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Provenance from multiple versions #8

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ijiraq opened this issue Oct 23, 2019 · 2 comments
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Provenance from multiple versions #8

ijiraq opened this issue Oct 23, 2019 · 2 comments

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ijiraq commented Oct 23, 2019

This sort of relates to Issue opencadc/caom2#66 and the question of cardinality.

Planes are often produced from an ensemble of software, not a single application. In the case of ALMA MS data, in particular, we have MS data that is calibrated using CASA XXX and then split using CASA YYY. The provenance of CASA YYY would tell you that you should use YYY to open these files (MS is not a standard format) but the CASA XXX part is needed to tell you what the calibration system was. In particular CASA XXX is what tells you about calibration trust while CASA YYY part is more about data form. How (if at all) should this be expressed in the provenance?

@pdowler pdowler added the enhancement New feature or request label Nov 28, 2019
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pdowler commented Nov 28, 2019

This is an issue that goes beyond the use cases and requirements that have driven CAOM development so far. The IVOA Provenance DM does cover this kind of use case, where multiple activities and entities connect an input (entity) to an output (entity).

We can do an analysis of CAOM vs Provenance DM and figure out if there is something useful we can use and whether that would entail a minor or major version.

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pdowler commented May 24, 2024

There is work in the IVOA to formalise "one-step" or "last-step" provenance and the provenance used here toc onnect a Plane to it's inputs is definitely "last-step" provenance.

The issue here is really that this happened:

idealised : entity1 > activity1 > entity2 > activity2 > entity3

but since entity2 was not stored/kept, it's more like

actual: entity1 > {actrivity1,activity2} > entity3

so there is this composite activity; A composite activity (bunch of s/w bundled and executed together) is what people actually do (vs an idealised provenance sequence).

So, does "last-step provenance" have to capture the details of that composite activity? The reason for only having the last step is that it is simple and I'm not at all certain we can/should model a composite activity there. Pretty sure that's a bad idea.

@pdowler pdowler removed the enhancement New feature or request label May 24, 2024
@pdowler pdowler transferred this issue from opencadc/caom2 Jul 5, 2024
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