Availability on F-Droid

[LearningAsIGo71]

I am very grateful SMT apps have been forked by a committed developer. Hopefully you get the financial support and technical assistance you need to continue the success of the previous project. On another note, is there an ETA as to when the FossifyX apps will be added to F-Droid?

[RustoMCSpit]

also would like to add that compiled .apks being posted in releases are necessary for obtainium

[RustoMCSpit]

financial support

you could do a 'donate for issue priority' scheme where issues donated to get put first in queue and you could show this in the milestones. this is a win-win situation in my eyes as long as the issues are within scope

[naveensingh]

I would also add the pro versions, but without any locking features in normal versions, just for donations and flexing

@inson1 The problem with that is poor ratings and reviews. The (uninitiated) users usually expect some additional feature or service when they choose a "pro" version over a free version. Of course, we can try to put that in the description but, speaking from my experience on Google Play, many people don't read the store descriptions. A lot of them don't even check all the screenshots. An unhappy paid-app user is a lot more likely to leave a 1-star review than a happy free-app user leaving a 5-star review.

Also, just to clarify, GPL doesn't prevent anyone from selling a binary or binaries compiled using the source code.

[DwainZwerg]

„The donation dialog (already exists IIRC) might show up from time to time.“ I would like to suggest that you can hide the donation banners in some form if someone makes a monthly (?yearly?) donation. This could probably be a pro-version (but please not only via the Play Store (maybe also the Amazon Store?)) The Wikipedia donation banners can also be annoying ...

[RustoMCSpit]

https://openpledge.io
any thoughts on this project for funding?

[Ponytronics]

Seems well intentioned. The only thing that might put people off using it to support FOSS projects is if they are already committed to supporting individual projects or other umbrella support groups. Example would be I support F-Droid via Open Source Collective and Fossify directly. Open Pledge might be good for people who realize they'd like to support FOSS but aren't exactly sure how to go about it.

[dp35654]

When they didn't have a pro version which I believe the dialer wasn't and maybe the recorder I purchased a small Thank you & when I saw that pro was available on Reddit I believe I purchased 1.99 life time pro version & I'm below the USA Federal Poverty Level & I made sure that I bought the pro version if available and this was before the babies crying about that they had a trial and were expected to buy the pro version & though I can't afford subscriptions for streaming services and such I will buy a cup of coffee and I see PayPal is the only option and I don't like using it I will anyway if it helps in some small way like a couple of boxes of printer paper😂 I'll take care of it tomarrow I defiantly hate the banner idea and would prefer to do a Thank you before being asked

[inson1]

yes, they are going to be added to f-droid
#7

[naveensingh]

Can't provide ETA yet but yes, they'll be added to Fdroid.

[carnager]

I have a question about f-droid builds. Simple Mobile Tools versions in play store and f-droid were quite different tools. E.g. the gallery pro app in play store has a really nice editor, while the apk from f-droid only has a very basic one.
Was gallery dual-licensed or is the advanced editor also available as gpl code?

Because if it is it would be nice to have that version in f-droid.

[naveensingh]

@carnager Gallery Pro from Google Play uses a paid editor SDK (https://github.com/imgly). The SDK is not FOSS so we can't release that version on Fdroid.

If the pro versions on the Google Play Store stay pro versions (i.e. paid), it should be possible to keep using that paid SDK to provide those advanced features at least on Google Play but If I release all apps as free on the Play Store (see the project name), I probably won't keep that feature as the SDK license won't be cheap. We'll see.

[inson1]

@naveensingh I would be for switching from that in future anyway tbh, but yea that doesnt have the highest priority and would be better to leave it, if they would give us good price

[12people]

@naveensingh @inson1 Per the GNU GPL, proprietary SDKs cannot be combined with GPL code in the same project. Either way, this proprietary library will have to be removed so that the project stops violating the GPL.

[naveensingh]

@12people good :)

Maybe in the future, we'll try to design our own editor.

[inson1]

@12people in that case FossifyOrg/Gallery#5

[12people]

@inson1 Thanks for the link! Now the conversation has moved to a discussion: FossifyOrg/Gallery#6 . (And I stand by my statement above.)

[DominicDesbiens]

I rarely comment on projects on Github. But I just wanted to thank you for creating an SMT fork. I use a few apps from this project and it's very bad news to have learned of its takeover.

