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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"trevnorris: my pleasure, then we'll be able to get some movement on the AL stuff and then my tracing api, and this shit will be done","date":"2014-01-30T00:00:28.873Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"seriously. and i'll be so happy it have it out.","date":"2014-01-30T00:01:19.598Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"tjfontaine: is there anything you need me to do about 6996?","date":"2014-01-30T00:04:25.755Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"not yet, I am going to test fedor's theory","date":"2014-01-30T00:04:42.158Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"ok, i'll check on it tomorrow. it's getting late here","date":"2014-01-30T00:05:34.735Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"AlexisMocha: sounds good, enjoy","date":"2014-01-30T00:05:46.086Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tjfontaine: is tracing just for gc? I swear ben was talking about exposing more profiling parts of v8.","date":"2014-01-30T00:23:33.342Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"but i'm pretty brain dead...","date":"2014-01-30T00:23:39.194Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"did you read my PR description?","date":"2014-01-30T00:26:38.387Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tjfontaine: fyi, I tried doing it from repl and it segfaults","date":"2014-01-30T00:27:09.213Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"there is one commit that I didn't include, because it wasn't finished, not that we can't add it, I just wasn't going to commit it without it being done, and int he short term I wanted to get tracing.js in so you can start doing your work","date":"2014-01-30T00:27:12.552Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tjfontaine: cool. thanks.","date":"2014-01-30T00:27:27.238Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"trevnorris: ok lemme look at it again, but in that case there's no difference between the constructor chain, and then is only doable by calling Init outside of it","date":"2014-01-30T00:27:50.977Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tjfontaine: eh? Init() as in async wrap? i'm talking about running tracing.v8.on('gc', function() { console.log(arguments[0]); }); from repl and running gc();","date":"2014-01-30T00:28:47.373Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"oh, oh oh","date":"2014-01-30T00:28:56.540Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"I thought you were talking about AL and _handle.fd","date":"2014-01-30T00:29:10.538Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"heh ok","date":"2014-01-30T00:29:23.545Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"no. haven't finished that yet. :)","date":"2014-01-30T00:29:29.282Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"that's interesting though, does the test pass for you?","date":"2014-01-30T00:29:55.731Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"test/simple/test-v8-gc.js","date":"2014-01-30T00:30:03.386Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"it's passing on my branch, so it's possible it's an unrelated change","date":"2014-01-30T00:30:32.360Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"nope, seems to be failing here as well ;)","date":"2014-01-30T00:31:30.516Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"so -- while I was reviewing this code a second ago I realized 2 things","date":"2014-01-30T00:31:45.639Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"1) this gc profile check is kinda scary, in memory constrained environments we're going to be creating more objects","date":"2014-01-30T00:32:20.366Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"2) it's constructing and setting objects with named properties, which is one of your no-nos","date":"2014-01-30T00:32:37.615Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"    frame #0: 0x000000010015b557 node`v8::Object::Get(v8::Handle<v8::Value>) [inlined] v8::internal::MemoryChunk::FromAddress(this=<unavailable>) at spaces.h:306","date":"2014-01-30T00:37:46.760Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"    frame #1: 0x000000010015b557 node`v8::Object::Get(v8::Handle<v8::Value>) [inlined] v8::internal::HeapObject::GetHeap(this=<unavailable>) at objects-inl.h:1192","date":"2014-01-30T00:37:49.736Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"    frame #2: 0x000000010015b557 node`v8::Object::Get(v8::Handle<v8::Value>) [inlined] v8::internal::HeapObject::GetIsolate(that=0x0000000000000000) at objects-inl.h:1199","date":"2014-01-30T00:37:52.732Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"    frame #3: 0x000000010015b557 node`v8::Object::Get(this=0x0000000000000000, key=<unavailable>) + 23 at api.cc:3213","date":"2014-01-30T00:37:55.743Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"that's a nasty bug, but anyway something's null :)","date":"2014-01-30T00:38:00.731Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"trevnorris: good news, and bad news, it works fine from a file but not from the repl","date":"2014-01-30T00:46:33.494Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"trevnorris: so we're just missing initialization in Environment in a path","date":"2014-01-30T00:46:52.764Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tjfontaine: yeah. the test passes.","date":"2014-01-30T00:48:00.902Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"well the test is sorta opaque","date":"2014-01-30T00:48:21.944Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"heh","date":"2014-01-30T00:48:25.502Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"not that there's a *great* way to test