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    <minor-heading id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.1" nospeaker="true" time="14:30:00" url="">Prelude</minor-heading>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.2" nospeaker="true" time="14:30:00" ><p>Chuaigh an Ceann Comhairle i gceannas ar 2.30 p.m.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.3" nospeaker="true" time="14:30:00" ><p>Prayer.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.4" nospeaker="true" time="14:30:00" ><p>Paidir.</p></speech>
    <major-heading id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.5" nospeaker="true" time="14:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400003#A00100">Business of Dáil</major-heading>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.6" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="14:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400003#A00200"><p>The first item of business is the nomination of a Taoiseach.  Before receiving nominations, I call on the Chief Whip and Minister of State at the Department of the Taoiseach, Deputy Paul Kehoe, to propose arrangements for the taking of today's business.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.7" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1365" speakername="Paul Kehoe" time="14:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400004#B00100"><p>It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders or the order of the D&aacute;il of 6 April 2016, that the following business shall be transacted today: No. 1, nomination of Taoiseach (resumed); No. 4, statements on housing; and No. 3<i>a</i>, motion re establishment of special committee on housing and homelessness.  </p><p>It is proposed, notwithstanding anything in Standing Orders, that the arrangements in respect of the nomination of Taoiseach shall be as follows: the speech of each proposer and seconder shall not exceed five minutes in each case, following which the Chair shall allow contributions for a period not exceeding 30 minutes, whereupon the Chair shall put the question on any motion made in the order in which such motions were received; on the conclusion of the votes on nomination of Taoiseach, the Ceann Comhairle shall call on all nominees to make a five-minute statement in each case; and on the conclusion of statements by nominees, statements shall be made by the main spokespersons for Fine Gael, Fianna F&aacute;il, Sinn F&eacute;in, the Labour Party, AAA-PBP, Independents 4 Change, the Social Democrats, the Green Party and a non-party Deputy or a Member nominated in their stead which shall not exceed five minutes in each case and such Members may share time, provided such Member has not spoken already.</p><p>The proceedings on No. 4 shall, if not previously concluded, be brought to a conclusion at 8.30 p.m. and the following arrangements shall apply: the statements of a Minister or a Minister of State and the main spokespersons for Fianna F&aacute;il, Sinn F&eacute;in, the Labour Party, AAA-PBP, Independents 4 Change, the Social Democrats, the Green Party and a non-party Deputy or a Member nominated in their stead shall not exceed ten minutes in each case and such Members may share time; the statement of each other Member called upon shall not exceed ten minutes in each case; and a Minister or a Minister of State shall be called upon to make a statement in reply that shall not exceed five minutes.  </p><p>On the conclusion of the statements, No. 3<i>a</i>, motion re establishment of a special committee on housing and homelessness, shall be taken without debate and the D&aacute;il on its rising shall adjourn until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 20 April 2016 and the only business to be transacted on that day shall be, by order, agreed on that day.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.8" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="14:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400004#B00200"><p>There are five proposals to be put the House, the first of which concerns the motion to establish a special committee on housing and homelessness.  Is that agreed?  Agreed.  Is the proposal regarding the arrangements for dealing with the nomination of Taoiseach agreed to?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.9" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1330" speakername="Gerry Adams" time="14:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400004#B00300"><p>Not agreed.  I propose that we postpone this section and allow for more urgent and meaningful debates on issues that are pressing down on people, for example, health, the Luas dispute, NAMA and Moore Street.  Today's vote, if it goes ahead, will be inconclusive.  We should ask those who want to be nominated to go off and discuss policy matters which we understand they have not yet discussed.  The D&aacute;il has met only four times in seven weeks.  There are major issues affecting citizens, from homelessness to child poverty, health, water charges and industrial agreements, that we should be usefully discussing.  I propose that we allow these discussions to proceed and that we put off the election until there is a proposition that can be conclusive.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.10" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="14:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400004#B00400"><p>I do not doubt the seriousness of all of the issues the Deputy raises, but the proposal before us concerns constitutional business and precedent dictates that constitutional business must take precedence over everything else.  Therefore, I am afraid that we cannot take the direction the Deputy is suggesting.  Neither should he nor I pre-empt what the House will decide to do in the possible nomination of a Taoiseach.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.11" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1229" speakername="Billy Kelleher" time="14:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400004#B00500"><p>He is only recently attached to this House.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.12" nospeaker="true" time="14:35:00" ><p>Question, &quot;That the proposal regarding the arrangements for dealing with the nomination of Taoiseach be agreed to,&quot; put and declared carried.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.13" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="14:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400004#B00700"><p>Is the proposal regarding the arrangements for the making of statements on housing and homelessness agreed to?  Agreed.  Is the proposal for the taking without debate of the motion to establish a special committee on housing and homelessness agreed to?  Agreed.  Is the proposal regarding the adjournment of the House until next Wednesday at 10.30 a.m. agreed to?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.14" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1322" speakername="Bernard Durkan" time="14:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400004#B00800"><p>Agreed.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.15" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1330" speakername="Gerry Adams" time="14:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400004#B00900"><p>Not agreed.  We are very well paid to do a job.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.16" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1251" speakername="Simon Harris" time="14:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400004#B01000"><p>The Deputy only takes the average industrial wage.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.17" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="14:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400004#B01100"><p>One speaker, please.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.18" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1330" speakername="Gerry Adams" time="14:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400004#B01200"><p>There are Ministers in place who were sacked by the electorate but who are implementing policies for which they have no mandate and that the majority of Teachta&iacute; D&aacute;la were mandated to change.</p><p>We are going to come in here for a few hours and then go off again until next week.  The Ceann Comhairle rightly acknowledges the seriousness of the issues I have raised.  We have no monopoly on these issues - let me be clear about this - but why are we not discussing these issues, holding Ministers to account and trying to bring about some resolution?</p> <p> We argued last week to have an Oireachtas committee put together to deal with the housing emergency.  We were disallowed.  I am not objecting to that as the Ceann Comhairle did what he believed was appropriate.  We are now dealing with it but a week has been lost.  We need to give people some sense that this bubble is not what envelops everyone in here, that we are conscious of what we were sent here to do and that we will come back tomorrow, the next day and the next.  If the two leaders of Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael want to cavort with each other, that should not stop us in the meantime from getting along with the business we were sent here to deal with.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.20" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1359" speakername="Finian McGrath" time="14:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400005#C00200"><p>I am very disappointed about what is going on in the House regarding D&aacute;il structures, the wider issues in society and the major problems that are being experienced.  Not reconvening until next Wednesday is unacceptable.  We are all paid Deputies.  Some of us, I accept, are working on trying to form a Government while others are staying off the pitch; that is their choice.  However, the bottom line is that a sitting next week is too far away.  We should be getting down to business and getting on with tackling some of the issues, such as health, disability and cystic fibrosis, and the considerable housing issues.  We need to get on with addressing these.  Staying off the pitch again by not sitting until next Wednesday is not acceptable.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.21" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1287" speakername="Donnchadh &Oacute; Laoghaire" time="14:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400005#C00300"><p>Gabh mo leithsc&eacute;al.  I support the proposal made by Deputy Adams.  We should be sitting an extra day next week.  An excuse of constitutional business has been offered.  Obviously, constitutional business is very important but if we are to continue to come back week after week without this being rectified and without dealing with the issues, it is unacceptable.  I am sure that, like many other Deputies, I picked up-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.22" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1228" speakername="Darragh O'Brien" time="14:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400005#C00400"><p>What is Sinn F&eacute;in going to do to help as a party?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.23" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1287" speakername="Donnchadh &Oacute; Laoghaire" time="14:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400005#C00500"><p>If the Deputy gives me a second-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.24" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="14:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400005#C00600"><p>Just one voice, please.  I ask Deputy &Oacute; Laoghaire to conclude his remarks.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.25" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1287" speakername="Donnchadh &Oacute; Laoghaire" time="14:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400005#C00700"><p>Along with a number of Deputies, I am sure, I have encountered many issues of local and regional importance.  It is high time that we considered some model, such as the taking of a Topical Issue debate next week.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.26" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="14:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400005#C00800"><p>The Deputy has made his point.  He should please resume his seat.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.27" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1287" speakername="Donnchadh &Oacute; Laoghaire" time="14:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400005#C00900"><p>There are issues of particular urgency in my constituency.  For example, the dockyard in Passage West requires the attention of the Office of Public Works.  There needs to be some kind of avenue whereby we can tease out these issues with Ministers.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.28" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="14:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400005#C01000"><p>The Deputy&rsquo;s leader has spoken and he has made his point.  There is no need for it to be further emphasised.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.29/1" nospeaker="true" time="14:50:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400006#D00100"><p>Question put: "That the Dáil on its rising today shall adjourn until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 20 April 2016."</p><p>The Dáil divided: Tá, 100; Níl, 55.</p><br/><p>Tellers: Tá, Deputies Paul Kehoe and Michael Moynihan; Níl, Deputies Eoin Ó Broin and Aengus Ó Snodaigh.</p></speech>
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                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1283" vote="aye">Michael Moynihan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1262" vote="aye">Margaret Murphy O'Mahony</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1282" vote="aye">Dara Murphy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1295" vote="aye">Eoghan Murphy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1342" vote="aye">Eugene Murphy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1315" vote="aye">Hildegarde Naughton</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1328" vote="aye">Tom Neville</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1326" vote="aye">Michael Noonan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1312" vote="aye">&Eacute;amon &Oacute; Cu&iacute;v</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1228" vote="aye">Darragh O'Brien</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1296" vote="aye">Jim O'Callaghan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1297" vote="aye">Kate O'Connell</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1227" vote="aye">Willie O'Dea</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1267" vote="aye">Patrick O'Donovan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1329" vote="aye">Fergus O'Dowd</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1278" vote="aye">Kevin O'Keeffe</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1257" vote="aye">Fiona O'Loughlin</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1324" vote="aye">Frank O'Rourke</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1325" vote="aye">Jan O'Sullivan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1370" vote="aye">Willie Penrose</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1265" vote="aye">John Paul Phelan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1231" vote="aye">Anne Rabbitte</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1334" vote="aye">Michael Ring</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1304" vote="aye">Noel Rock</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1301" vote="aye">Brendan  Ryan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1344" vote="aye">Eamon Scanlon</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1270" vote="aye">Brendan Smith</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1271" vote="aye">Niamh Smyth</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1277" vote="aye">David Stanton</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1250" vote="aye">Robert Troy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1236" vote="aye">Leo Varadkar</mpname>
                </mplist>
                <mplist vote="no">
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1330" vote="no">Gerry Adams</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1281" vote="no">Mick Barry</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1238" vote="no">Richard Boyd Barrett</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1252" vote="no">John Brady</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1361" vote="no">Tommy Broughan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1279" vote="no">Pat Buckley</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1260" vote="no">Se&aacute;n Canney</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1306" vote="no">Joan Collins</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1263" vote="no">Michael Collins</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1316" vote="no">Catherine Connolly</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1254" vote="no">Ruth Coppinger</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1309" vote="no">Se&aacute;n Crowe</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" vote="no">David Cullinane</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1259" vote="no">Clare Daly</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1288" vote="no">Pearse Doherty</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1230" vote="no">Stephen Donnelly</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1317" vote="no">Martin Ferris</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1341" vote="no">Michael Fitzmaurice</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1266" vote="no">Kathleen Funchion</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1313" vote="no">Noel Grealish</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1351" vote="no">John Halligan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1275" vote="no">Michael Harty</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1348" vote="no">S&eacute;amus Healy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1320" vote="no">Danny Healy-Rae</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1319" vote="no">Michael Healy-Rae</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1299" vote="no">Gino Kenny</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1345" vote="no">Martin Kenny</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1239" vote="no">Mary Lou McDonald</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1359" vote="no">Finian McGrath</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1347" vote="no">Mattie McGrath</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1242" vote="no">Catherine Martin</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1362" vote="no">Denise Mitchell</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1363" vote="no">Kevin  Moran</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1333" vote="no">Imelda Munster</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1226" vote="no">Catherine Murphy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1308" vote="no">Paul Murphy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1234" vote="no">Denis Naughten</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1340" vote="no">Carol Nolan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1215" vote="no">Eoin &Oacute; Broin</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1269" vote="no">Caoimhgh&iacute;n &Oacute; Caol&aacute;in</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1287" vote="no">Donnchadh &Oacute; Laoghaire</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1305" vote="no">Aengus &Oacute; Snodaigh</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1280" vote="no">Jonathan O'Brien</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1302" vote="no">Louise O'Reilly</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1291" vote="no">Maureen O'Sullivan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1366" vote="no">Thomas Pringle</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1327" vote="no">Maurice Quinlivan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1213" vote="no">Shane Ross</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1294" vote="no">Eamon Ryan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1222" vote="no">R&oacute;is&iacute;n Shortall</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1367" vote="no">Br&iacute;d Smith</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1232" vote="no">Brian Stanley</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1235" vote="no">Peadar T&oacute;ib&iacute;n</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1355" vote="no">Mick Wallace</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1358" vote="no">Katherine Zappone</mpname>
                </mplist>
        </division>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.29/3" nospeaker="true" time="14:50:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400006#D00100"><p>Question declared carried.</p></speech>