Hope the new forked project will continue...!

[inson1]

naveensingh said it should be all done hopefuly in 2-3 weeks

[muxina-credo]

I'll support you. It would be great if you could maintain this project with a fair support for your work!

[MrCamel999]

As of December 30th, 2023, it seems that Fossify Gallery is on F-Droid. Awesome job y'all!

[PatchMixolydic]

It doesn't seem to be in the official repo yet, but it is in IzzyOnDroid's repo.

[inson1]

interesting

[inson1]

in izzyondroid ok, so no f-droid (but yes, its f-droid repository, i get it, but there is big difference)

[MrCamel999]

Ah, that explains it then lol. Well at least it's in izzyondroid's repo, that's pretty awesome!

[KaKi87]

That's fine with me, I'm waiting for the other apps to be available there though. ^^

[Pentaphon]

Now on Izzydroid: https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/index/apk/org.fossify.gallery

[Mr-Bajs]

⇒ This app includes libraries of the proprietary Google VR SDK.

So what is this?
Pretty odd for an app called Fossify (impling that it's Free and Open Source having proprietery libraries? It this an bug or introduced in Fossify, don't think i remeber this was in Simple Gallery?

Edit: I the saw answer in the thread.

[inson1]

@Mr-Bajs Includes? It was deleted 🤔

Edit oh okay it wasnt

[Mr-Bajs]

https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/index/apk/org.fossify.gallery

[PatchMixolydic]

FossifyOrg/Gallery#36 has more information about this.

[inson1]

@Mr-Bajs deleted now, it was even in smt gallery

[naveensingh]

It looks like the Gallery is available on Fdroid now:

It won't show up if you search on the website yet.

[Ponytronics]

Wonderful, thank you, Naveen. That's the first of the Simple apps on my phone replaced with a Fossify one 😊🙏 Super stoked. Thank you for your efforts in bringing this to fruition. My monthly, if small, support is assured ✅

[marek22k]

It still seems that it is "just" IzzyOnDroid's repo.
Fake News! (See comments)

[Aga-C]

Just update your local F-Droid repository on your phone.

[naveensingh]

Look:

[ecspresso]

Also via a browser: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.fossify.gallery/

[licaon-kter]

@marek22k https://gitlab.com/fdroid/wiki/-/wikis/FAQ#how-long-does-it-take-for-my-app-to-show-up-on-website-and-client

Please also note that the website is updated asynchronously – so while the index might already have reached your local client, website might still be a bit behind.

[nehemiagurl]

got a shoutout in the first TWIF of the year:
https://f-droid.org/2024/01/04/twif.html

[Ponytronics]

Congratulations to everyone who worked hard to make this happen! I for one am super appreciative that the Simple Mobile Tools dream is living on as Fossify apps. Love the color change as well :)

[RustoMCSpit]

TWIF

whats that stand for

[nehemiagurl]

@RustoMCSpit "this week in F-Droid"

[jherazob]

Gallery works! I did get bitten by the "launcher has trouble with customized icons" thing, had to manually remove everything theme-related from my Simple Gallery options backup file or i ran into issues, would have been good to have an "import everything from the backup except for icons" option, but now it's running nice and green. Looking forward to the others hitting FDroid! :)

[73CC]

When will the calendar be available in F-Droid?

[inson1]

@73CC
few hours/day/days? it was merged 2 days ago and now its buiding

1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Fossify/comments/19195gd/comment/kgyk8qb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
2. https://gitlab.com/fdroid/wiki/-/wikis/FAQ#how-long-does-it-take-for-my-app-to-show-up-on-website-and-client
3. https://gitlab.com/fdroid/rfp/-/issues/2618

btw its already on izzydroid

[KaKi87]

Tracking Fossify apps availability :

App \ Availability	GitHub releases	IzzyOnDroid	F-Droid
App Launcher	❌	❌	❌
Calculator	❌	❌	❌
Calendar	✅	✅	✅
Camera	❌	❌	❌
Clock	✅	✅	✅
Contacts	✅	✅	✅
Dialer (Phone)	✅	✅	✅
Draw	❌	❌	❌
File Manager	✅	✅	✅
Flashlight	❌	❌	❌
Gallery	✅	✅	✅
Keyboard	❌	❌	❌
Launcher	❌	❌	❌
Music Player	✅	✅	✅
Notes	✅	❌	❌
SMS Messenger (Messages)	✅	✅	✅
Voice Recorder	✅	✅	✅

I added all URLs to my changedetection instance in order to be notified as soon as releases occur.

