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Why are most new signatories Russian? #452

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ghost opened this issue Mar 24, 2021 · 100 comments
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Why are most new signatories Russian? #452

ghost opened this issue Mar 24, 2021 · 100 comments

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@ghost
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ghost commented Mar 24, 2021

Did this petition get posted someplace Russian?

@nekonee
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nekonee commented Mar 24, 2021

We welcome signers of all nationalities here.

@grindelwaldus
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yep, it was posted here - https://habr.com/ru/news/t/548718/

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nukeop commented Mar 24, 2021

https://www.linux.org.ru/news/opensource/16225630
https://www.linux.org.ru/forum/talks/16225882?cid=16226448

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nuclearcat commented Mar 24, 2021

It got published on russian opensource news website https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=54820

@RollingHog
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Well, we do want to use free software too.

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@majestrate
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believe it or not free software also exists outside of the USA.

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df3423e commented Mar 24, 2021

because russians are based

@EnverOsmanov
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Spreading communism in software world!

@Areso
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Areso commented Mar 24, 2021

Spreading communism in software world!

Yeah, somewhat.
For everyone for the person's needs, from everyone from the person's abilities.
It sounds good, isn't it?

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Because it's bots inflating the signature count to try and make it seem as relevant as the real letter exposing his bad behavior.

that's kind of racist ngl, just because someone is russian doesn't make them a bot.

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Areso commented Mar 24, 2021

@BurnyBoi and who should be counted as a bot?
A person who has contributed nothing, like you, or this bunch of Russians, who had a lot of open source projects behind their names?

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@BurnyBoi and who should be counted as a bot?
A person who has contributed nothing, like you, or this bunch of Russians, who had a lot of open source projects behind their names?

Hey, just step aside and let this boi BURN!

@nukeop
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nukeop commented Mar 24, 2021

plonked

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Koncord commented Mar 24, 2021

@BurnyBoi I'm Russian and I did a lot more effort to the Open Source than you

@ghost
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ghost commented Mar 24, 2021

Because we love free software

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ghost commented Mar 24, 2021

In Russia, we also like free software and respect RMS and all of he's done.

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mfriley commented Mar 24, 2021

Americans discovering for the billionth time that the world doesn't revolve around them and their politics

@shpinog
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shpinog commented Mar 24, 2021

@BurnyBoi and who should be counted as a bot?
A person who has contributed nothing, like you, or this bunch of Russians, who had a lot of open source projects behind their names?

The presence of some projects, no matter how significant, does not give you the right to decide where to work for a person and to privatize his right to personal opinion.

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pizdjuk commented Mar 24, 2021

@BurnyBoi and who should be counted as a bot?
A person who has contributed nothing, like you, or this bunch of Russians, who had a lot of open source projects behind their names?

The presence of some projects, no matter how significant, does not give you the right to decide where to work for a person and to privatize his right to personal opinion.

Just to be honest: the retoric question of BurnyBoy referring to russians: "Because it's bots inflating the signature count to try and make it seem as relevant as the real letter exposing his bad behavior."

So, the question of "What did you do for free software?" is pretty in place :)

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evdmux commented Mar 24, 2021

it was posted in 2ch.hk . its the most popular anonymous image board in Russian.

@podvornyakva
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Cause we are wake early, to seek God mercy.

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ghost commented Mar 24, 2021

Excellent. 😎

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Stalin and Lenin respects free software, legate!

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shpinog commented Mar 24, 2021

@BurnyBoi and who should be counted as a bot?
A person who has contributed nothing, like you, or this bunch of Russians, who had a lot of open source projects behind their names?

The presence of some projects, no matter how significant, does not give you the right to decide where to work for a person and to privatize his right to personal opinion.

Just to be honest: the retoric question of BurnyBoy referring to russians: "Because it's bots inflating the signature count to try and make it seem as relevant as the real letter exposing his bad behavior."

So, the question of "What did you do for free software?" is pretty in place :)

Users define value too, not just developers.

RMS and the open source software movement are targeting users.

You still evade the question, what right does anyone have to limit a person's personal opinion? Having a cool repository gives you the right to decide who should think how and where to work?

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ghost commented Mar 24, 2021

Ahhh didn't mean to close this, wrong button, sorry! Didn't know free software was such a big thing in Russia.

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Areso commented Mar 24, 2021

You still evade the question, what right does anyone have to limit a person's personal opinion? Having a cool repository gives you the right to decide who should think how and where to work?

It is not about limiting anybody or anywhere.
It is about value, as you said.

Let's say, a stranger came into a bar and said 'this pal is a cool marksman'. Okay.
But his words will be valued more if he is by himself is a marksman too, and he is well-known for that fact.
So, basically, everyone could have an opinion on everything.
But not everybody's opinion is worth something.

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HAUSEVULT commented Mar 24, 2021

Lefties at it again with their anti-white racism. Let me guess, all signatories must be [group who approves of my thinking]?

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AKonia commented Mar 24, 2021

@HAUSEVULT righties not lefties.

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shpinog commented Mar 24, 2021

@pizdjuk, GH is an international website, the petition targets the whole world. It is just irresponsible and disrespectful to make a private party here. For offtop you can find other places, such as opennet and lor.

Откуда вы все берётесь? У вас здесь прям party любителей указывать другим как им жить. Люди и без "особого мнения" разберутся где и для чего "своё" место.

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ghost commented Mar 24, 2021

Ahhh didn't mean to close this, wrong button, sorry! Didn't know free software was such a big thing in Russia.