    <major-heading id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.30" nospeaker="true" time="14:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400007#G00100">Nomination of Taoiseach (Resumed)</major-heading>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.31" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="14:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400007#G00200"><p>I will now receive nominations for the position of Taoiseach.  I call Deputy Noel Rock.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.32" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1229" speakername="Billy Kelleher" time="14:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400007#G00300"><p>You surely have it off by heart by now.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.33" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1304" speakername="Noel Rock" time="14:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400007#G00400"><p>Tairgim:</p><blockquote>Go n-ainmneoidh D&aacute;il &Eacute;ireann an Teachta Enda Kenny chun a cheaptha ag an Uachtar&aacute;n mar Thaoiseach.</blockquote><p>I move:</p><blockquote>That D&aacute;il &Eacute;ireann nominate Deputy Enda Kenny for appointment by the President to be Taoiseach.</blockquote></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.34" nospeaker="true" time="14:55:00" ><p>(Interruptions).</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.35" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="14:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400007#G00600"><p>Please have some respect for a colleague.  Deputy Rock has the floor.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.36" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1304" speakername="Noel Rock" time="14:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400007#G00700"><p>As we all know, the Thirty-second D&aacute;il is more diverse than any since the foundation of the State.</p><p>The traditional rules of Government formation no longer apply and we must embrace a new way of working together if we are to achieve the society we all want.  Fine Gael wants a strong economy and a fair society.  We want thriving communities in urban and rural Ireland.  We want a country that looks after its people from the cradle through to their senior years.  We want a country where nobody is left behind and where everybody is given the opportunity to succeed.</p> <p> Since the general election, Deputy Enda Kenny has worked tirelessly to ensure the country has a stable and lasting Government.  He has had very positive engagement with Independents and, together, they have approached discussions on the formation of a Government in a sincere and constructive way.  The meetings have lasted for more than 50 hours, with wide-ranging policy debates on delivery for the people of Ireland.</p> <p> Since I last took to my feet to nominate Deputy Enda Kenny as Taoiseach, a number of events have taken place.  In the national interest he has proposed a full partnership Government, including Fine Gael, Fianna F&aacute;il and Independents as he believes this is the best option for the country.  A full partnership would be lasting and stable.  It would be a Government based on parity of esteem, consensus building, mutual respect and collective decision-making.  Deputy Enda Kenny has made every effort and shown his commitment since the general election to form a stable Government.  The offer would have brought together the two largest parties in the State in an historic partnership and was, I believe, a bold offer and one worth making.  I regret it has not been accepted to date, but Deputy Enda Kenny remains determined to ensure Ireland will have a stable Government to address the many challenges facing the country and work to improve the lives of the people.</p> <p> Theodore Roosevelt once said, "In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing."  We have taken on the responsibility of doing something.  Deputy Enda Kenny has taken on the responsibility of forming a new Government in a reasonable and responsible reform-minded way.  We are doing something and it is our intention to form a Government that will work for the people and one that will last.  Meanwhile, some are playing a game of party first, pass-the-parcel politics, on which they should be challenged.  These parties cannot even enter a room to have exploratory discussions with others.  The people have found that their votes have simply been wasted on certain parties which are more interested in being commentators than decision-makers.</p> <p> Where we are today is not without precedent.  In 1989 there were three attempts at nominating a Taoiseach, yet progress is clearly being made.  Members of all parties and none are willing to talk, compromise, come to the table and take on the difficult job of creating a Government in this fractious Thirty-second D&aacute;il.  Their efforts and commitment should be commended.  It is far easier to play the role of observer than it is to play the role of participant.  I know that the people I represent in Dublin North-West appreciate the efforts of all those Independents who have worked in an honest fashion to try to put together a new Government.  While 14 of them have announced an abstention today, I am hopeful they will continue to engage in the work of creating a Government.  It is in the spirit of working in an honest fashion to try to put together a new Government that I am proud to once again nominate Deputy Enda Kenny as Taoiseach.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.38" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1307" speakername="Catherine Byrne" time="15:00:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400008#H00200"><p>It is my honour and privilege to second the nomination of Deputy Enda Kenny as Taoiseach in the Thirty-second D&aacute;il.  The people have voted, but 48 days on we are still without agreement on who will be the leader of the country.  We have a duty to work together to have a stable Government as a matter of urgency.  It is time we set aside our egos and focused on what needs to be done for the good of the citizens of the country.  Now, more than ever before, the country needs a strong leader and I believe Deputy Enda Kenny is the best person for the job.  He is a man of integrity, great compassion and vision.  He has shown great leadership and immense courage in recent weeks.  I firmly believe that, as Taoiseach, he would steer the country on the right path and continue to work hard to face the many challenges that lie ahead in the Thirty-second D&aacute;il.  I, therefore, formally propose to D&aacute;il &Eacute;ireann his election as Taoiseach.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.39" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1336" speakername="Lisa Chambers" time="15:00:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400008#H00300"><p>I propose that D&aacute;il &Eacute;ireann nominate Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin for appointment by the President to be Taoiseach.</p><p>Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin is very well qualified to undertake the duties of the office of Taoiseach.  In nominating Deputy Martin, Fianna F&aacute;il is remaining firm in its commitment to implement a change of Government.  Deputy Martin is still making every effort to form a Fianna F&aacute;il-led minority Government.  The discussions with Independent Deputies to date have been very detailed, welcome and constructive, and these talks have been respectful and have involved debates on policy priority rather than being surrounded by spin.  Deputy Martin remains determined to make every effort to ensure that the promises our party made prior to this election are implemented, namely, our fully costed policies on tackling homelessness, securing home ownership, creating decent jobs and supporting enterprise, cutting family costs and improving services that families need and tackling crime and developing community services.</p> <p> To try to dismiss the divisions of today as Civil War politics is superficial and dismissive.  One of the most striking things in recent days has been the number of people who have decided that Fianna F&aacute;il has no right to keep its word.  We do not deny the right of others to criticise or oppose Fianna F&aacute;il but we will never accept the right to dismiss a commitment that we made as a party before the general election to more than 500,000 voters as being defined only by events of nearly a century ago.  If we want to rebuild trust in Irish politics, is it not a good place to start to end the days of "Isn't that what you do during an election?"  Election promises must mean something or we will never have the trust of the Irish people.</p> <p> We have moved from a party system similar to Britain's to one which is very close to what one sees throughout Europe, where minority Governments are commonplace.  They can work well but we need fundamentally to change how we do our business in this House and in the Seanad to make them work.  That is why D&aacute;il reform is key.  Strong majority Governments can be arrogant, divisive and unfair, and we need to move towards a political system which ends the days of dominant governance of one party and one which gives every Deputy the right and the obligation to participate in the work of the Oireachtas.  Deputy Martin's call for a major push on parliamentary reform has thankfully be taken up, and in the coming weeks we will hopefully see an Oireachtas which is more expert and effective in its work.  Yet no reform is more important than breaking the idea that the only legitimate form of Government is a solid majority Government.  If we have learned anything from the last few decades, surely it is that we need to change the way we govern our country.  Minority Governments can work if people are willing to try, and they represent a much truer reflection of our society, where all, and not just some, of the people's representatives get to play a role.  There must be security that Government can do its core business but there is absolutely no need for a Government to have the first, last and only say on every matter.</p> <p> Deputy Martin has shown his strong personal commitment to reforming our Oireachtas and Irish politics, and his political CV speaks for itself.  First elected in 1989, having served as a Minster in education, health, enterprise and foreign affairs and having a long-established involvement in Northern Ireland affairs, he is uniquely well qualified to do this job.  He has represented this country and our Government with distinction on both the national and international stages and is exceptionally well regarded in Irish politics.  As Leader of the Opposition over the past five years, he has consistently opposed Government policies which were unfair and hit the most vulnerable the hardest and has campaigned tirelessly for a fairer and more inclusive Ireland, one which values every citizen equally.</p> <p> The majority of Deputies in this in this House today, myself included, campaigned for a change of Government.  The people gave their verdict on the outgoing Government and its policies, and it is clear they voted for change.  On that basis I believe we must do the same in this Chamber today.  A clear choice is being presented to all Deputies in this House today, and I emphasise the word "all".  We either vote or act in a way that re-elects Deputy Enda Kenny as Taoiseach or we choose an alternative and vote to elect Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin as Taoiseach.  That is the choice before the House today.  If Deputies sit on their hands or vote against Deputy Martin, they are effectively putting Deputy Kenny back in as Taoiseach to lead a Fine Gael minority Government.  The people may not have been entirely clear on who they wanted to lead this Government but they were very clear on who they did not want.  By voting for Deputy Martin as Taoiseach, Deputies would be honouring that commitment to implement change and opting to take our country on a fairer and more inclusive path.</p><p>My party colleagues and I consider him to be uniquely well qualified to lead the country towards the realisation of our shared objective - an Ireland for all.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.42" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1225" speakername="Thomas Byrne" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K00200"><p>Taca&iacute;m le moladh an Teachta Chambers ainm an Teachta Miche&aacute;l Martin a chur os comhair na D&aacute;la agus &eacute; a chur faoi bhr&aacute;id an Uachtar&aacute;in go gceapfa&iacute; &eacute; mar Thaoiseach ar an t&iacute;r seo.  Go deimhin, t&aacute; Fianna F&aacute;il ag d&eacute;anamh a l&aacute;n iarrachta&iacute; chun Rialtas mionlaigh a chur le ch&eacute;ile.  T&aacute; a l&aacute;n cainteanna ar si&uacute;l againn agus a l&aacute;n iarrachta&iacute; &aacute; nd&eacute;anamh againn.  Ach mar bhunprionsabal againn t&aacute; na polasaithe a chuireamar os comhair an phobail roimh an olltoghch&aacute;n.  Anois, sa Teach seo, t&aacute; rogha ann idir bheirt fhear, ach, i nd&aacute;ir&iacute;re, rogha idir dh&aacute; shl&iacute; - sl&iacute; amh&aacute;in agus sl&iacute; eile - at&aacute; ann.  T&aacute; muideanna go l&eacute;ir anseo chun rogha a dh&eacute;anamh.  N&iacute;or sheol muintir na h&Eacute;ireann anseo sinn chun a bheith in&aacute;r su&iacute; gan rogha &aacute; dh&eacute;anamh againn agus an freagracht &aacute; chur ar dhaoine eile.  T&aacute; freagracht orainn go l&eacute;ir agus t&aacute; cumhacht againn go l&eacute;ir.  T&aacute; daoine sa Teach seo agus iad ag lorg Rialtas le m&oacute;ramh ollmh&oacute;r ach n&iacute; bheidh a leith&eacute;id de Rialtas ar&iacute;s ann.  Ina ionad, beidh p&aacute;irtn&eacute;ireacht, ach p&aacute;irtn&eacute;ireacht idir an Rialtas agus an Pharlaimint a bheidh ann.  T&aacute; r&oacute;l agus cumhacht againn go l&eacute;ir agus freagracht orainn go l&eacute;ir maidir le sin.  M&aacute; t&aacute;imid ag iarraidh dul s&iacute;os an b&oacute;thar sin, caithfimid taca&iacute;ocht a thabhairt don Teachta Miche&aacute;l Martin inniu sa D&aacute;il.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.43" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K00300"><p>We now have 30 minutes for further contributions.  I ask Members to be brief.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.44" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K00400"><p>When the D&aacute;il last met to debate this issue, the Labour Party made clear our position.  The process around forming a government has left a lot of people scratching their heads.  The D&aacute;il is meeting again today despite no clear outcome of meetings between the two biggest parties and the Independents.  There is no agreed programme for Government and no evidence of any arrangement that could bring about stability, unless, of course, after today people sit down to look again at the options.  Here we are again today, and not as happy as can be.  It appears that the whole process has broken down once more.</p>  <p>  The fact is that Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael have the numbers.  The current situation requires a clear engagement by Fianna F&aacute;il to agree the provision of a government - perhaps that is some element of what Deputy Lisa Chambers has been saying.  Instead we have continued prevarication by Fianna F&aacute;il, for its own naked political reasons and contrary to the country's best interests when we face challenges in the future.</p>  <p>  The current behaviour of Fianna F&aacute;il brings to mind, as I stated last week, similar self-interested decisions taken back in the 1970s to abolish rates, which was a bad decision and which subsequently backfired.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.45" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1222" speakername="R&oacute;is&iacute;n Shortall" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K00500"><p>The 1970s worries.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.46" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1274" speakername="Timmy Dooley" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K00600"><p>The T&aacute;naiste should look at her own record more recently.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.47" nospeaker="true" time="15:20:00" ><p>(Interruptions).</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.48" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1347" speakername="Mattie McGrath" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K00800"><p>Burn the bondholders.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.49" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K00900"><p>Order.  Only one speaker, please.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.50" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K01000"><p>Sinn F&eacute;in continues to put the interest of the party-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.51" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1222" speakername="R&oacute;is&iacute;n Shortall" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K01100"><p>The past five years.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.52" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K01200"><p>-----above those of the country.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.53" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1274" speakername="Timmy Dooley" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K01300"><p>The election is over.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.54" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K01400"><p>Its Members are sitting on their hands-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.55" speakerid="unknown" error="nomatch" speakername="A Deputy" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K01500"><p>What is the Labour Party doing?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.56" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1347" speakername="Mattie McGrath" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K01600"><p>What is the Labour Party doing?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.57" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1335" speakername="Dara Calleary" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K01700"><p>What is the Labour Party doing?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.58" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K01800"><p>-----shouting from the sidelines and hugging themselves with delight at how clever they all are-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.59" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1347" speakername="Mattie McGrath" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K01900"><p>Mind Alan behind the T&aacute;naiste.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.60" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1274" speakername="Timmy Dooley" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K02000"><p>Look at the lad beside you and you are still getting to know how clever you are.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.61" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K02100"><p>-----with no intention of putting their shoulder to the wheel to progress the issues that they pretend to care about.  In contrast, the Labour Party, in 2011, did not hesitate while our country was at risk.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.62" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1221" speakername="Niall Collins" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K02200"><p>What about now?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.63" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K02300"><p>In Government over the past five years, the Labour Party succeeded at a very difficult time in this country's history in making Ireland a better place, economically and socially - not the best place because we still have to get  there.  That is, we hope, what some of these discussions are about.</p><p>We entered coalition in the full knowledge of how difficult things would be because our country was in a perilous state.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.64" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1305" speakername="Aengus &Oacute; Snodaigh" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K02400"><p>It is sad she is still a cheerleader for Fine Gael.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.65" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1269" speakername="Caoimhgh&iacute;n &Oacute; Caol&aacute;in" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K02500"><p>The T&aacute;naiste should take her head out of the sand.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.66" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K02600"><p>We had lost 330,000 jobs, we were about to lose more and a government was essential, just as a government is essential to the country now.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.67" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1274" speakername="Timmy Dooley" time="15:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400010#K02700"><p>Was the Tesco advertisement essential?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.68" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L00100"><p>The Labour Party passionately believes in progressive politics.  That is why we believe any programme for Government should include an ambitious housing package to address the crisis in the sector.