[KaKi87]

Update : Clock has been released on IzzyOnDroid. 🎉

[KaKi87]

Update : Clock was just released on F-Droid. 🎉

[KaKi87]

Update : Notes was just released on IzzyOnDroid. 🎉

[KaKi87]

Update : Notes was released on F-Droid. 🎉

[Ponytronics]

The Notes app freaked me out, at first, but then I realized how intuitive and awesome it is.

[DominicDesbiens]

Update : Phone/Dialer was just released on GitHub. 🎉

Seriously i'm so glad that this forked project has come. All that's missing now is the SMS application and I'll have all the apps I've been using. Thank you !!!

[MrCamel999]

Does anyone know why the new Contacts and Phone apps aren't available via the IzzyOnDroid repository?

[Sytten]

Someone needs to do a MR on the fdroid repo and then it takes 72h to get in I think? @naveensingh

[Aga-C]

They will be added soon: FossifyOrg/Phone#43 (comment).

[naveensingh]

@Sytten Yes, 3 days if we are lucky. 6 if we are not. More if the universe wants to punish us.

[Aryan-Chauhan]

Please release Fossify Messages next (not asking for ETA).

Thanks!

[Aga-C]

It will be released as the next one.

[DominicDesbiens]

+1 on this one. This is the last one that missing to complete the list of apps I had with Simple Mobile Tools. Great news that it will be released soon 🙂🙏

[Ponytronics]

I still have three orange apps on my phone: Calculator, Music Player and Voice Recorder but I'm a patient guy. I can look at those three orange icons and think, "Soon you will be green, my friends, soon!" 😇🙏

[naveensingh]

@Aryan-Chauhan done!

[naveensingh]

Fossify SMS Messenger was just released on GitHub: https://github.com/FossifyOrg/Messages/releases/tag/1.0.0

Let me know if you guys find any issues with it, thanks!

[IzzySoft]

Cool, no signing blob. Just wondering so I can put the reason on the allow-list: READ_PHONE_STATE, WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE and then implied from the latter READ_INTERNAL_STORAGE? I'm sure they're justified, but I'd need to put the reason along 😉

[DominicDesbiens]

I've been waiting for this one! So many thanks !!!

[IzzySoft]

Oof, just in time. 5 minutes more and I had crossed my own updater.

Ready now, goes live in about half an hour in my repo. Good timing!

[naveensingh]

READ_PHONE_STATE: This is used for things like subscription info (SIM cards).
WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE: Like the Phone app, this was added to export blocked numbers on pre-Q devices. I'll check and replace it with SAF if it isn't being used for anything else.

[IzzySoft]

Thanks! Added READ_PHONE_STATE to the allow-list, leaving the storage ones out, making myself a note to ignore it for a while but maybe ask for it again should it still be present in a month or two when an update comes in.

Meanwhile: Be welcome to pick a badge to add for the README, the app is live now in my repo 😃

[igor-cali]

@naveensingh Can Voice Recorder be released next, or just share a priority list?
I'm not pushing; just asking because it is the only remaining Simple app (besides ThankYou) to replace in my phone. :)

I think the Fossify ThankYou app would not be necessary if I install the app of this suite from F-Droid. Is this right?

[Sytten]

Personally I am waiting on notes, clock and calculator. We all have to be patient and sponsor the good work 😍

[naveensingh]

@Sytten Clock and Notes are next :)

[rjakubo]

Hi, thanks that lot of Apps are already available on F-Droid. Do you have any timeline for the rest? Personally I am waiting for Launcher and Notes. In particular the Launcher is essential for me to replace the standard Google Launcher. Best regards, Robert

[naveensingh]

Hi! I don't have a timeline but I'll be working full-time until all of them are released. I hope to release Notes by the weekend.

[rjakubo]

Thanks for the quick reply. Good succeed :-)

[atikattar1104]

Hi. Thank You So Much Naveen, For Keeping The Legacy Of Open Source Common Apps, Using This Project. I Saw The Entire Scene Of Simple Mobile Tools Bought By Some App Company, This Type Of Behaviour For Open Source Software Is Harmful For Entire Open Source Community. Thankfully, You Saved Us From Such Thing, By Creating This Fork. Best Wishes To You Man!👍

P.S. :- Keeping This Comment To Get Latest Updates On Which Apps Are Released On F-Droid😅. Looking Forward To Have All Fossify Apps On F-Droid Listing.

