[MU4 Issue] Trills, tremolos and rolls do not last for whole length of tied notes

[Tem3dy]

Describe the bug
Timpani rolls in MuseSounds only last for 4 beats, if a roll longer than that is written, the sound stops playing (it seems they cannot play longer than a single measure)

To Reproduce

1. Make a new score
2. Make a long timpani roll (longer than 4 beats in 4/4)
3. The sound will stop playing after the first measure

Platform information

• Windows 10

[cbjeukendrup]

This turns out to be a lot more general:

• it not only affects Muse Sounds Timpani, but all other instruments too, and MS Basic too
• it applies not only to rolls, but also trills and tremolos
• it is caused by ties; the second and subsequent notes in a tie chain where such an articulation is applied do not produce any sound.

[Tantacrul]

I would love to see this tackled in 4.2. It's really very bad.

[zacjansheski]

I believe this is no longer an issue, can we close this?

TimpTremTrill.mscz.zip

[zacjansheski]

Closing, no response

[MarcSabatella]

I can confirm it works in that file, but not in others. Maybe it's unpitched vs pitched, since for timpani that trill is really just a tremolo ("just a tremolo, and everywhere I go...")? But for instance, it fails in a simple case of two whole notes tied and trilled for flute:

trill-tie.zip

Playback just stops after the first four beats.

[Tantacrul]

Is there an issue for tremolo on timpani @MarcSabatella? Is it a constant problem for that instrument? I have a feeling that can be fixed quite quickly. (Not at my machine right now to check myself)

[MarcSabatella]

For me timpani tremolo works fine currently. It's regular pitched trills that still don't play correctly for tied notes in MU4. As noted by @cbjeukendrup above, this was true in the beta for MS Basic as well as Muse Sounds, and remains true in 4.1.1 for both MS Basic and Muse Sounds.

[Tantacrul]

OK, then we need to reopen this issue then? @zacjansheski ?

The tied trill issue would be really great to fix.

[zacjansheski]

The trill in Marc's score does play both bars when the trill is not on the last bar ( in issue #17646 )

2023-08-02.10-31-57.mp4

[MarcSabatella]

Wow, that's interesting - but it's not the whole story either. I can still reproduce this problem in other scores where it's not the last bar. For instance, this one -
trill-tie-2.zip. So I'm not sure what exactly triggers it, but yeah, works sometimes, doesn't work other times.

[Tantacrul]

@zacjansheski - I'll leave it with you. If you think this bug is covered elsewhere, then I guess we can re-close this issue... or if Marc's most recent example warrants keeping it open, then do what you need!

[zacjansheski]

That last example is an issue when using MS Basic only. It is covered in this issue #18676
Let's close this one and refer to that one.

[MarcSabatella]

Confirmed, my previous example where it isn't the last bar fails with MS Basic only - and only for ties of more than two bars, ads the last bar of the tie always plays (I'll add that info to #18676). But both MS Basic and Muse Sounds have issues with trills extending to the last bar of the score. So likely two different underlying issues, and both covered elsewhere. What a strange bug!