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.69" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1274" speakername="Timmy Dooley" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L00200"><p>Deputy Alan Kelly was in the Department and did not do much about it.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.70" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1221" speakername="Niall Collins" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L00300"><p>The T&aacute;naiste is like Comical Ali.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.71" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L00400"><p>We put the money there, and the House will have the opportunity to debate it.  Any programme for Government should also include an absolute commitment to eradicating child poverty and putting in place the structures and policies needed to make this ambition a reality.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.72" nospeaker="true" time="15:30:00" ><p>(Interruptions).</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.73" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1274" speakername="Timmy Dooley" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L00600"><p>Why did the T&aacute;naiste not do it when she was in the Department?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.74" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L00700"><p>It should also include a commitment to increase the minimum wage progressively to deliver a living wage for all working people and to improve conditions at work and the law on work for working people-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.75" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L00800"><p>Could the T&aacute;naiste conclude?  There are a number of other speakers.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.76" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L00900"><p>-----reducing the cost of living for families across Ireland through supporting child care costs, recognising the need to reduce carbon emissions, repealing the eight amendment-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.77" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1254" speakername="Ruth Coppinger" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L01000"><p>Come on.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.78" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L01100"><p>-----and having, from the Thirty-second D&aacute;il, real tax justice and reform.  We have seen the revelations from Panama.  We must ensure individuals and firms pay their fair share of tax, no more and no less.  In light of the failure to produce a programme for Government that addresses these issues in a serious way, the Labour Party is not in a position to support any of the candidates for Taoiseach before the House.  We are at a crossroads.  As I said last week, the Civil War is over.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.79" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1229" speakername="Billy Kelleher" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L01200"><p>The revolution is over as well.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.80" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L01300"><p>We need responsible parties to allow for the provision of a Government and to put our country first.  Those who have a mandate to form a Government should do so.  Members talk about why people voted for them.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.81" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1227" speakername="Willie O'Dea" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L01400"><p>I wonder why they voted for the T&aacute;naiste.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.82" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L01500"><p>Where parties have the numbers, people voted for them to form a Government.  They should go and do it.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.83" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L01600"><p>If everybody takes as much time, we will get through only six Deputies, and a number of Deputies are offering.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.84" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" speakername="Joan Burton" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L01700"><p>We will not interrupt.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.85" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L01800"><p>I accept that.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.86" nospeaker="true" time="15:30:00" ><p>(Interruptions).</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.87" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L02000"><p>Can we have respect for Deputy Cullinane please?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.88" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" speakername="David Cullinane" time="15:30:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400011#L02100"><p>I will oppose both nominations for Taoiseach that have been put forward today.  I did not interrupt anybody.  I sat here and listened to all the contributions from people who proposed both candidates.  Although the Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael Members talk about D&aacute;il reform, when people take to their feet they heckle and shout.  This does not seem much like D&aacute;il reform.  I am entitled to be treated with respect and have my say.  I will have my say, please, uninterrupted and without being heckled by people from Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael.  While they may not like what I have to say, I have the right to say it.  I have not even started, and both parties are already heckling.</p>  <p>  This is Groundhog Day.  We have been here three times.  We know the vote will be inconclusive, a farce and a charade, and it will anger people who are watching and asking why we are going through the motions.  This is one reason for which I will strongly oppose the nominations that have been proposed, although it is not the main reason.  The main reason is that the two people nominated have been responsible for creating deep inequality in society.  Today's report from UNICEF showed that one third of children in the State are going without basic needs such as proper housing, access to health care and even adequate food.  This came from the policies of Fianna F&aacute;il, which also created inequality, Fine Gael and the Labour Party, which also played its part in increasing child poverty.  This is why I will not support either nomination.</p>  <p>  In the spirit of what has been said about reform, we want to be part of a progressive bloc in the Chamber and work constructively with all parties on all these issues.  I appeal to people, Independents and others, who stood in the election on a policy platform of opposing the policies of Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael and who talked about problems in hospitals, housing, health care and child care.  They need to work with those who are genuinely interested in dealing with the real issues of poverty.  While they are in talks with these conservative parties, they should know that neither Deputy Enda Kenny nor Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin will end the two-tier health service or deal with the homelessness and housing crisis.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.89" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1229" speakername="Billy Kelleher" time="15:40:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400012#M00100"><p>The Deputy wants both of them in government together.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.90" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" speakername="David Cullinane" time="15:40:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400012#M00200"><p>We will be part of a progressive bloc of people in this Chamber who want to change society for the better and bring about decent public services for citizens.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.91" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1274" speakername="Timmy Dooley" time="15:40:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400012#M00300"><p>That is why the Deputy's colleagues spent a lot of time eradicating people.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.92" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" speakername="David Cullinane" time="15:40:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400012#M00400"><p>For that reason, I will not be voting for either of the two people who have been nominated here today.  I strongly oppose the farce to which we have been subjected on three occasions.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.93" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1353" speakername="Brendan Howlin" time="15:40:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400012#M00500"><p>It is democracy.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.94" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" speakername="David Cullinane" time="15:40:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400012#M00600"><p>We have been brought here on three occasions to go through the motions on this while there are many pressing issues facing the people of this State.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.95" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="15:40:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400012#M00700"><p>I call Deputy Margaret Murphy O'Mahony to make her maiden speech.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.96" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1262" speakername="Margaret Murphy O'Mahony" time="15:40:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400012#M00800"><p>Is m&oacute;r an on&oacute;ir &iacute; dom bheith anseo inniu mar Theachta D&aacute;la nua Fhianna F&aacute;il do Chorcaigh Thiar Theas.  I am honoured and humbled to be making my maiden speech as a newly elected Fianna F&aacute;il Deputy for the wonderful and beautiful constituency of Cork South-West.  May I start by supporting the nomination of my party leader, Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin, for Taoiseach?  Deputy Martin, who has a proven track record and immense experience, is a man of the utmost integrity, capability, intellect and honesty.  He will go down in history for introducing the smoking ban, which was the single most important public health measure of recent times.  He is also lauded and respected for his work in the area of special needs while Minister for Education and Science.  His legacy in these areas, among others, lives on for the benefit of our nation.</p>  <p>  I suggest the incoming Government will have to satisfactorily address and resolve the issues that are pressing upon the already hard-pressed people of Cork South-West.  I believe west Cork is the most beautiful place on earth.  Its proud and vibrant people have been struggling valiantly under the outgoing Government.  The issues in Cork South-West that need to be addressed by the incoming Government include the completion of flood relief and drainage works and the improvement of broadband and mobile telephone coverage to attract small and medium-sized enterprises and thereby create local jobs.  The condition of the roads in west Cork has reached a crisis point in some places.  All the while, a percentage of our road tax in Cork is going to Irish Water.  More social housing needs to be provided.  Leader funding needs to be restored.  The difficulties facing farmers and fishermen need to be addressed.  A core principle for me is the need to safeguard the viability of rural communities by ensuring they are not left behind in a two-tier recovery.  I am committed to supporting and advocating for the development of rural parish communities and balanced regional development to ensure adequate service provision in all communities.  I appreciate the honour and privilege bestowed on me by the fine people of Cork South-West.  I will ensure that as we go forward, any financial recovery will be felt by every man, woman and child in west Cork.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.97" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="15:40:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400012#M00900"><p>I call Deputy Catherine Martin, who is also making her maiden contribution.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.98" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1242" speakername="Catherine Martin" time="15:40:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400012#M01000"><p>Toisc gurb &iacute; seo an ch&eacute;ad uair dom labhairt sa D&aacute;il, ba mhaith liom i dt&uacute;s b&aacute;ire mo bhu&iacute;ochas a ghabh&aacute;il le muintir Bhaile &Aacute;tha Cliath - R&aacute;th an D&uacute;in as an on&oacute;ir seo a thabhairt dom agus as a gcuid muin&iacute;ne ioman a l&eacute;iri&uacute; chun ionada&iacute;ocht a dhe&aacute;namh ar a son sa Dara D&aacute;il is Tr&iacute;ocha.  As this is my first time to speak in this House, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the people of Dublin Rathdown for giving me the privilege and honour of representing them in the Thirty-second D&aacute;il.  Like many newly elected Deputies, I am relishing the opportunity to do my utmost to fulfil my mandate by doing my best to deliver on the many pressing and real issues that affect people's daily lives.</p>  <p>  This shameful delay of 47 days, and counting, is obstructing and impeding us from doing the urgent work we were elected to do.  This delay and level of obstructionism would put in the ha'penny place the obstructionist tactics deployed in a different time by the Irish Parliamentary Party MP, Joseph Biggar, in the House of Commons in the late 19th century.  The obstruction then was due to excessive talking, whereas the obstruction now is due to a refusal to talk or seek solutions.  The stance adopted by political parties in refusing to consider forming the most stable Government to serve the people has been disingenuously represented by certain people as somehow linked to the national interest.</p><p>How can the current strangulation of representative democracy, a choking of the workings of D&aacute;il &Eacute;ireann, be in the national interest?  This reckless approach cares little for the tackling of the unprecedented crisis of homelessness, the escalating rent crisis, hospital waiting lists and climate justice.  Lest any party has forgotten, it is important to remind them of the obvious, namely, no one party won the general election.  Unfortunately, it seems the people have lost.  Some political parties refuse to face up to and accept this new political reality.  They refuse to accept the change for which the people voted in February.  In the words of George Bernard Shaw, "Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything".</p> <p> It is all too easy to make noise, instil division, create dissent, divide and score points.  The contrived party policy differences and the point blank refusal of some to consider even talking to others who also have a democratic mandate is unacceptable.  Enough is enough.  The only losers in this charade are the people.  It behoves political parties to act in the best interests of the people of Ireland, not themselves or their parties.  While some members have worked hard and displayed some political courage, others have not, choosing instead to sit on their hands for the past seven weeks.  Deputies are not elected to be silent or to run for the hills to take cover when the going gets tough.  Now is the time when members should step up and speak up for the people who elected them.  Put people before party politics.  </p> <p> Government formation should not be hijacked by self-serving party political concerns.  The people are sovereign and have spoken.  Given the current fragility of the Irish economic recovery, I implore elected Members to lead and to not be led by a cohort of party political membership, whose only concern in terms of stability appears to be concern for party political stability, party consolidation or party growth.  This abysmal lack of leadership might yet require the President, in what would be an unprecedented step, to consider exercising his absolute discretion to steer a way forward for the Thirty-second D&aacute;il.  It is never too late to take the best course of action for Ireland.  The most stable and compatible option is, of course, Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il, or is that Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael?  It might come as news to people in their party cocoons but the vast majority of people do not care in which order those party names are used but they do passionately care about their families and their country's future.</p> <p> Is f&eacute;idir linn f&iacute;s nua a l&eacute;iri&uacute; do mhuintir na t&iacute;re m&aacute; t&aacute;imid s&aacute;sta comhoibri&uacute; le ch&eacute;ile agus bealach ceannr&oacute;da&iacute;och a th&oacute;g&aacute;il don todhcha&iacute;.  Seo &iacute; uair na cinni&uacute;na.  Seo &iacute; an uair le haghaidh cr&oacute;gacht agus ceannaireacht.  Now is the time to show real leadership.  Stop hiding behind what parties claim is in the national interest when clearly it is not.  It is time to do what is in the national interest.  It is way past time to put the country first and form a stable Government.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.100" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="15:50:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400013#N00200"><p>I again appeal to members to be relatively brief, please.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.101" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1213" speakername="Shane Ross" time="15:50:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400013#N00300"><p>As the House will be aware, as in the case of other Independent Deputies, the Independent Alliance has been in discussions with both the Fine Gael Party and the Fianna F&aacute;il Party for many weeks.  Most of those discussions have been constructive and useful and, in some cases, progressive.  Progress is being made.  We are getting used to being love-bombed by both parties.  The problem, however, is that neither of those parties will love-bomb each other.  Whereas the channel of communication between the Independent Alliance and both parties is good when they talk to each other, the civil war politics immediately emerges.  That is unacceptable.  Moves by us to bring these two sides together have either been ignored or deliberately misunderstood.</p><p>Those who say there is play-acting going on should realise that it is time this ended and that Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il got together and made some immediate and urgent steps to give this country a Government.</p> <p> The result of the frustration which is being felt by the people was manifest at a meeting that we held today, which was attended by nearly all the Independents who participated in the process.  We issued a statement afterwards saying that if Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il could not get together, as we said last weekend, we would have to facilitate talks on a specific agenda.  That agenda is this: Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il should treat each other with the parity of esteem which is necessary in this unique situation.  In other words, Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il should recognise that if there is a democratic vote in this assembly which gives one party supremacy or leadership over the other, they must mutually agree that they will respect that vote, go into a minority Government with the leading party and support it in that way.  It must be mutual.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.103" speakerid="unknown" error="nomatch" speakername="Deputies" time="15:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400014#O00200"><p>Hear, hear.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.104" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1213" speakername="Shane Ross" time="15:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400014#O00300"><p>It is unacceptable and undemocratic for anybody to say that they want it from one side but not from the other.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.105" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1221" speakername="Niall Collins" time="15:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400014#O00400"><p>Fianna F&aacute;il said that a week ago.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.106" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1213" speakername="Shane Ross" time="15:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400014#O00500"><p>I think it is wrong that Independents have, to some extent, been the victims of - or the meat in the sandwich regarding - this joust which is taking place.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.107" nospeaker="true" time="15:55:00" ><p>(Interruptions).</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.108" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1213" speakername="Shane Ross" time="15:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400014#O00700"><p>One of the reasons we are abstaining is that we do not like receiving ultimatums from any party that we should vote one way today or it will get off the pitch.  We do not respond to that.  