Thanks!

[naveensingh]

Fossify Clock has just been released on Github: https://github.com/FossifyOrg/Clock/releases/tag/1.0.0

@IzzySoft ping :)

[atikattar1104]

Also I Think That It May Be Necessary For This Permission To Be Allowed For Most Apps, In Case Any Background Process Catches An Error, The App's Debug Activity Should Be Able To Show The User/Developer What The Error Actually Is, So It Can Be Debugged.

[IzzySoft]

Thanks @naveensingh! So here's what I've put now:

    android.permission.SYSTEM_ALERT_WINDOW: needed to launch e.g. timer alerts from background
    android.permission.RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED: needed to reschedule alarms on device start
    android.permission.SET_ALARM: needed to schedule alarms
    android.permission.SCHEDULE_EXACT_ALARM: needed to schedule alarms
    android.permission.USE_FULL_SCREEN_INTENT: needed to open the main activity from a notification

Maybe the FOREGROUND_SERVICE*, POST_NOTIFICATIONS, USE_EXACT_ALARM and WAKE_LOCK explanations should be added as well? VIBRATE is self-explaining I'd say.

[naveensingh]

I think the notification permission is pretty self-explanatory.

android.permission.FOREGROUND_SERVICE*: needed to keep things like the timer running in the background etc.
android.permission.USE_EXACT_ALARM: used in place of SCHEDULE_EXACT_ALARM on Android 13 and above. It is granted automatically on install but is only supposed to be used by apps with alarms as their core functionality: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/Manifest.permission?hl=en#USE_EXACT_ALARM
android.permission.WAKE_LOCK: needed to keep the CPU awake but I don't see any wakelocks being acquired in code, will investigate.

Thanks!

[IzzySoft]

I think the notification permission is pretty self-explanatory.

With notifications at least some folks automatically think about "cloud messages". I guess this is rather for showing alarms etc. in the notification area, right? The others have been added now, and I'm curious for your findings on the wakelocks 😉

    android.permission.SYSTEM_ALERT_WINDOW: needed to launch e.g. timer alerts from background
    android.permission.RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED: needed to reschedule alarms on device start
    android.permission.SCHEDULE_EXACT_ALARM: needed to schedule alarms
    com.android.alarm.permission.SET_ALARM: needed on lower Android versions to schedule alarms
    android.permission.USE_FULL_SCREEN_INTENT: needed to open the main activity from a notification
    android.permission.USE_EXACT_ALARM: used in place of SCHEDULE_EXACT_ALARM on Android 13 and above
    android.permission.FOREGROUND_SERVICE: needed to keep things like the timer running in the background etc.

Thank you!

[naveensingh]

I guess this is rather for showing alarms etc. in the notification area, right?

Yep, you guessed right.

[Violet-RM]

Any hope to get Notes released?

[atikattar1104]

naveensingh Said It Will Be Released After Clock. I Guess He And IzzySoft Both Are Working On It.

I Am Also Waiting For It. For Me, It Would Be Better To Have Some Lightweight Note Taking App Other Than MIUI's Crappy Notes App.

[naveensingh]

Fossify Notes has just been released on Github: https://github.com/FossifyOrg/Notes/releases/tag/1.0.0

FDroid merge request: https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/merge_requests/14868

@IzzySoft hey :)

[rjakubo]

Great :-) Thanks for your info and your work.

[RustoMCSpit]

the quillpad team is looking for new maintainers, any chance its app can be used to replace fossify's notes in the fossify project? can its features be taken or are there code bases too diffwrent?

[KaKi87]

Quillpad is a fork of an app named Quillnote, neither of which seem to be related to Fossify nor Simple Mobile Tools.

[naveensingh]

@RustoMCSpit Nope. Although the current functionality is basic, I don't want to replace the whole project with another. Popular note-taking features will be added to Fossify Notes anyway.

can its features be taken

Maybe it'll serve as inspiration. I'll check out the features.

[IzzySoft]

@naveensingh yay! Is set up now, will go live with the next sync around 6 pm UTC. Thanks for the ping – and for the app! 🤩