it","date":"2014-01-30T00:48:36.527Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"strange. nice job tracking that down so quickly.","date":"2014-01-30T00:48:38.747Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"yeah","date":"2014-01-30T00:48:41.423Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"we could probably do: gc() watch heap size, create a buffer, gc, compare heap size, set to null, gc twice watch heap size -- along the way checking each timestamp is increasing","date":"2014-01-30T00:51:59.220Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"I wonder what happens with --expose-gc these callbacks and gc() in 3.24","date":"2014-01-30T00:55:07.344Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"since currently it's sync at the moment","date":"2014-01-30T00:55:15.236Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"ooh. yeah.","date":"2014-01-30T00:58:19.452Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"i tried to update to 3.24, but that was no good.","date":"2014-01-30T00:58:28.133Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"anyways. out for a bit.","date":"2014-01-30T00:58:34.311Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"LOUDBOT","message":"HOW DID WE EVEN LIVE BEFORE HAIR CHALK","date":"2014-01-30T00:58:36.976Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"LOUDBOT: I MISSED YOU","date":"2014-01-30T00:58:44.221Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"LOUDBOT","message":"trevnorris: TOO BOLD FOR A CANADIAN","date":"2014-01-30T00:58:44.772Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"drs","message":"what would be the point of calling uv_timer_init, then uv_timer_start, then immedietly unreffing the object you just started?","date":"2014-01-30T01:09:09.023Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"you have a timer that you don't want to hodl your loop open","date":"2014-01-30T01:10:03.841Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"drs","message":"would it continue to fire (4 arg of uv_timer_start) if it gets unref?","date":"2014-01-30T01:10:31.429Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"yes, it's just a matter of informing the event loop auditing if this handle should keep the event loop alive","date":"2014-01-30T01:11:05.920Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"drs","message":"ok thanks","date":"2014-01-30T01:11:33.014Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"indutny: heya","date":"2014-01-30T13:21:07.392Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"I investigated that flaky test more and to me things seem consistent with my initial analysis. But maybe I am missing something...","date":"2014-01-30T13:22:58.978Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"the test failing or succeeding seems to depend on how much data is read each time at the client socket","date":"2014-01-30T13:23:41.706Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"SUCCESS sequence:","date":"2014-01-30T13:24:00.228Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"onread 23k","date":"2014-01-30T13:24:06.818Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"since this is more than the watermark, the parser pauses the socket","date":"2014-01-30T13:24:23.981Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"the test does read(1) => socket is resumed","date":"2014-01-30T13:24:37.800Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"onread 65k","date":"2014-01-30T13:24:51.991Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"since this is more than the watermark, the parser pauses the socket","date":"2014-01-30T13:25:09.721Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"but these 65k contain the invalid encoding, and the error is raised","date":"2014-01-30T13:25:34.707Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"FAIL sequence:","date":"2014-01-30T13:25:43.130Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"heya","date":"2014-01-30T13:25:43.783Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"hi :)","date":"2014-01-30T13:25:52.080Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"onread 23k","date":"2014-01-30T13:25:54.326Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"since this is more than the watermark, the parser pauses the socket","date":"2014-01-30T13:26:01.250Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"the test does read(1) => socket is resumed","date":"2014-01-30T13:26:09.610Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"onread *23k*","date":"2014-01-30T13:26:31.810Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"the socket is paused again","date":"2014-01-30T13:26:50.254Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"but the error has not arrived yet","date":"2014-01-30T13:27:00.890Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"onread 65k -> this is not parsed","date":"2014-01-30T13:28:20.687Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"server.close() -> the process exits","date":"2014-01-30T13:28:30.363Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"perhaps, we should try writing","date":"2014-01-30T13:28:33.154Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"XXXXXXX","date":"2014-01-30T13:28:35.622Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"instead of AAAAAAAAAA","date":"2014-01-30T13:28:38.564Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"so it'll fail immediately","date":"2014-01-30T13:28:46.710Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"I didn't actually think about AAAAAA being a valid transfer-encoding prefix at that time :)","date":"2014-01-30T13:29:00.995Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"but the overflow bug is fixed, it shouldn't make a difference","date":"2014-01-30T13:29:08.114Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"well, the difference is