As a result of this, of the activities which are going on and of the refusal of one party to recognise the rights of the other, we will be abstaining from this vote and withdrawing from the talks between the parties in order to facilitate an immediate agreement between them until they meet those particular requirements which we have requested today.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.109" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1330" speakername="Gerry Adams" time="15:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400014#O00800"><p>Mar a d&uacute;irt m&eacute; n&iacute;os luaithe, n&iacute; h&eacute; seo ach an ceathr&uacute; uair a th&aacute;inig an D&aacute;il le ch&eacute;ile &oacute;n toghch&aacute;n.  T&aacute; an pobal m&iacute;sh&aacute;sta nach f&eacute;idir le na seanph&aacute;irtithe teacht ar r&eacute;iteach.  T&aacute; an pobal i gceart faoi seo.</p>  <p>  We have heard, once again, the many virtues of the leaders of Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael and I no doubt everyone will consider these fine qualities when we come to vote, or not to vote.  Of course, we will not consider or discuss the real world outside of this Leinster House bubble.  We will not discuss the 1,972 citizens who have been on hospitals trolleys since the House last met, over 192 of whom were to be found at Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital in my constituency.  This is the centenary of 1916 and we learned this morning that the homelessness figures doubled in February.  There are 5,881 citizens, including 1,881 children, in emergency accommodation.  Thousands more families are paying unsustainable mortgages and demanding action on water charges.  However, this D&aacute;il, led by Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael, decided that we will not discuss these issues.  We will not discuss the plight of the children in the care of the State who are denied the protections they deserve.</p>  <p>  Apparently, none of these issues were discussed in the talks between Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il.  I do not believe that these are serious negotiations at all.  Instead, what we are witnessing is the political leaders of the two largest parties trying to outmanoeuvre one another, putting personalities before country and egos before citizens' rights.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.110" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1274" speakername="Timmy Dooley" time="15:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400014#O00900"><p>The Deputy does not have a good track record on that himself.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.111" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1330" speakername="Gerry Adams" time="15:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400014#O01000"><p>Seven weeks after the election, Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il have not even discussed policy matters.  They have dumped all their election rhetoric.  There is no talk now about keeping the recovery going, about the emergency being over, about stability versus chaos, about an Ireland for all, about &euro;2 billion in additional money to spend on public services or about recruiting 10,000 new doctors, nurses, garda&iacute;, teachers, social workers and other front-line workers.  Contrary to the protestations of the acting T&aacute;naiste, it is only through a Sinn F&eacute;in initiative that the D&aacute;il will debate a motion today to establish an all-party housing sub-committee to find solutions to the housing crisis.</p><p>Incidentally, Sinn F&eacute;in is prepared to talk to all parties and none and is currently engaging in talks with those parties and Independents who will talk to us.  Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael, however, have ruled us out.  Those of us on these benches are not worthy to be talked to.  In the meantime, Ministers who were sacked by the electorate, none of whom is accountable to the D&aacute;il, are going ahead with policies for which they have no mandate whatsoever.  Instead, we are wasting our time when we should be dealing with all of the issues that are pressing down on citizens outside this institution.</p> <p> The Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael leaders need to grow up and recognise that politics has changed.  They can no longer have power on their own terms or carve it out in the way they used to.  They may pretend that the 23 Sinn F&eacute;in Deputies do not exist or that those whom we represent and their concerns should not be factored into how we collectively shape the future.  That is the flaw in their thinking.  It is the same old story.  Deputies Miche&aacute;l Martin and Enda Kenny leave the people - citizens - out of their machinations and selfish little manoeuvrings.  The people's struggles and challenges are not taken into account.  Fianna F&aacute;il paid the price for this in 2011 and Fine Gael and the Labour Party did likewise in 2016.  For our part, we will continue to bring forward positive, constructive proposals and try to provide progressive opposition to the conservative majority here, whatever arrangements they arrive at.  It is my strong view, as Deputy David Cullinane put it, that all of us who share that ambition must work together in the time ahead.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.113" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="16:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400015#P00200"><p>There are seven speakers offering but less than five minutes left for contributions.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.114" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1308" speakername="Paul Murphy" time="16:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400015#P00300"><p>We are opposed to both nominees who represent the 1% in this country - the elite.  As a result, they are collectively responsible for the biggest bank bailout in the world.  They are collectively responsible for the horrific austerity that destroyed public services and heaped austerity taxes on the people.  They are responsible for the immense housing crisis we face because their policies put the profits of developers, bankers and big landlords ahead of the right to a home.  They are also both deeply conservative, which is why, despite the non efforts of the Labour Party in the last Government, we still have the eighth amendment and some conservative Independents in the talks apparently threatening to block even a discussion on its desperately needed repeal.</p>  <p>  What is going on here?  Why is it that we do not have a Government?  Why are we here for the third time?  Is it, as superficial commentators suggest, that the Taoiseach and Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin just do not get on, that their text messages have crossed each other and that there is some problem in communication?  There is something much deeper happening and it is a fundamental crisis for the 1% in the State, its political system and way of ruling.  It is the same crisis one sees in Spain.  Since the foundation of the State in a counter revolution in 1922, there have operated two choices that offer the same thing.  One is in government, while the other is the main party in opposition.  I refer to the two trusted parties of the establishment.  Simply put, they cannot rule in the old way anymore, which is why we have a crisis.  The question for us is not to choose between two nominees who offer exactly the same thing but to recognise the opportunity to build a massive left, workers' party which will not betray people but which will stand for principled socialist change and which can achieve a left Government that will put people's needs before profit.  Whatever Government emerges will be right-wing.  That is the reality.  However, it can be a weak and unstable Government.  The lesson for people to draw is that they should mobilise against such a Government whenever it implements a policy that is against their interests and that they can achieve victories against such a Government.</p>  <p>  To take one issue - the policy that dare not speak its name - we have still not discussed water charges here, despite it being a key issue in the general election.  The only information we get is through contradictory, confused leaks from different sources in different newspapers that make no sense whatsoever.  It is the issue they do not want to discuss because it is the one on which there have been immense mobilisations.  Yesterday, a number of people were arrested at peaceful anti-water meter protests in Wicklow.  They should be defended.  Today or in the next couple of days we will receive new payment figures from Irish Water.  It is exactly three months since we received the last payment figures.  If we get to the real figures as opposed to the spin from Irish Water, they will illustrate an increase in the level of non-payment.  The other key point is that 99 Deputies were elected with a mandate to either suspend or abolish water charges and abolish Irish Water.  If Fianna F&aacute;il or any of the Independents involved in talks do not deliver on this, they will not be forgiven.  They should remember this.  The people outside are not going to wait to see what crooked deal can be done between the establishment parties and a few Independents to betray what people voted for in the general election in terms of real change and the abolition of Irish Water.</p>  <p>  Whatever Government emerges, the lesson is clear.  We must mobilise to bring about change and force the repeal of the eighth amendment, demand action to put the right to a home before the profits of the 1% and get rid of water charges and austerity and, in doing so, prepare the way for the real change we need, that is, a left Government that can be delivered.  That means building a mass left party.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.115" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="16:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400015#P00400"><p>As the time allowed has elapsed, I shall put the nominations in the order in which they were received.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.116" nospeaker="true" time="16:15:00" ><p>Cuireadh an cheist: &quot;Go n-ainmneoidh D&aacute;il &Eacute;ireann an Teachta Enda Kenny chun a cheaptha ag an Uachtar&aacute;n mar Thaoiseach.&quot;</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.117/1" nospeaker="true" time="16:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400016#Q00200"><p>Question put: "That Dáil Éireann nominate Deputy Enda Kenny for appointment by the President to be Taoiseach."</p><p>The Dáil divided: Tá, 52; Níl, 77.</p><br/><p>Tellers: Tá, Deputies Joe Carey and Paul Kehoe; Níl, Deputies Michael Moynihan and Aengus Ó Snodaigh.</p></speech>
        <division id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.117/2" nospeaker="true" divdate="2016-04-14" time="16:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400016#Q00200">
            <divisioncount ayes="52" noes="77" />
                <mplist vote="aye">
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1246" vote="aye">Maria Bailey</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1219" vote="aye">Se&aacute;n Barrett</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1272" vote="aye">Pat Breen</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1310" vote="aye">Colm Brophy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1293" vote="aye">Richard Bruton</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1369" vote="aye">Peter Burke</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1307" vote="aye">Catherine Byrne</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1241" vote="aye">Ciar&aacute;n Cannon</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1273" vote="aye">Joe Carey</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1339" vote="aye">Marcella Corcoran Kennedy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1286" vote="aye">Simon Coveney</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1285" vote="aye">Michael Creed</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1261" vote="aye">Jim Daly</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1364" vote="aye">Michael D'Arcy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1352" vote="aye">John Deasy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1268" vote="aye">Pat Deering</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1338" vote="aye">Regina Doherty</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1292" vote="aye">Paschal Donohoe</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1356" vote="aye">Andrew Doyle</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1322" vote="aye">Bernard Durkan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1264" vote="aye">Damien English</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1300" vote="aye">Alan Farrell</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1214" vote="aye">Frances Fitzgerald</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1331" vote="aye">Peter Fitzpatrick</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1233" vote="aye">Charles Flanagan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1318" vote="aye">Brendan Griffin</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1251" vote="aye">Simon Harris</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1237" vote="aye">Martin Heydon</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1249" vote="aye">Heather Humphreys</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1365" vote="aye">Paul Kehoe</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1245" vote="aye">Enda Kenny</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1314" vote="aye">Se&aacute;n Kyne</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1240" vote="aye">Michael Lowry</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1337" vote="aye">Helen McEntee</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1290" vote="aye">Joe McHugh</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1343" vote="aye">Tony McLoughlin</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1243" vote="aye">Josepha Madigan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1247" vote="aye">Mary Mitchell O'Connor</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1282" vote="aye">Dara Murphy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1295" vote="aye">Eoghan Murphy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1315" vote="aye">Hildegarde Naughton</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1328" vote="aye">Tom Neville</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1326" vote="aye">Michael Noonan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1297" vote="aye">Kate O'Connell</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1267" vote="aye">Patrick O'Donovan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1329" vote="aye">Fergus O'Dowd</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1265" vote="aye">John Paul Phelan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1334" vote="aye">Michael Ring</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1304" vote="aye">Noel Rock</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1277" vote="aye">David Stanton</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1236" vote="aye">Leo Varadkar</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1358" vote="aye">Katherine Zappone</mpname>
                </mplist>
                <mplist vote="no">
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1330" vote="no">Gerry Adams</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1368" vote="no">Bobby Aylward</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1281" vote="no">Mick Barry</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1238" vote="no">Richard Boyd Barrett</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1252" vote="no">John Brady</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1321" vote="no">John Brassil</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1332" vote="no">Declan Breathnach</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1361" vote="no">Tommy Broughan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1354" vote="no">James Browne</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1279" vote="no">Pat Buckley</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1220" vote="no">Mary Butler</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1225" vote="no">Thomas Byrne</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1350" vote="no">Jackie Cahill</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1335" vote="no">Dara Calleary</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1357" vote="no">Pat Casey</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1218" vote="no">Shane Cassells</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1255" vote="no">Jack Chambers</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1336" vote="no">Lisa Chambers</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1306" vote="no">Joan Collins</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1221" vote="no">Niall Collins</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1316" vote="no">Catherine Connolly</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1254" vote="no">Ruth Coppinger</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1217" vote="no">Barry Cowen</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1309" vote="no">Se&aacute;n Crowe</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" vote="no">David Cullinane</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1298" vote="no">John Curran</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1259" vote="no">Clare Daly</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1288" vote="no">Pearse Doherty</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1274" vote="no">Timmy Dooley</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1317" vote="no">Martin Ferris</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1216" vote="no">Se&aacute;n Fleming</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1266" vote="no">Kathleen Funchion</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1289" vote="no">Pat Gallagher</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1360" vote="no">Se&aacute;n Haughey</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1348" vote="no">S&eacute;amus Healy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1229" vote="no">Billy Kelleher</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1345" vote="no">Martin Kenny</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1311" vote="no">John Lahart</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1323" vote="no">James Lawless</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1346" vote="no">Marc MacSharry</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1244" vote="no">Charlie McConalogue</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1239" vote="no">Mary Lou McDonald</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1223" vote="no">Michael McGrath</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1248" vote="no">John McGuinness</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1224" vote="no">Miche&aacute;l Martin</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1362" vote="no">Denise Mitchell</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1284" vote="no">Aindrias Moynihan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1283" vote="no">Michael Moynihan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1333" vote="no">Imelda Munster</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1262" vote="no">Margaret Murphy O'Mahony</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1342" vote="no">Eugene Murphy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1308" vote="no">Paul Murphy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1340" vote="no">Carol Nolan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1215" vote="no">Eoin &Oacute; Broin</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1269" vote="no">Caoimhgh&iacute;n &Oacute; Caol&aacute;in</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1312" vote="no">&Eacute;amon &Oacute; Cu&iacute;v</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1287" vote="no">Donnchadh &Oacute; Laoghaire</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1305" vote="no">Aengus &Oacute; Snodaigh</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1228" vote="no">Darragh O'Brien</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1280" vote="no">Jonathan O'Brien</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1296" vote="no">Jim O'Callaghan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1227" vote="no">Willie O'Dea</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1278" vote="no">Kevin O'Keeffe</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1257" vote="no">Fiona O'Loughlin</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1302" vote="no">Louise O'Reilly</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1324" vote="no">Frank O'Rourke</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1366" vote="no">Thomas Pringle</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1327" vote="no">Maurice Quinlivan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1231" vote="no">Anne Rabbitte</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1344" vote="no">Eamon Scanlon</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1270" vote="no">Brendan Smith</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1367" vote="no">Br&iacute;d Smith</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1271" vote="no">Niamh Smyth</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1232" vote="no">Brian Stanley</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1235" vote="no">Peadar T&oacute;ib&iacute;n</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1250" vote="no">Robert Troy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1355" vote="no">Mick Wallace</mpname>
