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Ligatures aren't used if language is set to German in LibreOffice #23

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ya-d opened this issue Oct 30, 2018 · 5 comments
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Ligatures aren't used if language is set to German in LibreOffice #23

ya-d opened this issue Oct 30, 2018 · 5 comments

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@ya-d
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ya-d commented Oct 30, 2018

As reported in #10 no ligatures are used in LibreOffice (tested for 5.1, 5.4, 6.1) for upright styles of EBGaramond12 if the language of the paragraph is set to German. Thanks to @rmheider for figuring that out.

To reproduce type some text in LO where ligatures should (or do) appear. Than select it and switch language (Extras > Language > For Selection) between German and English or something else.

standard ligatures missing in lo

@ousia
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ousia commented May 19, 2019

@ya-d, it seems that German has a localized form of f.

This prevents the use of ligatures with f in German (f.DEU is the substituted glyph).

@octaviopardo, is this intended or is it a side-effect?

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octaviopardo commented May 30, 2019 via email

@rmheider
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So, is there a chance this will be fixed?

@octaviopardo
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Hi Guys
At this point, I am drowning with work which makes it impossible for me to jump back into this project :(. Apologies for the issues you are finding out.

I promise to address them whenever I have some free time in my agenda

@LiberalArtist
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In @georgd's original specimen, §2.1 (Locals) says that:

German prevents f-ligatures that are usually not allowed like fb, fh, fj, ffb, etc. because they would only occur at “Wortfugen”: Laufband, aufjagen, Sauerstoffflasche, …
In general it has to be noted that in German typography, ligatures are a complex matter, tied to the language’s morphology. There’s no way to apply them automatically without manual intervention. Efforts have been made to alleviate this task, like Mico Loretan’s selnolig1 for LuaLaTeX. Still, if in doubt, better leave the ligatures away!

So it sounds like this behavior is intentional.

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