that error will be emitted","date":"2014-01-30T13:29:19.328Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"brb","date":"2014-01-30T13:29:25.812Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"they will both emit HPC_INVALID_CONTENT_LENGTH","date":"2014-01-30T13:29:44.877Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"XXXX because X is not a valid hex digit","date":"2014-01-30T13:29:53.454Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"and AAAAAA because of overflow","date":"2014-01-30T13:30:03.782Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"AlexisMocha: sorry, was afk","date":"2014-01-30T15:13:53.647Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"indutny: np","date":"2014-01-30T15:14:25.909Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"hm...","date":"2014-01-30T15:14:48.286Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"I think I finally understood what you was talking about","date":"2014-01-30T15:14:59.424Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"ok, thanks","date":"2014-01-30T15:17:01.143Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"so it's just the test that invalid, right?","date":"2014-01-30T15:17:17.856Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"indutny: re - pipe pending handles. I didn't see any bugs, just think it is unnecessarily complicated and win/pipe.c is already a mess. Also your code actually does not avoid a malloc b/c even the first pending handle requires a malloc now.","date":"2014-01-30T15:47:18.610Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"indutny: but you're a grownup, if you think this is fine then you can land it.","date":"2014-01-30T15:47:33.658Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"hm...","date":"2014-01-30T15:47:36.810Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"actually I see what you mean","date":"2014-01-30T15:48:06.519Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"AlexisMocha: looks like test is just invalid","date":"2014-01-30T15:55:48.734Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"let's remove it","date":"2014-01-30T15:55:52.663Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"would you mind opening PR for it?","date":"2014-01-30T15:55:57.796Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"indutny: so we dont' care to test for HPE_INVALID_CONTENT_LENGTH? if we read the request fully, the error will be raised and the test is passing. Isn't that worth something?","date":"2014-01-30T15:58:52.343Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"that test wasn't for it :)","date":"2014-01-30T15:59:16.672Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"and there is a test in http-parser","date":"2014-01-30T15:59:21.932Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"ok i guess i don't know what the test was meant for :)","date":"2014-01-30T15:59:44.211Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"haha","date":"2014-01-30T16:00:14.885Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"for parser double free","date":"2014-01-30T16:00:17.347Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"but it isn't reproducing anything now","date":"2014-01-30T16:00:29.867Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"so assuming the parser double free issue was not fixed, the test with resume() wouldn't catch it?","date":"2014-01-30T16:01:18.484Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"it doesn't catch it in any form now","date":"2014-01-30T16:04:13.463Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"so that's why I think it is not relevant anymore","date":"2014-01-30T16:04:31.559Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"it did help us catch the parser encoding issue though, which no other test did","date":"2014-01-30T16:12:47.007Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"AlexisMocha","message":"well, we can chat about it during the status call later today","date":"2014-01-30T16:13:55.517Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"AlexisMocha: well, we have a test in http-parser now","date":"2014-01-30T16:50:22.214Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"tjfontaine: call?","date":"2014-01-30T16:53:03.299Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"piscisaureus: trevnorris: ^","date":"2014-01-30T16:53:08.432Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"AlexisMocha: ^","date":"2014-01-30T16:53:09.769Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"in 7 minutes","date":"2014-01-30T16:53:14.109Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":":)","date":"2014-01-30T16:53:14.994Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"indutny: do you need me to be on it?","date":"2014-01-30T16:53:26.061Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"idk","date":"2014-01-30T16:53:30.869Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"(or tjfontaine AlexisMocha ?)","date":"2014-01-30T16:53:40.055Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"we have a call yes","date":"2014-01-30T16:54:18.355Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"piscisaureus: I have at least one issue I'd like your commentary on","date":"2014-01-30T16:54:32.709Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"alright","date":"2014-01-30T16:54:40.081Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"piscisaureus: but we can get that out of the way at the start","date":"2014-01-30T16:54:48.350Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"tjfontaine: I don't think I have the invite but if you paste the link I will join","date":"2014-01-30T16:54:58.641Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/dGpmb250YWluZUBub2RlanMub3Jn.7o3iugm5mbjqj81eb56fsoj118","date":"2014-01-30T16:55:01.852Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"ok, cool","date":"2014-01-30T16:55:07.896Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"piscisaureus: the invite was sent to team@nodejs.org","date":"2014-01-30T16:55:11.840Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"so it is where ever you have your @nodejs.org forwarding to","date":"2014-01-30T16:55:30.027Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"Oh dammit I have a nodejs.org e-mail :)","date":"2014-01-30T16:55:30.149Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"indutny, trevnorris, AlexisMocha: call in 4min","date":"2014-01-30T16:56:10.039Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"ok","date":"2014-01-30T16:56:18.297Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"tadam","date":"2014-01-30T17:49:26.663Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"in v0.12 milestone","date":"2014-01-30T17:50:08.458Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"othiym23, Domenic_: pign","date":"2014-01-30T18:44:59.110Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"pong","date":"2014-01-30T18:45:07.124Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"are there v8 harmony features that you consider safe to enable?","date":"2014-01-30T18:45:20.248Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"trying to find an up-to-date list of them","date":"2014-01-30T18:45:59.342Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"https://gist.github.com/tjfontaine/8715862 what's available in our current build of v8, 3.22","date":"2014-01-30T18:46:00.550Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"numeric literals seem safe","date":"2014-01-30T18:46:40.818Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"tentatively scoping, symbols, collections, generators, strings, arrays, and maths","date":"2014-01-30T18:47:26.539Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"but i want to check those","date":"2014-01-30T18:47:30.126Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"especially scoping and collections i am not sure on","date":"2014-01-30T18:47:42.921Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"strings looks safe http://code.google.com/p/v8/source/browse/branches/bleeding_edge/src/harmony-string.js?spec=svn15960&r=15960","date":"2014-01-30T18:48:16.850Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"arrays looks safe","date":"2014-01-30T18:49:31.017Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"maths looks safe","date":"2014-01-30T18:50:57.496Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"jmar777","message":"By enabling, are you talking about unhiding behind v8 flags?","date":"2014-01-30T18:51:34.149Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"collections looks safe although only a subset of ES6 features are implemented. but those that are implemented, are correct.","date":"2014-01-30T18:52:38.501Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"generators are probably safe, the only outstanding issue is https://code.google.com/p/v8/issues/detail?id=3099 which pretty edge-casey","date":"2014-01-30T18:53:36.408Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"for scoping and symbols i would email andreas rossberg to check. i am not confident i can judge those.","date":"2014-01-30T18:54:16.223Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"sorry I got an IRL interrupt","date":"2014-01-30T19:09:23.188Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"Domenic_: so, I guess the question is, are the only extra features --harmony adds that you're not comfortable with is scoping and symbols?","date":"2014-01-30T19:10:25.899Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"no, i am also uncomfortable with iteration, observation (ES7), proxies, and modules, as well as any others that they put under the --harmony flag in the future.","date":"2014-01-30T19:11:11.592Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"ok","date":"2014-01-30T19:11:23.333Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"scoping and symbols are the ones that i am unsure on---might be ready, might not.","date":"2014-01-30T19:11:31.463Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"ah ok","date":"2014-01-30T19:11:35.793Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"thanks, I appreciate it","date":"2014-01-30T19:11:39.291Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"np! would be exciting to start turning on these switches :D","date":"2014-01-30T19:12:38.070Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"Domenic_: what potential new globals do we encounter that could be breaking existing code?","date":"2014-01-30T19:18:47.812Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"tjfontaine: collections: Map, Set, WeakMap, WeakSet. symbols: Symbol. modules: System. proxies: Proxy, Reflect.","date":"2014-01-30T19:21:17.776Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"ok","date":"2014-01-30T19:21:42.893Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"also, why isn't there a \"use harmony\" feature option? :)","date":"2014-01-30T19:22:20.168Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"as in, a pragma?","date":"2014-01-30T19:22:32.868Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"a la \"use strict\"; yes","date":"2014-01-30T19:22:37.913Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"yeah, nobody likes \"use strict\", is why :P","date":"2014-01-30T19:22:44.864Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"heh","date":"2014-01-30T19:22:48.205Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"but it solves at least some of these problems ;)","date":"2014-01-30T19:22:58.935Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"at least it's not our problem anymore","date":"2014-01-30T19:23:04.373Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"i don't think globals