                </mplist>
        </division>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.117/3" nospeaker="true" time="16:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400016#Q00200"><p>Question declared lost.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.118" nospeaker="true" time="16:15:00" ><p>Faisn&eacute;iseadh go rabhthas tar &eacute;is di&uacute;lt&uacute; don cheist.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.119" nospeaker="true" time="16:20:00" ><p>Cuireadh an cheist: &quot;Go n-ainmneoidh D&aacute;il &Eacute;ireann an Teachta Miche&aacute;l Martin chun a cheaptha ag an Uachtar&aacute;n mar Thaoiseach.&quot;</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.120/1" nospeaker="true" time="16:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400017#S00200"><p>Question put: "That Dáil Éireann nominate Deputy Micheál Martin for appointment by the President to be Taoiseach."</p><p>The Dáil divided: Tá, 43; Níl, 91.</p><br/><p>Tellers: Tá, Deputies Michael Moynihan and Fiona O'Loughlin; Níl, Deputies Paul Kehoe and Aengus Ó Snodaigh.</p></speech>
        <division id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.120/2" nospeaker="true" divdate="2016-04-14" time="16:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400017#S00200">
            <divisioncount ayes="43" noes="91" />
                <mplist vote="aye">
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1368" vote="aye">Bobby Aylward</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1321" vote="aye">John Brassil</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1332" vote="aye">Declan Breathnach</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1354" vote="aye">James Browne</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1220" vote="aye">Mary Butler</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1225" vote="aye">Thomas Byrne</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1350" vote="aye">Jackie Cahill</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1335" vote="aye">Dara Calleary</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1357" vote="aye">Pat Casey</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1218" vote="aye">Shane Cassells</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1255" vote="aye">Jack Chambers</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1336" vote="aye">Lisa Chambers</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1221" vote="aye">Niall Collins</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1217" vote="aye">Barry Cowen</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1298" vote="aye">John Curran</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1274" vote="aye">Timmy Dooley</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1216" vote="aye">Se&aacute;n Fleming</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1289" vote="aye">Pat Gallagher</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1360" vote="aye">Se&aacute;n Haughey</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1229" vote="aye">Billy Kelleher</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1311" vote="aye">John Lahart</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1323" vote="aye">James Lawless</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1346" vote="aye">Marc MacSharry</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1244" vote="aye">Charlie McConalogue</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1223" vote="aye">Michael McGrath</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1248" vote="aye">John McGuinness</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1224" vote="aye">Miche&aacute;l Martin</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1284" vote="aye">Aindrias Moynihan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1283" vote="aye">Michael Moynihan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1262" vote="aye">Margaret Murphy O'Mahony</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1342" vote="aye">Eugene Murphy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1312" vote="aye">&Eacute;amon &Oacute; Cu&iacute;v</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1228" vote="aye">Darragh O'Brien</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1296" vote="aye">Jim O'Callaghan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1227" vote="aye">Willie O'Dea</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1278" vote="aye">Kevin O'Keeffe</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1257" vote="aye">Fiona O'Loughlin</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1324" vote="aye">Frank O'Rourke</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1231" vote="aye">Anne Rabbitte</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1344" vote="aye">Eamon Scanlon</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1270" vote="aye">Brendan Smith</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1271" vote="aye">Niamh Smyth</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1250" vote="aye">Robert Troy</mpname>
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                <mplist vote="no">
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1330" vote="no">Gerry Adams</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1246" vote="no">Maria Bailey</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1219" vote="no">Se&aacute;n Barrett</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1281" vote="no">Mick Barry</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1238" vote="no">Richard Boyd Barrett</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1252" vote="no">John Brady</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1272" vote="no">Pat Breen</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1310" vote="no">Colm Brophy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1361" vote="no">Tommy Broughan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1293" vote="no">Richard Bruton</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1279" vote="no">Pat Buckley</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1369" vote="no">Peter Burke</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1253" vote="no">Joan Burton</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1307" vote="no">Catherine Byrne</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1241" vote="no">Ciar&aacute;n Cannon</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1273" vote="no">Joe Carey</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1306" vote="no">Joan Collins</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1316" vote="no">Catherine Connolly</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1254" vote="no">Ruth Coppinger</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1339" vote="no">Marcella Corcoran Kennedy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1286" vote="no">Simon Coveney</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1285" vote="no">Michael Creed</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1309" vote="no">Se&aacute;n Crowe</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" vote="no">David Cullinane</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1259" vote="no">Clare Daly</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1261" vote="no">Jim Daly</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1364" vote="no">Michael D'Arcy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1352" vote="no">John Deasy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1268" vote="no">Pat Deering</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1288" vote="no">Pearse Doherty</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1338" vote="no">Regina Doherty</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1292" vote="no">Paschal Donohoe</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1356" vote="no">Andrew Doyle</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1322" vote="no">Bernard Durkan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1264" vote="no">Damien English</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1300" vote="no">Alan Farrell</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1317" vote="no">Martin Ferris</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1214" vote="no">Frances Fitzgerald</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1331" vote="no">Peter Fitzpatrick</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1233" vote="no">Charles Flanagan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1266" vote="no">Kathleen Funchion</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1318" vote="no">Brendan Griffin</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1251" vote="no">Simon Harris</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1348" vote="no">S&eacute;amus Healy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1237" vote="no">Martin Heydon</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1353" vote="no">Brendan Howlin</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1249" vote="no">Heather Humphreys</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1365" vote="no">Paul Kehoe</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" vote="no">Alan Kelly</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1245" vote="no">Enda Kenny</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1345" vote="no">Martin Kenny</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1314" vote="no">Se&aacute;n Kyne</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1239" vote="no">Mary Lou McDonald</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1337" vote="no">Helen McEntee</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1290" vote="no">Joe McHugh</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1343" vote="no">Tony McLoughlin</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1243" vote="no">Josepha Madigan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1247" vote="no">Mary Mitchell O'Connor</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1362" vote="no">Denise Mitchell</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1333" vote="no">Imelda Munster</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1282" vote="no">Dara Murphy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1295" vote="no">Eoghan Murphy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1308" vote="no">Paul Murphy</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1315" vote="no">Hildegarde Naughton</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1328" vote="no">Tom Neville</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1340" vote="no">Carol Nolan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1326" vote="no">Michael Noonan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1215" vote="no">Eoin &Oacute; Broin</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1269" vote="no">Caoimhgh&iacute;n &Oacute; Caol&aacute;in</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1287" vote="no">Donnchadh &Oacute; Laoghaire</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1305" vote="no">Aengus &Oacute; Snodaigh</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1280" vote="no">Jonathan O'Brien</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1297" vote="no">Kate O'Connell</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1267" vote="no">Patrick O'Donovan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1329" vote="no">Fergus O'Dowd</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1302" vote="no">Louise O'Reilly</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1325" vote="no">Jan O'Sullivan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1370" vote="no">Willie Penrose</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1265" vote="no">John Paul Phelan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1366" vote="no">Thomas Pringle</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1327" vote="no">Maurice Quinlivan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1334" vote="no">Michael Ring</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1304" vote="no">Noel Rock</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1301" vote="no">Brendan  Ryan</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1367" vote="no">Br&iacute;d Smith</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1232" vote="no">Brian Stanley</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1277" vote="no">David Stanton</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1235" vote="no">Peadar T&oacute;ib&iacute;n</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1236" vote="no">Leo Varadkar</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1355" vote="no">Mick Wallace</mpname>
                    <mpname id="com.kildarestreet/member/1358" vote="no">Katherine Zappone</mpname>
                </mplist>
        </division>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.120/3" nospeaker="true" time="16:20:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400017#S00200"><p>Question declared lost.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.121" nospeaker="true" time="16:20:00" ><p>Faisn&eacute;iseadh go rabhthas tar &eacute;is di&uacute;lt&uacute; don cheist.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.122" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="16:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400018#T00100"><p>I call on the Taoiseach to address the House.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.123" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1245" speakername="Enda Kenny" time="16:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400018#T00200"><p>The D&aacute;il has, so far, not agreed on the nomination and appointment of a Taoiseach and, as I informed the House on 10 March, in accordance with the Constitution the Government and I continue to carry out our duties and will do so until a new government has been appointed.</p>  <p>  After the general election, I undertook to work towards establishing a stable and lasting government.  I invited the parties, alliances and Independent Deputies who are willing to work towards that objective to enter into structured discussions with the Fine Gael Party.  Some 15 Independent Deputies, and for a time the Green Party, agreed to take part.  That process, as people are now aware, involved over 50 hours of discussions and negotiations.  I thank all of those who, for whatever length of time and to whatever degree, participated in that process during which a wide range of policy issues were discussed and put forward.  I also acknowledge and fully respect the right to abstain from votes on the formation of a government until agreement is reached on the composition and the policy programme of a new government that is elected and agreed.</p>  <p>  Following the last D&aacute;il sitting on 6 April, I met the leader of the Fianna F&aacute;il Party, Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin, to discuss how a stable and lasting government might be put in place.  I proposed the establishment of a full partnership government which would include the Fine Gael Party, the Fianna F&aacute;il Party and Independent Deputies, because I believe that would be the best option for providing the country with a stable and lasting government.  That partnership proposal was based on the parity of esteem referred to by Deputy Ross, which would both reflect the decision of the electorate and respect the mandate given to the individual parties and Deputies who accepted responsibility to work with and towards the development of a lasting government working in the interest of all the people of the country.  We are now nearly seven weeks on from the general election and it is time to focus with a sense of urgency on what we must do.  I remain fully committed to that objective and I sincerely hope that in the short time ahead, this matter can be progressed to fruition and a conclusion.</p>  <p>  Clearly, there are a number of major challenges facing the country, both internally and from abroad.  The careful management of the economy and public finances must remain a priority, particularly in the current uncertain and complex international economic environment.  In just over ten weeks, the people of the United Kingdom will vote on whether to remain a member of the European Union.  This decision may have far-reaching consequences for Europe and Ireland, and for Northern Ireland in particular.  We must also continue to address the real challenges in our health services and in the areas of homelessness, housing, mental health, disability and so on, issues which have been identified by a great number of people both during and since the election.  We must also continue to provide jobs for our people and continue growth in investment and employment. </p>  <p>  For these reasons it is incumbent on all of us who have the privilege of serving in this Thirty-second D&aacute;il to intensify our efforts to provide the country with a stable and durable government.  As Taoiseach and as leader of the party with the largest number of seats in the House, I remain fully committed to working to ensure that the people get that kind of government.  I hope that everybody who accepts responsibility and wants to do something about this will face up to that responsibility and participate.  The House will adjourn tonight until Wednesday, 20 April.  We should all ensure that in the coming days we use that time to redouble our efforts to form a stable and lasting government.</p>  <p>  I know Deputy Martin has a parliamentary meeting after this session of the D&aacute;il and I invite him to meet me to authorise the continuation of discussions and negotiations on the formation of a government.  I would be happy to authorise such progress with Deputy Martin, if he so wishes.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.124" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1224" speakername="Miche&aacute;l Martin" time="16:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400018#T00300"><p>I would like to address recent developments and the issue of where the Fianna F&aacute;il Party stands in regard to the ongoing issue of the formation of government.  This concerns both events before this vote and where we go from here.</p>  <p>  From the very start we have been consistent and up-front in all of our private discussions and public statements.  On the Monday after the election, we set out our belief that the demand for change evident in the people&rsquo;s decision was wider and more challenging than ever before.  It was a demand not just to change personnel in government but to change our priorities and our politics.  It was not just about numbers.</p>  <p>  I am encouraged by the fact that my call for inclusive and ambitious parliamentary reform has been taken up and is making important progress.  There is now no one defending an approach to the Oireachtas that involves it being marginalised by a dominant government.  Completing this reform agenda remains a challenge, but there has been a decisive and, I believe, permanent change in attitude on implementing real political reform.  What is not yet clear is whether there is broad agreement on reforming the way we govern.  There are signs of progress, but substantial issues remain.  There are undeniable efforts to maintain a slightly repainted model of the old way of doing business.</p>  <p>  For the 12 months before the election and in interviews, debates and canvasses throughout the election, Fianna F&aacute;il stated clearly that it would not enter a coalition government with Fine Gael, even in a circumstance where other majority government options were not possible.  We set out our reasons for this in great detail.</p><p>This was not a commitment lightly made and it received the backing of our members at our Ard-Fheis.  I, for one, believe in putting behind us the era when people said one thing during an election on major issues and did the complete opposite in the aftermath and casually dismissed their promises.  The infamous Tesco ad is perhaps the best most recent illustration of that.</p> <p> We need to re-establish public trust in politics and how we do politics.  Parties which have chosen to remove themselves from the process of government formation are, of course, entitled to their own positions but it would be a great service to us all if they kept to themselves their lectures on the duties of others.  The sheer number of people who have appointed themselves to be spokespersons on behalf of the national interest is now ridiculous, as is their habit of giving advice to people or parties they misjudged or opposed.</p> <p> In addition to promising that we would not enter a coalition with Fine Gael, we said that we would be responsible and respond to the realities of a new D&aacute;il.  We have already done this and we will continue to do it.  Central to this is that we believe Ireland must recognise the fact that it now has a multi-party system and should move away from its absolutist approach to government formation.  