Experimental reward units

[LaughtersGrave]

Hello
Is there a list of experimental units as rewards for brilliant Victories?

I'm getting the same unit for maadi after map for a while then it changes.

I'd really like to see the list of the is one.

Cheers and thanks.

It might just be luck and not an issue so I'll check it if you can post the list.

[salexgit]

Hi

I think it is just a "luck" that you get the same unit. Unless there is a weird flaw in the random number generator, you should be getting different units. You can experiment by having a saved game right before capturing the last victory hex.

[LaughtersGrave]

I've tried that and found I got some different stuff with some items coming up more often than others.

Is there a list of these reward units?

[salexgit]

Hi

I do not know details of how the game engine selects the reward unit. I got an impression that it simply compiles a list of "experimental units", i.e. the ones which you cannot buy yet, and then chooses randomly the one from the list.

[LaughtersGrave]

There must be serval lists because it changes by year.

Do you know where these lists are? Can you screen shot maybe?

[salexgit]

Hi

The list is not hard coded but is rather compiled dynamically depending on the year when the scenario ends.

[LaughtersGrave]

Ok cool, let's work with that, can you tell me what's on it? I mean that's got to be interesting.

[salexgit]

Hi

I am not sure I got the question.... Without having looked at the actual code, my understanding is that once a scenario ends with a brilliant victory, the game engine compiles a list with "experimental" units (i.e. all the units of a particular nation that you cannot buy yet) and picks randomly a unit from that list.

[LaughtersGrave]

It isn't quite that, because the list definitely changes.

So far I've been through three distinct lists.

I imagine each year has its own list of experimental units, so I'm theory there are 6 lists.

What I'm asking, is can you find these lists and the units on them? It must be referencing a unit file somewhere so if there is a code for it then you'd just have to screen shot the code.

[salexgit]

Hi

The best I can do (at the moment) is to share the internal JSON file that contains all the German units. There are fields determining year/month when a unit becomes available and when it expires. So the game engine uses this equipment file to compile dynamically a list of reward units depending on when you have a brilliant victory.

equipment-country-8.zip

[LaughtersGrave]

Thank you.

There are definitely experimental units that you can never buy though, certain recon units come to mind, Italian units (i) it's not important of course but it's just very very helpful. Particularly when it can be referenced.

Thanks again

[LaughtersGrave]

Ok So I'm in 43 in the Das Reich campaign, there are only 2 missions in 42

And one of the weird units you get in 43 ties in with what we were talking about in regards to flak weapons.

I tested it and it CANNOT attack ground units

[salexgit]

Hi

I am not sure what the issue. The fact the 12.8 Flak 40 cannot attack ground units was discussed in #147, where I indicated that the game engine and the equipment files have to be polished because not all the Flak units are modelled internally as "flak". That problem has nothing to do with the fact that the same unit can be provided as a reward :)

[nicupavel]

The prototype award "algorithm" is quite simple:

1. a list of units is generated that contain units from classes that can be purchased by player (no forts, naval units etc)
2. units must have available date between 1 and 11 months from the date of the next scenario (not the one just won)
3. units must cost more than 200 prestige
4. a random unit is returned to player.

Original PG2 followed the same logic except that it had a chance between 30% - 100% to award a prototype unit. Open Panzer always award prototype on brilliant victory.

[LaughtersGrave]

@salexgit

... There is no issue and yes, it is related to 147, I just thought you'd want to see, that's all. Just thought you'd be interested.

[LaughtersGrave]

@nicupavel
OK Thank you muchly

[LaughtersGrave]

Question... Why is the 12.8 flak 40 AD only available after 43? They were built in 1940

[salexgit]

Hi

According to the following link, 12.8 Flak 40 were in service 1942-1945. So you are partially right that the equipment file is not correct.

[LaughtersGrave]

I don't see the link but I checked my reverence book and you're right, they only started production in 1940 but no units were completed until 42, there were 6 mobile 12.8 flak 40 produced in the whole war.

[salexgit]

Hi

It seems I forgot to post the link, here it is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12.8_cm_FlaK_40

Did you source mention how the mobile units were designed? I only heard about rail cars for 12.8 Flak 40 due to its large weight.

[LaughtersGrave]

These are the same flak that was mounted on the flak towers in Berlin in twin flakzweiling mounts when the 50cm took so long to develop they abandoned it and decided on two 12.8 instead, famously they're said to have "blasted Russian tanks to dust, especially when they were hitting the side".

[LaughtersGrave]

Unfortunately the book doesn't say, it just said that 6 mobile units were made. I'll see if I can find some more information for you.

[LaughtersGrave]

[salexgit]

Hi

Ok, both Wikipedia and your book mentions the railway mount and rail cars, so I suppose that is how the mobille 12.8 Flak 40 was designed. As discussed in separate threads, the game engine does not support railways, so 12.8 Flak 40 should be either static in our game (makes sense) or we fake its mobility with some heavy truck (as per the latest 2.9.9 version).

[LaughtersGrave]

Railway mounts are static mounts.

For the mobile version in game just limit it to the biggest half track.