can break code really","date":"2014-01-30T19:23:14.278Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"cuz they're overwritable/shadowable","date":"2014-01-30T19:23:24.377Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"the code would have to be doing something dumb like `if (global.WeakMap) { break my program }`","date":"2014-01-30T19:23:51.545Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"Domenic_: what about typeof?","date":"2014-01-30T19:45:36.630Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"what's your disposition on that feature that is","date":"2014-01-30T19:45:46.483Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"Domenic_","message":"tjfontaine: typeof reformation is not in any ES spec. it was a v8 team experiment to see if they could fix `typeof null`, but they can't, it breaks too many web pages. it shouldn't even exist anymore; all it does is confuse people.","date":"2014-01-30T19:48:17.903Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"ok","date":"2014-01-30T19:48:30.953Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"indutny, tjfontaine: there's still the stupid thing that I'm seeing equal number of uv_try_write/uv_write as I am seeing uv_write.","date":"2014-01-30T20:24:59.933Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"hm...","date":"2014-01-30T20:25:12.174Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"you mean that it doesn't improve anything?","date":"2014-01-30T20:25:22.329Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"this is rather surprising","date":"2014-01-30T20:25:29.400Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"it's just node not telling itself not to fire both","date":"2014-01-30T20:26:02.415Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"hm...","date":"2014-01-30T20:26:31.261Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"impossible","date":"2014-01-30T20:26:32.898Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"what happens if you call cork(), write(), uncork(). I see uv_try_write then uv_write2","date":"2014-01-30T20:27:06.750Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"oh","date":"2014-01-30T20:27:16.281Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"well","date":"2014-01-30T20:27:16.877Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"it does happen only for strings and buffers","date":"2014-01-30T20:27:28.745Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"not writev","date":"2014-01-30T20:27:30.309Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"so perhaps it does a buffer/string write","date":"2014-01-30T20:27:42.418Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"and then writev() ?","date":"2014-01-30T20:27:45.680Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"possible. in http we treat string writes differently for some reason.","date":"2014-01-30T20:28:05.732Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"why don't we just convert those to buffers and put them in the write queue?","date":"2014-01-30T20:28:20.672Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tjfontaine: this is where some of those flame graphs would come in handy","date":"2014-01-30T20:28:58.653Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"trevnorris: you mean writev() ?","date":"2014-01-30T20:29:15.527Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"indutny: are you talking about StreamWrap::Writev() or the writev() syscall?","date":"2014-01-30T20:30:43.557Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"Writev","date":"2014-01-30T20:30:49.941Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"indutny: sorry, i'm a case insensitive person so i'm still confused. ;-P","date":"2014-01-30T20:31:59.486Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"hahaha","date":"2014-01-30T20:32:06.690Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"both","date":"2014-01-30T20:32:10.658Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"it's probably that strings are being written, because tracing TCP#writeUtf8String() I see equal number of calls there.","date":"2014-01-30T20:33:24.387Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"indutny: ah, it's because in http my patch only corked for writing buffers","date":"2014-01-30T20:34:28.446Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"since strings are handled differently","date":"2014-01-30T20:34:32.935Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"and I couldn't figure it out in the 10 mins I wrote that patch","date":"2014-01-30T20:34:42.554Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"but whatever the reason, we're making double the number of necessary calls to uv","date":"2014-01-30T20:35:50.285Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"since the strings could be turned into buffers and sent down the pipe in the same way.","date":"2014-01-30T20:36:03.805Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"wait","date":"2014-01-30T20:37:13.405Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"writev() could handle strings too","date":"2014-01-30T20:37:17.978Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"no need to make them buffers","date":"2014-01-30T20:37:24.147Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"now I assume you mean StreamWrap::Writev()","date":"2014-01-30T20:38:56.042Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"possibly tricky, the v8 string needs to be written to external memory, so that means it wouldn't be attached to any JS object and in the callback would need to be cleaned up","date":"2014-01-30T20:39:49.490Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"so how would you know which pointers are for a Buffer and which you'd need to