The idea that democracy requires a rapid transition between majority governments is simply not supported by the facts.  Minority governments can and do work and they do so in countries which have high levels of governance.</p> <p> In the past month we have held good-faith negotiations with parties and independents.  We tabled very detailed policy papers, notwithstanding what the leader of Sinn F&eacute;in says, and one Independent paid a compliment saying the meeting we had with the Independent Alliance last Monday week was the best he had attended in the past six weeks on all the issues, from health to housing, with public servants in attendance.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.126" nospeaker="true" time="16:35:00" ><p>(Interruptions).</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.127" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1224" speakername="Miche&aacute;l Martin" time="16:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400019#U00300"><p>It is an important point.  The only people who have engaged, despite all the lectures from around the House, in substantive policy negotiations in the past number of weeks are the Independents - Fine Gael with Independents and Fianna F&aacute;il with Independents.  It behoves others to stop lecturing those who are engaged and doing the work.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.128" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1322" speakername="Bernard Durkan" time="16:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400019#U00400"><p>Hear, hear.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.129" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1224" speakername="Miche&aacute;l Martin" time="16:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400019#U00500"><p>In the past month, we have held good-faith negotiations.  We tabled detailed policy papers and clarified them.  We set out not just what can be achieved over a full D&aacute;il term but also what can be implemented in the next six to 12 months.  In these negotiations, we have taken the approach of not issuing briefings and not seeking to spin media coverage.  We have played them straight.  They were constructive and positive discussions which were dominated by substantive policy issues.  At the same time, there were discussions between these groups and Fine Gael.  I want to thank those who participated in our discussions but clearly they had reached a point where there was a choice to be made.  They are entitled to say they want more detail and want an agreement in advance about supporting whatever emerges from negotiations.  We are not in any way reflecting on the right of Deputies to make up their own minds but, equally, we have the right to say that we think a stage has been reached where the approaches and policies of the alternatives to leading a Government are there to be seen.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.130" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="16:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400019#U00600"><p>I ask the Deputy to conclude.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.131" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1224" speakername="Miche&aacute;l Martin" time="16:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400019#U00700"><p>I have an important contribution to make and beg the indulgence of the Chair.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.132" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="16:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400019#U00800"><p>Yes, but quickly, please.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.133" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1224" speakername="Miche&aacute;l Martin" time="16:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400019#U00900"><p>It is not unreasonable to ask that people state whom they are willing to support.  Many very candid positions have been stated in private which have yet to be repeated in public.  We have repeatedly answered in the affirmative questions the Independents have put to us about our capacity and willingness to support a Fine Gael-led minority Government if the numbers dictated so.  Fine Gael has refused to reciprocate.  That said, however, and following this vote, it is time to move on.  As we have stated repeatedly, and as I outlined in the D&aacute;il last week and on Sunday and Monday, Fianna F&aacute;il believes that a minority Government is the only credible and legitimate outcome from the current make-up of the D&aacute;il.  We understand the need for an agreement which allows such a Government to function.  We agreed with Fine Gael last Saturday to enter into discussions about a minority Government.  We have approached these discussions in good faith and have achieved significant progress on the most important issue, which is to define responsibilities and approaches between parties in such an arrangement.</p>  <p>  This said, there are very significant concerns relating to these discussions and whether the entire process can be completed.  The single most important change required to make any new arrangement work is to abandon the mindset of trying to spin and control everything.  Good faith requires demonstrating that you can understand and address the needs of the other side.  In recent years the obsessive daily spinning defined an approach to governing which has been decisively rejected by the people.  Fine Gael would be well served if it understood how its behaviour towards the other party in the outgoing Government suggested what could be charitably called "a complete lack of partnership".</p>  <p>  To be very direct, we will not get to an agreement unless there is an abandonment of the manoeuvring and inflexibility we have seen in the past week alone.  As the Taoiseach knows, meetings this week have been delayed a few times due to Fine Gael's requests and delays.  The very first time this happened on the other side, however, official statements were being made within minutes expressing annoyance and threatening a breakdown.  Equally, the decision to pass motions at the Fine Gael Parliamentary Party meeting yesterday directly intended to reject our positions was at the very least deliberately unhelpful and provocative.  We are in danger of the word "partnership" being drained of any substance.</p>  <p>  The future of Irish Water is not the single most important issue facing our country but it is important and the election represented a decisive rejection of current policies.  The post-election lobbying campaign by this State company is unprecedented in our history.  It is a total waste of public money and of the legitimate balance of powers between Parliament and State companies.  Once D&aacute;il committees are established, we will be seeking an investigation into the cost and nature of this campaign.  In addition, we should be very clear that any attempt by Irish Water to accelerate contracts and hiring for non-essential maintenance roles will be seen as an attempt to undermine discussions on water policy by elected representatives.</p>  <p>  It is not yet clear that Fine Gael understands the need to move away from the highly controlling attitude which defined the past five years.  We await a demonstration that it knows how to respect the interests of others.  If Fine Gael wants to find a way of making the new situation work and is genuine in understanding that the old approach to government is over, then we continue to be willing to be flexible.  We are prepared to continue in discussions with Fine Gael about the operation of a minority Government.  However, we expect that it will do what it has so far refused to do, namely, detail whom it expects to participate in such an arrangement and outline that Government's programme.</p>  <p>  From the very beginning we have been straight and open about our position.  We have not stood on the sidelines but have taken a constructive and flexible approach, while being true to the core promise we made to the half a million people who voted for us.  This will continue to be our approach.  I thank the Ceann Comhairle and the D&aacute;il for their indulgence.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.134" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1286" speakername="Simon Coveney" time="16:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400019#U01000"><p>As others have said, we have again failed to elect a Taoiseach.  I would like to make some comments as to the responsibilities we all have now to try to change that by next Wednesday.  From our perspective, we in Fine Gael have been trying for weeks to move towards a situation where we could create a partnership or an alliance or a consensus around how a Government might be formed in a very complex political landscape.  Parties are essentially being asked to do things now that they have not done before and we will continue our efforts between now and next Wednesday to try to get a conclusion to that process whereby the minority Government about which Deputy Martin and the Taoiseach speak becomes a reality and a possibility next week.  That will only happen if those of us in this House who are interested in being a constructive part of putting that together work together to make it happen.</p>  <p>  I understand the frustrations that many people have expressed - and not for the first time - that Ireland does not have a Government and that Ireland badly needs one right now in order to start solving many of the problems that people are facing in their lives outside this House.  However, it is not true to say that parties such as ours and others have not been working night and day to try to put together a Government outside the norms of politics in Ireland.  There is an increasing understanding of the need to be flexible, of the need to understand other people's inputs and views and the need to reflect the broad consensus we got from the electorate which is a different one in terms of what they demand from politics this time around.  From our perspective in Fine Gael, we hope the party opposite, in particular, will begin to discuss with us in partnership again how we can find a way forward as two large parties to provide a Government by next week.  We will certainly approach those talks in good faith.</p>  <p>  We have also attempted to be flexible, to be open.  There have not been leaks of the content of those discussions to date between two parties but let us be truthful.</p><p>Both parties meeting each other are of course cautious in terms of the outcome and how that may impact on their own political parties and on the functioning of a government in the future because a minority government in Ireland is different.  It is vulnerable.  It will need not only D&aacute;il reform and political reform but also a change in approach and attitude to politics from all sides of this House if it is to work for people, which is ultimately what we need to do.  I am not lecturing anybody.  I am saying that my party is committed to trying to make that work on an equal basis with others who want to do the same.  I appeal to other political parties to be part of that process if they have not been part of it yet.  We are ready, willing and open to discuss with them how they may want to be part of providing stable government with us in government or from opposition.</p> <p> We would also like to recognise those Independents in this House who have spent an enormous amount of time trying to put forward new ideas, policies and suggestions and trying to understand how they fit in in the context of a minority government, which we are trying to understand, even in a party as large as Fine Gael or Fianna F&aacute;il, in terms of how it might function from next week onwards.  The alternative is to go back to the electorate and ask it to vote again.  If that happens it will be a failure on our part as politicians who have the privilege of getting elected to this House in terms of being mature and able enough to put something together that can last and solve problems because, ultimately, that is all that matters to the people who elected us.</p> <p> On behalf of the Taoiseach and Fine Gael, I thank all those who have been constructive.  In particular, I thank Deputy Katherine Zappone for her courage as an individual and as an Independent to support Deputy Enda Kenny for Taoiseach.  We appreciate that.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.136" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1308" speakername="Paul Murphy" time="16:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400020#V00200"><p>What about Deputy Michael Lowry?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.137" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="16:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400020#V00300"><p>One voice, please.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.138" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1347" speakername="Mattie McGrath" time="16:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400020#V00400"><p>What about my colleague?  Do not forget Tipp.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.139" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1286" speakername="Simon Coveney" time="16:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400020#V00500"><p>I encourage others to find a way by next week to allow them to be comfortable enough to take a risk in terms of their own political future and outlook and the basis on which they got elected.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.140" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="16:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400020#V00600"><p>Thank you, Minister.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.141" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1286" speakername="Simon Coveney" time="16:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400020#V00700"><p>We will try to facilitate that in any way we can as a party that wants to put that government together by next Wednesday.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.142" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="16:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400020#V00800"><p>Can I point out that in respect of the nominees for Taoiseach, the Taoiseach and Deputy Martin, we provided a degree of flexibility beyond the order of five minutes?  I do not intend that we will provide more than five minutes for other speakers.  The next speaker is Deputy Jack Chambers.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.143" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1255" speakername="Jack Chambers" time="16:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400020#V00900"><p>Today represented a great opportunity for the Deputies in this Chamber.  The choice was a clear one between the old and tired policies of the past, the ones we have laboured through for the past five years during which Fine Gael, under this Taoiseach, oversaw the greatest housing crisis the country has ever seen.  Since this election, however, Fine Gael has revealed itself to be addicted to power.  The Taoiseach's Government lost half the number of seats it had and yet he still holds that sense of entitlement to power.  He moved the goalposts at the end of last week and put forward a so-called partnership proposition that he knew full well would not be agreed by the Deputies in Fianna F&aacute;il.  He did that so that the median option for the Independents would be a minority Fine Gael government but it was all about absolute power.  He would not agree to support what Deputy Ross referred to as parity of esteem, equity and the whole principle of what D&aacute;il reform is and should be about.  It is about parity of esteem between two big parties and that we can work together in a minority capacity, and whoever has the bigger minority bloc should be respected.  Fine Gael has failed to respect that today and over the past number of days, and that needs to be recorded.</p>  <p>  We in Fianna F&aacute;il want to play a positive and responsible role but Fine Gael again has shown its addiction to power and it is failing to respect what could be a bigger bloc of a minority Fianna F&aacute;il government.  That is wrong and it undermines the spirit of D&aacute;il reform to which Deputies Rock and Coveney referred.  In doing so, Fine Gael has sent a very loud and clear message to everyone that it is not ready to embrace the change needed for this House to properly function.  It is a real shame.</p>  <p>  During the debate on housing that will take place later we will hear figures and statistics that are difficult to comprehend.  We will hear that there are more people homeless today than ever before and that there has been a 400% increase in homeless families during the past four years.  Yesterday, we were told that one family is becoming homeless every day.  There are 130,000 families on the housing list.  That is 130,000 families who have fallen victim to the inept policies pursued by this acting Government.  Tragically, those figures no longer come as a shock.  Any one who walks outside the gates of Leinster House today can see all too clearly the scourge of homelessness on our city streets, and also around the country.  In my constituency of Dublin West, more children have become homeless than in any other county.  The situation in Tyrrelstown, where families fear they will become the next statistic, suggests that people living in Dublin West will continue to be threatened by the problems of the housing sector until proper steps are taken to address the many problems.</p>  <p>  Similarly, in the area of health care, there has been a remarkable deterioration in services during the past five year to the point now where hospitals routinely have to shut down accident and emergency departments as they struggle to cope with overcrowding.  A hospital corridor that is not packed with trolleys and sick people sitting in chairs now looks out of place.  The outgoing Government has allowed for the normalisation of a two-tier health service.  On a policy and ministerial level, the health service enveloped in a virus of spin and spoof.  We have a health care system in which operations and surgeries are routinely cancelled and doctors, nurses and health care professionals are worked to the point of exhaustion.  </p>  <p>  Today, we face sticking with that way of doing things, with another stalemate.  We could have chosen a new course, one that would have set this country back on the right path and delivered a fairer and more equal society under the stewardship and leadership of Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin.</p>  <p>  The outcome of the last election shows us that it is time for a new way of doing politics.  There has been a fragmentation of the old system and a convergence towards other European electoral systems and norms.  Some Deputies seem to be in denial about that or have failed to recognise the desire for change in how we operate.  What is required now is increased debate on important issues.  I recognise the work of the Ceann Comhairle and the subcommittee on D&aacute;il reform in changing how we do our business, and I hope that progresses over the next number of weeks.  Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin is the only man with the courage, vision, dedication and ability to lead the sweeping changes that are required in this House.  He was the man who put reform on the agenda the week after the election, and he is committed to delivering the changes needed to make this House function in the interests of the country.</p>  <p>  On the health sector, I was surprised to see the Independent Alliance Members abstain again today.  There has been mention of Waterford University Hospital in recent days.  We have a clear commitment to deliver 24-hour cardiac care, and I know Deputy Butler has worked on that over the past few months, so it appears the abstention again from the Independents is fudging what is possible progress for Deputy Halligan and the south east.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.144" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="16:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400020#V01000"><p>The Deputy should conclude.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.145" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1255" speakername="Jack Chambers" time="16:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400020#V01100"><p>I will conclude.  We were all elected in February to represent the people.  The people have spoken, and they do not want to do so again.  They have waited patiently over the past 50 days.  They are tired of the old way of doing things.  Fianna F&aacute;il will play a positive, constructive and responsible role in the D&aacute;il to progress our policies in a reformed and properly functioning democratic Parliament, one which the people of Ireland deserve.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.146" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1239" speakername="Mary Lou McDonald" time="16:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400020#V01200"><p>Neither Deputy Martin nor Deputy Kenny have been elected as Taoiseach because they do not enjoy the confidence of this D&aacute;il.  We should not be under any illusion that anybody outside in the real world is convinced for a second that either of those men or either of their parties - Fianna F&aacute;il or Fine Gael - will make things better, more equal or more fair.  