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Updates in support of CMIP6 #22

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durack1 opened this issue Apr 23, 2015 · 14 comments
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Updates in support of CMIP6 #22

durack1 opened this issue Apr 23, 2015 · 14 comments
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durack1 commented Apr 23, 2015

@taylor13 @doutriaux1 I've included an email from Martin Juckes below which outlines some key items for consideration in CMOR updates in preparation for CMIP6:

-----Original Message-----
From: "martin.juckes"
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2015 at 2:07 AM
To: "Paul J. Durack"
Cc: "Taylor, Karl Taylor", "Doutriaux, Charles"
Subject: RE: CMIP6 and CMOR2+

Hello Paul,

Glad to meet you.

Please don't start on the OMDP document yet -- that is input into the process, and we need to agree on how the tables etc will be organised in CMIP6 to deal with the expanded structure. I was planning on providing you with CMOR format MIP tables when we have mature documents.

At the moment the CMOR/CMIP6 issues that I'm aware of are:
(1) Need to support polar stereographic grids. Charles has said in an email that the code is there -- but I'm not sure what needs to be done in the MIP tables;
(2) Extend the "Conventions" attribute: pending agreement from CF committee -- and add a MIP table tag so that some variables can have "UGRID-0.9" added to the conventions attribute;
(3) Add a resolvable unique identifier: Tobias Weigel (DKRZ) is working on a system of resolvable identifiers (using the Handle Registry -- www.handle.net). Has he been in touch with you? I'll be at a meeting of one of the European project which is supporting his work next week, and I hope to find out more about his plans there.
(4) Global attributes: the WIP (WGCM Infrastructure Panel) is discussing a range of changes to global attributes -- hopefully these will not be difficult to implement;
(5) Delivering output in a flat directory structure: it currently provides a pseudo-ESGF directory structure with the result that some groups did not bother to transform to a correct directory structure.
(6) There is demand for a more robust system of testing CMOR and associated CMIP6 tables. We may be able to provide some support on this -- I'll check the status of our discussions there.
(7) Lots of new variables and dimensions -- but hopefully these will not need software changes.

For the CMIP6 data request I have a discussion board (http://dreq01.vanillaforums.com) and I have started a "CMOR" section -- we can move this somewhere else if you have a more convenient location (at the moment this board is mainly used by me to keep track of data request issues, so there is not much content).

regards,
Martin
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durack1 commented Aug 4, 2015

@doutriaux1 @gleckler1 @taylor13 @dnadeau4 @durack1 - we're all pinged for CMIP6/CMOR3

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dnadeau4 commented Jun 15, 2016

  • Need to support polar stereographic grids. Charles has said in an email that the code is there -- but I'm not sure what needs to be done in the MIP tables;
    This is supported and tested. Although the new xgre, ygre, xant, yant in the new tables break the old version of CMOR due to the number of requested values.
  • Extend the "Conventions" attribute: pending agreement from CF committee -- and add a MIP table tag so that some variables can have "UGRID-0.9" added to the conventions attribute;
  • Add a resolvable unique identifier: Tobias Weigel (DKRZ) is working on a system of resolvable identifiers (using the Handle Registry -- www.handle.net). Has he been in touch with you? I'll be at a meeting of one of the European project which is supporting his work next week, and I hope to find out more about his plans there.
  • Is the further_info_url attribute?
  • Global attributes: the WIP (WGCM Infrastructure Panel) is discussing a range of changes to global attributes -- hopefully these will not be difficult to implement;
  • Delivering output in a flat directory structure: it currently provides a pseudo-ESGF directory structure with the result that some groups did not bother to transform to a correct directory structure.
  • There is demand for a more robust system of testing CMOR and associated CMIP6 tables. We may be able to provide some support on this -- I'll check the status of our discussions there
  • Lots of new variables and dimensions -- but hopefully these will not need software change

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@dnadeau4 gleckler1 has not yet heard from T. Wiegel but good to know about this. We do need to think through a robust directory structure for obs4MIPs. For obs4MIPs, there are a few datasets (mostly snow and ice related) where polar stenographic is needed but that could come with a second release.

@durack1 durack1 modified the milestones: 3.1.1, 3.0 Jun 16, 2016
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@TobiasWeigel @gleckler1 I think my list above is pretty good. I am not sure if we need more information on Conventions using "UGRID-0.9". Right now Conventions is specified in the "CMIP6_xxxx.json" tables.

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durack1 commented Aug 10, 2016

@dnadeau4 do you mean controlled vocabulary rather than Conventions above - and I'm thinking the https://github.com/WCRP-CMIP/CMIP6_CVs repo specifically here

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There is a Conventions attributes that is set to "Conventions": "CF-1.6 CMIP-6.0" in CMIP6_Amon.json

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dnadeau4 commented Sep 7, 2016

Only the Conventions seems to be an issue since it is hard coded in the table. Is this good enough?

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@dnadeau4 @durack1 working on obs4MIPs directory structure now. Does the above question on conventions apply to both CMIP and obs4MIPs?

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What append to Conventions? Is it good enough the way it is right now?

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durack1 commented Nov 23, 2016

@dnadeau4 this is a question for @taylor13

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will check

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dnadeau4 commented Feb 8, 2017

@taylor13 is Conventions still good as: "Conventions": "CF-1.6 CMIP-6.0"
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@taylor13 Do you have an answer about Convention?

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dnadeau4 commented Mar 3, 2017

Most of this ticket has been resolved except Convention, I will close it and we can reopen a new one.

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