free()","date":"2014-01-30T20:40:07.407Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"?","date":"2014-01-30T20:40:11.407Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"the trick is","date":"2014-01-30T20:42:42.734Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"that we copy every data","date":"2014-01-30T20:42:46.015Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"anyway","date":"2014-01-30T20:42:49.164Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"be it buffer or string","date":"2014-01-30T20:42:54.376Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"and free it as a part of write request","date":"2014-01-30T20:43:02.362Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"do we currently copy data out of a Buffer before it's being written?","date":"2014-01-30T20:44:05.814Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"yep","date":"2014-01-30T20:44:11.203Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"if it doesn't come through uv_try_write()","date":"2014-01-30T20:44:19.001Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"that's the reason why I have introduced it","date":"2014-01-30T20:44:28.292Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"perhaps I could make Writev use uv_try_write() if all of it's arguments are buffers","date":"2014-01-30T20:45:01.113Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"ok, so uv_mutex_t is exposed but there is nothing useful in the header explaining it.","date":"2014-01-30T20:50:55.050Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"uv_mutex_lock","date":"2014-01-30T20:51:15.429Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"uv_mutex_unlock","date":"2014-01-30T20:51:17.789Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"uv_mutex_init","date":"2014-01-30T20:51:20.968Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"uv_mutex_destroy","date":"2014-01-30T20:51:23.993Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"what else do you expect?","date":"2014-01-30T20:51:27.169Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"uv_mutex_trylock","date":"2014-01-30T20:52:08.864Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"yes","date":"2014-01-30T20:52:58.251Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"this too","date":"2014-01-30T20:53:00.074Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"trevnorris: you should really learn to use search in vim","date":"2014-01-30T20:53:08.891Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"har har","date":"2014-01-30T20:53:17.739Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"i meant more like, most other uv_*_t are created from a uv_*_s. my lack of understanding here is probably because i've never directly worked with threads before.","date":"2014-01-30T20:54:33.209Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"trevnorris: it maps to pthread_mutex_t on unixes","date":"2014-01-30T20:56:42.308Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"look in uv-unix.h","date":"2014-01-30T20:56:48.710Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"thanks. was just probing all uv methods on a node process and uv_mutex_lock has a ridiculously large number of executions.","date":"2014-01-30T20:57:55.824Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"so was just curious why.","date":"2014-01-30T20:58:13.701Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"oy, and always forget there are those other headers in include","date":"2014-01-30T20:59:27.373Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"trevnorris: guess a thread pool","date":"2014-01-30T21:14:14.557Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"its a thread pool","date":"2014-01-30T21:14:25.530Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"tjfontaine: hey man","date":"2014-01-30T21:16:44.317Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"tjfontaine: could you please remind me win sandbox creds?","date":"2014-01-30T21:16:52.164Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"going to test queue-handles on it","date":"2014-01-30T21:17:06.869Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"indutny: I'll pm you","date":"2014-01-30T21:23:50.465Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"tjfontaine: thank yoi","date":"2014-01-30T21:29:32.114Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"it works! :)","date":"2014-01-30T21:29:34.336Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"oh, btw","date":"2014-01-30T21:30:07.609Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"I think no one has ever gave some love to https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1082","date":"2014-01-30T21:30:14.080Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"isaacs: what happened to the npmjs.org download stats","date":"2014-01-30T22:24:25.215Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"man a cdn-ified environment probably makes that information more complex to round up","date":"2014-01-30T22:25:34.834Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"It was there a week ago. Has that all been done in the last week?","date":"2014-01-30T22:26:16.815Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"I dunno, I was just thinking aloud","date":"2014-01-30T22:27:07.888Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tjfontaine: makes it dang near impossible. best I've ever gotten working w/ a cdn is them giving me the raw logs so I could parse them myself.","date":"2014-01-30T22:27:17.952Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"ya that's what I presume he's going to have to do","date":"2014-01-30T22:27:34.361Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"it's a dead simple manta job","date":"2014-01-30T22:27:38.595Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"it's just more complex than looking at output from couch ;)","date":"2014-01-30T22:27:53.615Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"I