That is the stuff of fiction.  We know that because the evidence of the past is there in plain sight.  Fianna F&aacute;il challenges Fine Gael on its failures in the health system.  Deputy Chambers said Fine Gael perpetuated a two-tier system, and he is right, but so did Fianna F&aacute;il.  In fact, in many crucial respects, Fianna F&aacute;il was the architect of that very two-tier system.</p><p>The rest of us are caught in the bun fight between Tweedledum and Tweedledee, a long drawn out domestic dispute between these two parties which, in truth, have very little to mark or distinguish them and which share a disgraceful track record in respect of equality, fairness and the building of a true republic in this jurisdiction.  That is the truth.</p> <p> The truth is also that we are witnessing manoeuvring on who will come out on top.  There is a clear contradiction between making accusations of addiction to power and pleas to move away from control and spin and then perpetuating, or seeking to perpetuate, this very control and spin.  Here is the test for both party leaders, but let me address it particularly to Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin because he was the one who spoke about control and spin and is the one who is fearful, it seems, that the very concept of partnership might be hollowed out.  If he wishes to get away from control and spin, why is he so controlling and gripped with fever to beat his rival, Deputy Enda Kenny, in terms of numbers?  Members on his benches have stated it is not about numbers, but, in fact, it is.  It is precisely about numbers and control - the two big beasts of Irish politics throwing the rattle out of the pram because they do not have it all their own way any more.  In the absence of marginalising the rest of us, they are now turning in on each other.  The establishment is turning in on itself and we have the fiasco that we have witnessed.  That is not good enough.</p> <p> Here are the numbers and the mathematics as of today.  We had 52 against 43.  To me, that is a fairly straightforward verdict.  I do not want to see either Deputy Enda Kenny or Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin as Taoiseach.  I would go so far as to say neither of them is fit to be Taoiseach.  I do not want to see either of their parties in government.  I can tell them that, like many others, I dread the idea of them finally kissing and making up and being in government together in whatever incarnation.  This would not be good for the people I represent.  I know this.  It would not be good for the people Sinn F&eacute;in and so many other progressive and independent Deputies represent.  We all know this.  However, we also know what the numbers are and fully and finally that the two of them need to make up their minds.  Are they doing it or are they not?  Do not insult us by prolonging this farce. </p> <p> The Taoiseach spoke about respect for Members' mandates.  He has no respect for their mandates because we are left in a situation where not alone do we not have a Government but we also do not have opposition.  We have a "caretaker Government" with absolutely no democratic scrutiny.  The Taoiseach has deliberately and in a prolonged way frustrated our right to do and fulfil our democratic duty.  How dare he do this?  He has no right to do so.  As for lecturing the rest of us about our responsibility to ensure a stable Government, our bigger responsibility is to ensure good government.  He will not use the figleaf of stability and his apparent road to Damascus conversion to democracy, transparency and partnership as the means to co-opt us into politics and policies that are bad for our communities and Ireland and that will never ever deliver the republic the people deserve.</p> <p> They should get on with it, make up their minds and stop insulting people's intelligence with the poses and posturing they strike.  They are like Tweedledum and Tweedledee with devil the bit between them.  Make the deal and do it quickly and, if they cannot do so, they should be very clear that it was they who were not interested in being in government and that it will be they who will force another general election.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.148" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1325" speakername="Jan O'Sullivan" time="16:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400021#W00200"><p>I find it profoundly depressing to witness the farce we have seen in the D&aacute;il today.  I came here more than a decade ago to contribute progressively and positively as a parliamentarian, like everyone else here, and I have done so both in opposition and in government.  This D&aacute;il does absolutely no service to the people of Ireland who elected the 158 of us who sit in this Chamber.  We need to do something about this.  For 104 years the Labour Party has been a voice in and out of government for progress in Ireland.  We have had the guts to go into government when we have had the numbers to make a difference.  Unfortunately, ours is a smaller party now than it has been for many years, but our role is still vital to the progress of the nation.</p>  <p>  In the past seven weeks as a party we have grappled with our changed position.  Many long-standing public representatives and friends of mine have left Leinster House.  Many of the staff who put in countless hours in supporting us, campaigning and working on behalf of the people, find themselves without work.  Politics can be cruel and the Labour Party has certainly paid a price.  However, among our members and those who support us, we have repeatedly seen something very bright - the undimmed passion of people who want to continue the fight to make Ireland a better and more equal nation.</p>  <p>  Since my first involvement in politics I have known that the Labour Party cannot act alone.  We are a progressive force in Ireland, but we are not the only ones.  I am glad that we are beginning discussions with other parties on the responsible left.  I hope these discussions will see a progressive alliance develop in the House.  Such an alliance must, in my view, retain one central focus - a roadmap to deliver social and economic equity and equality.  We must argue for the policies that are sadly lacking from any of the proposals which have so far emerged during the seven weeks of talking, leaks and grandstanding.</p>  <p>  A D&aacute;il programme deserving of progressive support must do more than simply use the language of the Labour Party of building a strong economy for a decent society.  It must include the policies which could bring this about.  A progressive programme would set the eradication of child poverty as a national objective, as my party leader stated, and include the funding structures and policies that could at least halve the level of child poverty in Ireland by 2021.  It would close the growing gap between rich and poor by protecting the real value of social welfare payments, providing a living wage for all in work and making sure changes to income taxes would exclude any benefit to higher earners.  It would build on the work done by the previous Government to protect the rights of workers.  For example, it would make a clear commitment to outlawing abusive terms and conditions of employment, including low pay, insecure hours and enforced and bogus self-employment, and address abuses of zero-hour and if and when contracts.</p>  <p>  A progressive programme for Government would deliver on the promise of equality of opportunity for all, with a step change in investment in child care, the continued reduction of class sizes at all school levels, which we started, and a real commitment to end all discrimination in school admissions, regardless of religion, social class or family connection.  It would recognise the need to truly grasp the scale of the housing crisis, with a new balance between the common good and property rights to allow for site value taxes and the protection of all tenants, including in the event of property sales.  It would provide a clear and time-limited roadmap for the repeal of the eighth amendment and set new ambitions for delivering local democracy and the infrastructure local communities need.  I suggest it would also include a commitment to hold a referendum to retain Irish Water in public ownership and protect the rights of those working for Irish Water.  These are progressive policies.  They would not bankrupt the nation, nor would they prevent progress from being made in other policy areas.  Unfortunately, as the Labour Party has seen no proposals to address these issues, we have not been able to support a candidate for Taoiseach today.</p>  <p>  As the T&aacute;naiste stated, seven weeks have passed during which we have watched Independents refuse to support any party until Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il make a deal and Fianna F&aacute;il demand Independents' support before it will continue talks with Fine Gael.  We have watched and waited, but here we are with no one getting much support outside his or her own ranks.  Those of us who have been elected to this House have a duty to reach beyond narrow self-interest.  We have a duty to the people and the nation.  It is about time those with the numbers required to form a Government got around to recognising this duty.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.149" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1238" speakername="Richard Boyd Barrett" time="16:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400021#W00300"><p>Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il are holding the country to ransom.  Citizens have been left stranded and are increasingly becoming angry and frustrated as for close to 50 days Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il have been playing out this really cynical spectacle.</p><p><i>5 o&amp;rsquo;clock</i></p> <p>This is motivated solely by the pursuit of political power, while the citizens are blighted with a diabolical housing and homelessness crisis that is worsening on a daily basis and a chronic situation in our hospitals.  The blight of low pay, inflicted mostly by the last Government, but also previously by the Fianna F&aacute;il-led Government, is now leading to workers rightly making pay claims and the possibility of very serious industrial conflicts, which we are already seeing play out at Luas, with Tesco workers also balloting for strike action.</p> <p> While all of that is going on, there is the scandal of the Panama papers, in which we discover firms without nameplates hidden away up residential streets facilitating hundreds of Irish companies to engage in transactions offshore in tax havens such as the British Virgin Islands and almost certainly involved in tax evasion or massive tax avoidance, robbing the suffering citizens of this country of millions, tens of millions or possibly hundreds of millions of euro.</p> <p> We cannot discuss any of this nor do anything about it because of the spectacle of Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael manoeuvring to be top dog and refusing to accept that the days when the political establishment could control both the Government and the Opposition are over.  They cannot stand that history has moved on and that they cannot control both sides of the House.  However, they will have to accept it.  Things are changing.  I heard Deputy Lisa Chambers talk about the fact that Fianna F&aacute;il does not want to break promises and that the people demanded a change of Government.  Yes, they demanded a change of Government, but not because they are interested in the personnel or the banner of Fianna F&aacute;il or Fine Gael or any other political banner.  It was because they want changes in policies.  Their anger at political betrayal is due to the fact that people make promises about specific policies and issues that affect them and then abandon those policies and promises.  That is why the Labour Party has disintegrated as the political force-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.151" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1325" speakername="Jan O'Sullivan" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X00200"><p>It has not disintegrated.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.152" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1238" speakername="Richard Boyd Barrett" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X00300"><p>It has disintegrated as the major political force on the left in this country, not because of who it talks to or who it got into bed with, but because of the policies and promises-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.153" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1325" speakername="Jan O'Sullivan" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X00400"><p>The Deputy just wants to stay on the outside and whinge all the time.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.154" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1238" speakername="Richard Boyd Barrett" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X00500"><p>-----that they abandoned.  That is what people are concerned about.</p><p>What I, and I believe most of the country, would like to know is what the difference is between Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael.  I consider myself reasonably studied and knowledgeable in Irish politics, but if someone were to ask me what is the difference between Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael, I would scratch my head and say, &quot;I haven't got a clue&quot;.  I defy any member of Fianna F&aacute;il or Fine Gael to explain to me the difference between them.  If the spectacle being played out at the moment were a debate about issues and policies, I believe the country could understand that and might even be willing to wait.  However, there are no discussions about those.  The only issue we have heard mentioned is water charges and the two parties have to talk about that because the people put it on the agenda.  However, that is not an obstacle to forming a Government because there is a very simple arithmetic to it.  The majority of Deputies in this D&aacute;il promised, because of a mass popular movement, that they would get rid of water charges.  No debate is necessary.  That is not an obstacle to Deputies from Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael talking to each other.  All they have to do is respect the democratic wishes of the people as expressed in the election.</p><p>Both Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael have fired out little jibes at &quot;the others&quot;, who are not willing to talk and address the issues affecting the country.  <i>Au contraire.</i>Today Deputy Br&iacute;d Smith held a meeting, to which everybody in this D&aacute;il was invited, where the Luas workers, who have been maligned and misrepresented regarding a very serious industrial dispute affecting citizens in this country-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.155" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X00600"><p>Will the Deputy conclude now please?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.156" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1238" speakername="Richard Boyd Barrett" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X00700"><p>This briefing sought to resolve the dispute and end the industrial action on a fair basis.  Interestingly, nobody from Fine Gael or the Labour Party turned up to that briefing.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.157" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X00800"><p>Will the Deputy conclude please?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.158" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1238" speakername="Richard Boyd Barrett" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X00900"><p>We are interested and willing to co-operate with anybody on the issues that affect people, whether it is housing, health, industrial relations or whatever, but the fact is that Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael are not interested in those issues.  That is not what they are debating-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.159" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1224" speakername="Miche&aacute;l Martin" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X01000"><p>We were there.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.160" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1342" speakername="Eugene Murphy" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X01100"><p>Fianna F&aacute;il was represented at that meeting.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.161" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1238" speakername="Richard Boyd Barrett" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X01200"><p>They are debating who will be Taoiseach.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.162" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X01300"><p>Will the Deputy please conclude?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.163" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1342" speakername="Eugene Murphy" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X01400"><p>On a point of order, Fianna F&aacute;il was represented at that meeting.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.164" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1238" speakername="Richard Boyd Barrett" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X01500"><p>It was.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.165" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X01600"><p>I thank the Deputy for that clarification.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.166" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1316" speakername="Catherine Connolly" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X01700"><p>I take exception, as one of the Independents 4 Change Deputies, to being told that we are sitting here not participating, particularly by the Labour Party, but also by other parties in this House.  It has been about seven weeks since the election, and seven is usually a significant number.  It was considered the age of reason for a very long time, certainly throughout my childhood, and we talk about the seven ages of man.  It is usually associated with insight, but I have seen no insight from either of the big political parties here.</p>  <p>  I have waited, watched and participated and I have not heard or seen one single policy document to deal with the housing crisis.  I am not about to throw out figures because I am sick and tired of figures being thrown out.  Let me quote a short paragraph for the attention of the House from somebody who is not known as a radical leftist, John O'Connor, chief executive of the Housing Agency.  In it he states: "Affordable, high-quality housing provision will reduce poverty and inequality, improve quality of life, increase international competitiveness, increase disposable income, and will have a bigger impact on the lives of more citizens than almost any other policy intervention".  Yet we have no policy document on housing.  We have Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il talking about mechanisms of co-operation, that is, how they will save face.</p>  <p>  A female Deputy to my right, who has since left the Chamber, talked about leaving egos behind.  That is exactly what this is about, it is about two egos in competition, finding mechanisms to work with each other, but there is no policy document on housing.  It is a disgrace that we have not listened to people such as Fr. Peter McVerry and all of the non-governmental organisations that have called for the recognition of a national emergency in housing, because that is what we face.  Why do we have it?  Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il are part of the problem and, unfortunately, so was Labour.  Under Labour and Fine Gael, the most fundamental change in housing policy was brought in under the Housing (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2014, which introduced the housing assistance payment.  Once in receipt of the payment, one was considered adequately housed - in private accommodation and with no security of tenure - and removed from the waiting list.  I understand there was very little discussion-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.167" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1325" speakername="Jan O'Sullivan" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X01800"><p>They can go on the transfer list, for the Deputy's information.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.168" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1316" speakername="Catherine Connolly" time="17:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400022#X01900"><p>I did not interrupt the Deputy.  She had plenty of time to talk.</p>  <p>  I will quote from another organisation that is not known as radically left-wing, Sherry FitzGerald.  It tells us in yesterday's newspapers: "The property market is in crisis".  It goes on to state: "Rising housing prices mask true dysfunction of property market".  I have not heard one single proposal to deal in an integrated way with the housing crisis.  The most fundamental part of the solution is that we inform the local authorities and provide funding so that they can build homes for our people.