the extra headers. See my settings below on Thunderbird v115.6:

This helps me identify spoofed sender addresses and also to identify to which of my aliases they sent by quickly scrolling a bit down.

Eg. these guys are impersonating Coinbase and are hiding the to address:

Look for Received and X-Apparently-To headers. Eg.:

From - Thu Nov 02 19:59:36 2023
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
X-Mozilla-Keys:                                                                                 
Received: from 127.0.0.1
 by atlas-production.v2-mail-prod1-bf1.omega.yahoo.com pod-id atlas--production-bf1-5466855f66-4c7zp.bf1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 2 Nov 2023 11:00:31 +0000
Return-Path: <signsecpp@t-online.de>
X-Originating-Ip: [194.25.134.21]
Received-SPF: pass (domain of t-online.de designates 194.25.134.21 as permitted sender)
Authentication-Results: atlas-production.v2-mail-prod1-bf1.omega.yahoo.com;
 dkim=unknown;
 spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=t-online.de;
 dmarc=unknown header.from=t-online.de;
X-Apparently-To: my_email@yahoo.com; Thu, 2 Nov 2023 11:00:32 +0000
X-YMailISG: <redacted>
Received: from 194.25.134.21 (EHLO mailout10.t-online.de)
 by 10.197.39.167 with SMTPs
 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256);
 Thu, 02 Nov 2023 11:00:31 +0000
Received: from fwd80.aul.t-online.de (fwd80.aul.t-online.de [10.223.144.106])
	by mailout10.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 56323432D4;
	Thu,  2 Nov 2023 12:00:08 +0100 (CET)
Received: from spica14.mgt.mul.t-online.de ([172.20.102.121]) by fwd80.aul.t-online.de
	with esmtp id 1qyVQV-3IBMY40; Thu, 2 Nov 2023 12:00:00 +0100
Received: from 172.86.100.180:48442 by cmpweb03.aul.t-online.de with HTTP/1.1 (Lisa V7-6-7-2.0 on API V5-53-2-0); Thu, 02 Nov 23 11:59:51 +0100
Received: from 172.20.102.129:11468 by spica14.mgt.mul.t-online.de:8080; Thu, 2 Nov 2023 11:59:51 +0100 (CET)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 11:59:51 +0100 (CET)
From: Coinbase <signsecpp@t-online.de>
Sender: Coinbase <signsecpp@t-online.de>
Reply-To: Coinbase <signsecpp@t-online.de>
To: "verifyacct@coinbasesupport.com" <verifyacct@coinbasesupport.com>
Message-ID: <1698922791404.2519176.60f84ccd77dfea669f6a24cb14646e595e526259@spica.telekom.de>
Subject: Reminder: Verify Your Recent Transactions
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
	boundary="----=_Part_3068892_1500834053.1698922791544"
X-UMS: email
X-TOI-EXPURGATEID: 150726::1698922800-597F5ED2-54397B3D/10/25641583394 SUSPECT URL
X-TOI-MSGID: 271cba03-5db1-437e-9bd4-eb4f3d98512e

[lkosson]

Good news, everyone! Thanks to the new API included in this daily build, the add-on is working again. I'll upload the updated version as soon as new TB version is released.

[Zwiebelring2000]

Is there a release date?

[lkosson]

No idea.

[CEWebDesign]

Next Thunderbird release 115.7 should be January 23 2024:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases
"Thunderbird approximately (i.e. not strictly) follows the ESR schedule listed there."
https://whattrainisitnow.com/calendar/ (Matching ESR)

[lkosson]

Required changes have not been merged into neither Daily nor Beta Thunderbird. I don't expect them to be included in a proper release any time soon.

[aspx1981]

Hello, sorry I don't understand, I updated Thunderbird, now how can I install the new version with the new API ?
Thanks

[lkosson]

You can't. It's not yet released.

[ivan-paleo]

So it won't work with the newly released 115.7.0?

[lkosson]

No, it won't.

[Martin511]

Maybe it will work with the new 115.8.0?
"Asking for a friend"

[lkosson]

No idea. As far as I can tell, we're currently waiting for this issue and this changeset.

[doodhout]

One of the latest comments in the linked issue states the following:

Once it reached beta on the 19th, add-on developers can adjust their add-ons and test custom column support for their add-ons for Thunderbird Beta.