Большинство населения нашей страны даже не знает элементарные правила защиты данных и т.п., попадают на удочки мошенников. Но так как страна большая, то хоть и процент нас, просвещенных в плане СПО, мал, нас много

Это же можно сказать про всех людей

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13sqrt5 commented Mar 24, 2021

@AKonia
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Please refrain from blaming broad "lefties" or "righties", as the signatories of this letter may consider themselves "left" or "right".

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AKonia commented Mar 24, 2021

@13sqrt5 i just reacted with only remark. At the same time I think that this issue should be frozen from the beginning(or right after first 2-3 comments), wanna or not - it will end as political talk because it's began as offtopic, mixing national with international.

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TimurC1 commented Mar 24, 2021

Because we love free software

Ну, у нас любят большинство населения все-таки FREE в значении "БЕСПЛАТНОЕ", а не свободное.

Ну за всю страну уж не наглей говорить, бесплатное любят все, но вот как раз на безвоздмездную, искреннюю помощь и добро для всех - делают у нас много, чаще, это результат другого воспитания: помогаешь другу = помогаешь себе.

Не буду с вами спорить, все таки мы в адекватном обществе. Я уважаю ваше мнение. Но моя точка зрения такова, я это заметил по собственным наблюдениям. Это мое личное мнение 🙂

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TimurC1 commented Mar 24, 2021

Ahhh didn't mean to close this, wrong button, sorry! Didn't know free software was such a big thing in Russia.

Большинство населения нашей страны даже не знает элементарные правила защиты данных и т.п., попадают на удочки мошенников. Но так как страна большая, то хоть и процент нас, просвещенных в плане СПО, мал, нас много

Это же можно сказать про всех людей

Можете уточнить?

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trdm commented Mar 24, 2021

Well, we do want to use free software too.

А так-же любим его разрабатывать :)

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1vanK commented Mar 24, 2021

@BurnyBoi

Because it's bots inflating the signature count to try and make it seem as relevant as the real letter exposing his bad behavior.

Based on your profile, bot are you.

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Gobz commented Mar 24, 2021

Never knew free software was this big in Russia! Glad to see you guys on board. Don't take too much to the bigots calling you bots.

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maxp779 commented Mar 24, 2021

Welcome Russian friends 😊

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pizdjuk commented Mar 25, 2021

Well, we do want to use free software too.

А так-же любим его разрабатывать :)

звучит, кхм, занятно :) Даже не знаю, что повлияло.... Наверное резкая смена языка xD

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ghost commented Mar 25, 2021

Not a Russian but Vietnamese, glad to see fellow comrades supporting free software.

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6r1d commented Mar 25, 2021

It's great to see this issue, really. Many of us respect RMS for projects he created like GCC. I expected that less people from Russia will be interested in supporting RMS and this is really reassuring.

I'm personally here because I saw this video by Bryan Lunduke, if that matters. Apparently, there is a topic on opennet and I'm reading another one on linux.org.ru now.

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ghost commented Mar 25, 2021

GCC is part of my motivation too. My entire country's programming scene depends on GCC, and I cannot let a couple hundred angry Twitter imbeciles take the freedom of being able to build software away from us.

@nuclearcat
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There is one more reason i realize, why so many russians present here.
It's funny and sad, but Russian-speaking supporters of RMS have more freedom of speech at moment, they are not subject of treacherous revenge from those who are trying to lynch RMS.

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Because in Russia we honestly believe in freedom of expression and despise those who against it.

@michaelkarlcoleman
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I for one welcome our new Russian bot overlords.

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DOORAK commented Mar 26, 2021

Loud emptiness laying behind points antiRMS letter, we can see clearly. Because staying far and being in distant edges of media-field gap - we not bounded by social-relation mind refractors causing people to call white balls as "black balls" repeatedly after society group leaders calling it as that for they reasons ("Asch conformity experiments").

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ghost commented Mar 26, 2021

I for one welcome our new Russian bot overlords.

All Rusians are bots, arent they? Seems similar to racism

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Us in the West have completely lost the moral high ground of being more "free" since the events of 2020. Russia, China, USA, Europe, etc. We are all together now facing world-encompassing totalitarianism spearheaded by the tech companies. Many of the anti-FSF mob are backed by these corporations. Cancelling FSF is being done to diminish the digital civil liberties movement.

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kotovalexarian commented Mar 27, 2021

Spreading communism in software world!

Most russians are not communists. While I like the jokes about this, in serious conversation I also have to notice that we suffered a lot because of communist regime.

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AKonia commented Mar 27, 2021

@kotovalexarian Когда интересно госкапитализм вдруг стал коммунизмом то ? Были элементы социализма, как общества высоких социальных гарантий - бесплатной качественной медицины, образования и науки на благо большинства, роста реальныз доходов но и то это всё начали сворачивать с Хрущёва - начали капиталистические преобразования и раздемокартизацию общества замылив глаза откровенной халявой-подачками и космосом. В целом же люди требующие от государства пенсий, медицины, безопасности и пр. - это уже социалисты, хотя и не коммунисты.

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TheShich commented Mar 29, 2021

Because RMS is our national hero, we believe in St. IGNUcius and FAIF is The Book!

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makpif commented Mar 31, 2021

Russian do not like LGBT.

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As everywhere, some do love, some just say that they love, some just say that they don't love, some don't love and some of them are.

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zgwerby commented Mar 31, 2021

Russian do not like LGBT.

Nope. Russians don't like "pidors".
Is very critical difference against def "gays" (or other non-traditional people) and def "pidors" (this is an extreme rough word "fag/faggot" version). LGBT-people can be pidor, but not all gays - pidors, and not all pidors - gays.
Now pidors attacked RMS, normal gays are out of politics. They do not have offend. But that stinky minority dirty everyone in сommutity.
And on offended water is carried.

All hail Mordor! Long live the RMS!

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