think the original stats were just log file parsing anyway","date":"2014-01-30T22:28:06.321Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"to get around this we'd usually include a get to a 0 byte request w/ the download info, but unfortunately that didn't give us partial downloads, etc.","date":"2014-01-30T22:28:19.856Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"yeah","date":"2014-01-30T22:28:32.427Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tjfontaine: here's a script to curl your toes: https://gist.github.com/trevnorris/8721441","date":"2014-01-30T22:31:32.149Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"i dare not show othiym23 or he might actually use it :P","date":"2014-01-30T22:31:56.336Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"trevnorris: man, screaming for DTrace :)","date":"2014-01-30T22:33:07.958Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"or AL","date":"2014-01-30T22:33:15.329Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"heh","date":"2014-01-30T22:33:19.798Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"at least the mechansim for AL there is sane","date":"2014-01-30T22:33:32.239Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"and understandable","date":"2014-01-30T22:33:38.142Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"yeah, but still have to implement passing the type of callbacks you want to track","date":"2014-01-30T22:33:55.183Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"do you expect it to be appreciably different from what I wrote?","date":"2014-01-30T22:34:17.649Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"api wise? don't remember thinking so.","date":"2014-01-30T22:34:37.279Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"we were in a discussion about onAsync(), but then my week got busy","date":"2014-01-30T22:35:48.970Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"I think the main question before I can start integrating my dtrace/etw stuff, is if we want to design a singular interface that is applicable to both, or keep them separate with something like onAsync","date":"2014-01-30T22:36:36.665Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"i think separating them by using something like onAsync() is more sane. or, at least, will keep us more sane.","date":"2014-01-30T22:41:10.536Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"fine with me, pretty straight forward","date":"2014-01-30T22:42:17.990Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"isaacs","message":"piscisaureus: see http://blog.npmjs.org/","date":"2014-01-30T22:47:46.312Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"oh","date":"2014-01-30T22:53:41.598Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"you have a blog","date":"2014-01-30T22:53:43.595Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"piscisaureus: hey man","date":"2014-01-30T22:57:18.392Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"what's FROM_PROTOCOL_INFO","date":"2014-01-30T22:57:27.842Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms742212(v=vs.85).aspx","date":"2014-01-30T22:57:35.292Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"aaaah","date":"2014-01-30T22:57:44.044Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"nvm","date":"2014-01-30T22:57:47.133Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"why isn't it passed in the WSASocket call below?","date":"2014-01-30T22:58:10.803Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"should I address it too?","date":"2014-01-30T22:58:13.641Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"piscisaureus: ^","date":"2014-01-30T22:58:45.334Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"indutny: that's wrong, should be done below too","date":"2014-01-30T22:59:02.536Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"ok","date":"2014-01-30T22:59:11.708Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"it's not below","date":"2014-01-30T22:59:13.553Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"actually","date":"2014-01-30T22:59:14.951Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"it is in tcp.c","date":"2014-01-30T22:59:16.797Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"whatever","date":"2014-01-30T22:59:20.850Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"I'll do it as part of that PR","date":"2014-01-30T22:59:26.490Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"wherever :)","date":"2014-01-30T22:59:27.830Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"nice!","date":"2014-01-30T22:59:29.378Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"piscisaureus","message":"indutny++","date":"2014-01-30T22:59:30.960Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"piscisaureus: thank you","date":"2014-01-30T23:00:16.585Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"tjfontaine: btw","date":"2014-01-30T23:00:30.055Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"tjfontaine: that sandbox told me that the password will expire in 1 day","date":"2014-01-30T23:00:39.446Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"just FY","date":"2014-01-30T23:00:40.955Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"FYI","date":"2014-01-30T23:00:42.326Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"ya ya, winblows gpo's :)","date":"2014-01-30T23:01:07.696Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"ok","date":"2014-01-30T23:02:17.706Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"drs","message":"If i pass a TCP socket to a spawned child and then the child closes that socket, does the parent/master executable also need to close the socket?","date":"2014-01-30T23:59:13.425Z","type":"message"}
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