That means you should be able to test this add-on in the Thunderbird Beta starting from 2024-02-19.

If I find a quick way to install TB Beta alongside TB Stable on my linux installation, I might test this myself and report back.

[lkosson]

I currently have side-by-side versions 102.15.1 (prev release), 115.8.0 (release), 124.0b1 (beta from 2024-02-19) and 125.0a1 (daily from 2024-02-22). None of those versions have this API available. The only version with support for custom columns was the one I've linked to in comment from 2023-12-23.

[Martin511]

👉🏻 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1615801#c19

[Martin511]

Are there any news on this?

[lkosson]

Nope. Just some activity here yesterday.

[MilesTeg81]

As a workaround, I enabled sender full address in the message (right) pane as well as all the extra headers. See my settings below on Thunderbird v115.6:

This helps me identify spoofed sender addresses and also to identify to which of my aliases they sent by quickly scrolling a bit down.

[...]

wow, I completely missed this setting! thx a lot!!

This (combined with DKIM verifier) already makes a huge difference! (Though I still can't wait for a working column option...)

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btw. Apart from the mentioned bugzilla, it's still possible to VOTE here:

• https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/new-column-for-e-mail-address-of-sender/idi-p/38300
• https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/apply-the-betterbird-patches-to-mozilla-thunderbird/idi-p/32404

I know, current state: "we are nearly there". But that was also the case 20 years ago... :/

[Uj947nXmRqV2nRaWshKtHzTvckUUpD]

As a workaround, I enabled sender full address in the message (right) pane as well as all the extra headers. See my settings below on Thunderbird v115.6:
This helps me identify spoofed sender addresses and also to identify to which of my aliases they sent by quickly scrolling a bit down.

[...]

wow, I completely missed this setting! thx a lot!!

This (combined with DKIM verifier) already makes a huge difference! (Though I still can't wait for a working column option...)

btw. Apart from the mentioned bugzilla, it's still possible to VOTE here:

• https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/new-column-for-e-mail-address-of-sender/idi-p/38300
• https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/apply-the-betterbird-patches-to-mozilla-thunderbird/idi-p/32404

I know, current state: "we are nearly there". But that was also the case 20 years ago... :/

Thank also for sharing the DKIM verifier addon. It's really useful.

[pstein]

As a workaround, I enabled sender full address in the message (right) pane as well as all the extra headers. See my settings below on Thunderbird v115.6:
This helps me identify spoofed sender addresses and also to identify to which of my aliases they sent by quickly scrolling a bit down.

Cannot view your screenshot since it seems to be private.
Can you add it here publicly?
Where can I add this option?

[Uj947nXmRqV2nRaWshKtHzTvckUUpD]

As a workaround, I enabled sender full address in the message (right) pane as well as all the extra headers. See my settings below on Thunderbird v115.6:
This helps me identify spoofed sender addresses and also to identify to which of my aliases they sent by quickly scrolling a bit down.

Cannot view your screenshot since it seems to be private. Can you add it here publicly? Where can I add this option?

scroll up to my post, it should be visible

[lkosson]

As of Thunderbird 115.10.0, internal API to manipulate columns is available (details here). However, public API (available to normal add-ons) is still missing and - as per recent comment - there even is no roadmap to release it.

I have published new version of Full Address Column - it's awaiting a review and should be available soon. It works with Thunderbird 115.10.0, but uses experimental API. This means the add-on is unrestricted and requires full permissions. Decide on your own if you trust it.

Also, on Thunderbird Daily (127, 2024-05-02) there is now native option to see raw Email in Correspondents/Sender/Recipient column.

New version (1.1.0) does not work with Thunderbird 102 - if you still use it, stay on version 1.0.4 from last year.

[Uj947nXmRqV2nRaWshKtHzTvckUUpD]

where can we test v1.1.0 and any rough idea how long should we wait for the change (v115 -> v127) ?

[lkosson]

It is still awaiting a review at https://addons.thunderbird.net/ - usually it takes between a few minutes and a few days.

I can't upload .zip or .xpi to github - if you wish to install the add-on manually, zip all the files in src directory, change the extension to .xpi and use "Install add-on from file" in TB.

[Martin511]

This is working so far - thank you for updating!
In my case the function to sort the column @sender does not work. Ist this bug known?

[lkosson]

I have just fixed sorting - version 1.1.2 awaits review.