</p>  <p>  Time after time, on the doors, people asked us to do something about the health service.  Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il have been part of the problem.  Both party leaders visited Galway and both said the hospital there was not fit for purpose, particularly the accident and emergency department.  I am not one of those Independents who wants to highlight one hospital in Waterford as opposed to another hospital.  I am here because I believe in public health for all of us.  Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il, with the help of Labour, have systematically run down the health service.  I am familiar with the issue as I have been a member of the regional health forum from since 2006.  In the past there was any amount of money for the National Treatment Purchase Fund or the special delivery unit.  Now there is money to send our patients abroad.</p><p>Would you, a Cheann Comhairle, like to travel abroad to receive treatment in France and borrow money in the credit union if you could get it, or would you like to spend a number of days on a trolley?  I say, "Hands up," to see if any Deputy has spent three or four days on a trolley.  We should have a sense of outrage about this and be in the business of doing something about it.</p> <p> I ask the Independents who have gone over to Fine Gael or Fianna F&aacute;il to stand with us.  I am issuing that challenge.  Let them stand with us and stand for, among other solutions, a public housing programme.  There is a place for the private landlord, but it must be balanced by an active local authority building programme.  Let them stand with us in favour of a public health system, regardless of whether it will take five or ten years.  Let them stand with us in support of Luas workers, with whom we stood today and from whom we have learned about their scandalous portrayal by the media.  Let us stand with the group we met on the last occasion, Peace and Neutrality Alliance, PANA, which alerted us to the figures showing the militarisation of Shannon Airport and the many other groups we have met in the past few weeks.  I did not see Labour Party Members there.  I also did not see Fine Gael Deputies there.  We also met the representatives of the patients who had suffered symphysiotomy.  We have used our strength in numbers on the left to support these vulnerable people.</p> <p> I proudly say I will take my role seriously, in government as soon as we have the numbers and in opposition in the meantime.  If two parties or alliances on the left had the same numbers - 50 and 43 Deputies, respectively - we would be demonised in the media for not forming a government.  Shame on them for not doing so.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.170" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1226" speakername="Catherine Murphy" time="17:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400023#Y00500"><p>It became obvious to most of us, not today, last week or four weeks ago but on the day of the count, that the numbers dictated that those in two large blocks would be the key players.  Essentially, the numbers have not changed since.  It is about politics, but, first and foremost, it is about the numbers.  Today, as it was last week, is about an individual, Deputy Enda Kenny, as opposed to Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin.  That was the choice we were asked to make.  It is a charade.  It has to be about political choices, but we have not seen any programme.  We have merely been asked to vote for an individual, but, essentially, that is not what most of us thought the notion of electing a Taoiseach would be about.</p>  <p>  Obviously, we are in a changed environment.  We are operating in a polarised D&aacute;il because society has been polarised by decisions made.  There is a great wealth divide, with a significant level of child poverty at a time when there is significant wealth in the country.  People have become millionaires by some of the choices made.  We look at the choices made on housing whereby the market, not only in the past five years but probably in the past 20, has been the dominant means by which houses have been delivered, yet at the same time waiting lists have grown.  I am dealing with a family - a father and a mother and their two young children - who have nowhere to go tonight and it is no different on other days.  It is about political choices.</p>  <p>  I listened to the proposer of Deputy Enda Kenny as Taoiseach who talked about Fine Gael believing in a fair society.  The decisions made in the past five years were underpinned by an ideology that did not deliver a fair society.  There were choices to be made.  Throughout those five years many of us identified issues, particularly housing and the provision of health services, on which the choices being made, in fact, caused the situation to worsen.</p>  <p>  I listened to the Labour Party - as if it was ground zero day - over-promise prior to the 2011 general election, but it under-performed hugely-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.171" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1325" speakername="Jan O'Sullivan" time="17:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400023#Y00600"><p>We achieved quite a lot with very little money.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.172" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1226" speakername="Catherine Murphy" time="17:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400023#Y00700"><p>-----and walked away telling us there would be a game changer in dealing with the debt issue.  We are still waiting for the game changer.  The Minister, Deputy Jan O'Sullivan, might talk about the price her colleagues are paying, but, my goodness, society is still carrying that debt, about which it thought something would be done.  There was a big promise made in that regard.</p>  <p>  The Social Democrats want to act constructively in this D&aacute;il.  About three weeks ago we said the inevitable was being postponed, that one needed to have Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael talking to each other because they comprised the two large blocks.  That has to happen, but at the same time there is a constructive role for the D&aacute;il to play.  I am encouraged by the engagement taking place at the D&aacute;il reform committee and the changes that might allow a more equal mandate in the engagement we will see in this D&aacute;il if it carries through into the decisions made.  No doubt there are differences between Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael, but what is not different is the ideology that has underpinned the policy decisions that have led to the health service, housing system and corporate governance arrangements we have in place.</p>  <p>  I will make one final point.  I have said repeatedly in the past few years that Irish Water is about much more.  It is shorthand for a lot of other issues.  There was hardly a doorstep in my constituency on which it was not mentioned.  Pensioners told me about how they had been pauperised by various charges.  People did not like the idea that others were gaining at their expense.  They could name persons who they believed were gaining at their expense through the contracts that had been awarded.  It is important, therefore, that we understand that it is about a lot more than Irish Water.  As somebody pointed out, a majority of Members in this D&aacute;il take a different view from that of Fine Gael takes on this issue.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.173" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1294" speakername="Eamon Ryan" time="17:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400023#Y00800"><p>I will reflect on what happened today.  This morning the attention was on the statement which has been issued by 13 Independent Deputies, not all of whom who have been engaged in the talks.  Reading the statement, they are looking for two things - that the two parties mentioned treat each other with equal esteem and that some agreement covering three budgets be reached between the two parties, in conjunction with whoever may enter into government with whichever party is able to form a minority Government.  I heard the Taoiseach accepting that responsibility, as he has done in the past four or five weeks, to try to establish a Government.  Having been partially involved for a period of time with genuine intent, I see no reason to question his motives or the approach made.  He at least acknowledged in the response to the Independents that he will continue to try to do this.  Unless my ears deceived me, I also heard Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin say that he, too, was so willing to step up to the plate, with his party behind him, even though some of the later speeches may have set a slightly different tone.  I read between the lines an acknowledgement that in this instance it is more likely that a minority Fine Gael Administration may be formed, but he was willing to enter talks.  I agree with his caveat in that regard, that, by and large, it would be better to do it without being in the full glare of the media and without people tweeting or posting comments on Facebook.  That is what I heard in this Chamber, but perhaps I am wrong.  If I have misread the basic intent of Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin, I ask him to interrupt me, but my sense is - the Deputy is nodding his head - that my assessment is not wrong.</p><p>To a certain extent, the statements from the Independents are, aside from history, part of the process, given that we have moved on from the requirement for parity of esteem which existed during recent days.  To a certain extent, it is moving to the next step.<br/><br/>As Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin is involved in the process, I will give him some advice.  He is right to address the issue of Irish Water first and remove it from any programme for Government negotiations that may take place in the establishment of a minority Government.  I listened to what Deputy Jan O'Sullivan and others said, that holding a referendum on public ownership might be one of the ways of addressing some of the fears about which Deputy Catherine Murphy spoke, that it is about something much wider.  I hope it is possible for some sort of agreement on it.<br/><br/>I also have a sense from all sides that there is widespread agreement that if we can form a Government and avoid an election - Deputy Coveney said an election would be a failure on all our parts - we want a greater degree of social equity and justice and a new Government to tackle income inequality and poverty.  If there is one outcome of the election, discerning what people were saying, I sense this in the result.  Given the statements here, I do not sense that people disagree with it.  If some sort of minority Government is formed, let this be at the core.  The Green Party's vision is that an ecological and social justice approach go hand in hand.<br/><br/>How we engage in the process and strive to seek such social justice is also important.  I am glad we do not have an adversarial Chamber but that there is a bit of a curve in the House.  If, as Deputy Miche&aacute;l Martin said, we are going to reach an historic moment in which we take a minority rather than a majority approach, facing each other and shouting and screaming at each other will not work.  If, as Deputy Catherine Murphy said, we are to take the changes we are agreeing in the Sub-Committee on D&aacute;il Reform, it requires that all of us, in opposition and in government, start addressing each other and working with each other in a consensual manner.  As just one reflection of what I have heard this afternoon, I quote from Bertolt Brecht's poem &quot;To Posterity&quot;:</p><blockquote>For we knew only too well:<br /><br />Even the hatred of squalor<br /><br />Makes the brow grow stern.<br /><br />Even anger against injustice<br /><br />Makes the voice grow harsh.  Alas, we<br /><br />Who wished to lay the foundations of kindness<br /><br />Could not ourselves be kind.</blockquote><p>Let us be slightly kind to each other in the next week, give each other a little space, talk to each other with a little respect.  We all have social justice in our hearts and aspirations.  Let us try to achieve it through co-operation in whatever evolves during the coming weeks.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.175" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1358" speakername="Katherine Zappone" time="17:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400024#Z00200"><p>Today, I reached a decision on Government formation and voting for a Taoiseach.  My Independent colleagues issued a statement that went otherwise.  I was not invited to the meeting from which the statement came, which I believe was inadvertent.  I agree with the statement that we need to hasten the formation of a Government and give stability to the people.  I also agree with the statement in that I hope Fianna F&aacute;il and Fine Gael can agree to give mutual support to each other.  I hope what Deputy Eamon Ryan said and what we heard from both leaders is true.  I also agree that we need a minimum of three budgets to give stability.</p>  <p>  While I am in agreement with my fellow Independent Members, I believe the best way to move forward with this is to identify which minority Government we would be willing to support.  This is the way to practice the new politics about which we are all talking.  The housing agencies, one of which Deputy Connolly quoted, the business leaders, disability groups and medical professionals are all calling for a government.  The Opposition is calling for a government.  The people are calling for a government.  It is time for us to act on these calls.  Given that a second election will not change the outcome, we must examine how to deliver our promises through a minority government.</p>  <p>  Since I was elected, I have worked tirelessly to assist in the formation of a government.  I have never accused those who were not at the talks of not doing so.  Almost 100 hours of talks have taken place.  It has been an incredible experience to hear the views of the constituents of other Independent colleagues which are coming onto the table and of the Fine Gael and Fianna F&aacute;il Deputies.  During the election, I promised to share the views of my constituents with everybody who would listen and to talk to anyone who was willing to form a stable government.  Therefore, I vigorously shared, and continue to share, the concerns and issues of the people of Dublin South-West and passionately represented the voice of those facing inequality due to social background, gender or minority status, concern with housing, child care, health, disability and the referendum on the eighth amendment.  I vigorously and passionately argued these issues and learned a considerable amount in the discussions from those who shared them, listening to the diversity of views.</p>  <p>  Full equality is possible, but not without a Government that is willing to consider it as an integral part of its vision to build a vibrant economy and a just society.  I stand with the groups which Deputy Connolly identified, as I have demonstrated.  In light of my decision today, I think Fine Gael is willing to take on, and make integral to its vision, a belief that full equality is possible.  This is the future, if it is not the past, to which Deputy McDonald referred.  I hope my vote today for Deputy Enda Kenny as Taoiseach brings us closer to forming a minority government so we can get on with the work which all our constituents want us to do.  After seven weeks, while the public has waited, I believe it was the right thing for me to do.</p></speech>
    <major-heading id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.176" nospeaker="true" time="17:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400024#Z00300">Business of Dáil</major-heading>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.177" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="17:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400024#Z00400"><p>Before moving to the next business, at the request of the Sub-Committee on D&aacute;il Reform, I wish to update the House on the work of the sub-committee, which has met on four occasions since its establishment.</p>  <p>  The sub-committee agreed a formal work programme at its first meeting on 23 March based on the broad range of submissions it had received.  At the meeting, the sub-committee also discussed the establishment of a business committee, rules governing Technical Groups allowing for more than one Technical Group and fewer Members to form a Technical Group, dedicated committee time, fixed times for voting and provision to allow for formal abstentions in votes.  The sub-committee completed its deliberations on these matters at its second meeting on 5 April, the details of which were set out in the interim report laid before the House last week.</p>  <p>  The intention is to bring forward new Standing Orders which will permit the business committee to be established.  The committee will agree the sessional and weekly agenda of business for the D&aacute;il and will give all groups represented in the D&aacute;il access to and control over the business coming before the House.  The sub-committee has also agreed a fixed time for voting, which it is envisaged will take place on Thursday afternoons.  There will be a number of exceptions, such as for the Order of Business, the naming of a Member for disorderly behaviour, which I am sure will not happen, and for Committee and Report Stages of Bills.  Apart from these, all votes will take place together and Members will be able to register their intention to abstain.</p>  <p>  The combined impact of the more effective planning of business and the new voting arrangements will be to improve the working environment, particularly for Members with young families.  It is very evident from the submissions to and discussions at the sub-committee that Members are faced with competing demands on their time due to the fact that the D&aacute;il and committees meet at the same time.  The sub-committee has, therefore, proposed splitting committee and plenary time.  Committees will meet on Wednesday and Thursday mornings from 9 a.m. to 12 noon and plenary time will commence at 12 noon on those days and at 2 p.m. on Tuesdays.</p><p>This allows for dedicated committee time which will no longer clash with business or votes in the D&aacute;il.  The issues in relation to groups were also examined in detail and agreement was reached to reduce the size of groups to a minimum of five Members and to permit more than one Technical Group to be formed.</p> <p> At its third meeting on 6 April, the sub-committee gave detailed consideration to parliamentary questions and agreed certain new arrangements.  Leaders&rsquo; Questions will be taken at the commencement of each sitting for 28 minutes.  The current time limit of seven minutes per individual question will be retained, allowing for four questions to be taken each day.  The use of the clock was approved to aid the enforcement of time limits.</p> <p> Taoiseach's Oral Questions will be taken for 45 minutes immediately after Leaders' Questions on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.  A limit of three Oral Questions per Member per session will be permitted.  A key change here is that questions not reached will continue to be automatically tabled for the next oral session.  However, the roll-over period will be limited to two weeks so that questions which are not reached within two weeks of appearing on the Order Paper will receive written answers.  The use of the clock for Taoiseach&rsquo;s Oral Questions was also approved.</p> <p> The sub-committee agreed that Priority and Oral Questions to Ministers will be taken on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays and the time allocated for them will be extended to 90 minutes, with 30 minutes for Priority Questions and 60 minutes for Other Questions.  This period of 90 minutes will run from the time the first priority question is put and not from a fixed time.  It was also agreed to reinstate sessional orders 38(1)(ii) and 38(1A) from the Thirty-first D&aacute;il to the effect that a Member must be present in the Chamber to ask an Oral Question in his or her name.  However, this will be subject to the proviso that the Member may nominate a substitute questioner by giving 24 hours' notice in writing to the Ceann Comhairle's office.  Each questioner will be permitted to give a 30-second introduction to his or her question.  A single spokesperson of a group may put down a maximum of five Oral Questions.</p> <p> The sub-committee agreed to reinstate sessional order 27A from the Thirty-first D&aacute;il providing for Topical Issues to be taken on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays.  While the Ceann Comhairle has discretion in selecting the issues for answer, some guiding principles for the selection process were agreed.  The sub-committee further agreed that requests for substitution of the relevant Minister will be formalised and that in such cases, the Ceann Comhairle's office will engage with the relevant Member directly.  It was further agreed that a substitute issue will be chosen to cover a possible deferral to maximise the number of issues taken each day.  If this issue is not selected, it will be taken on the next sitting day along with any deferred issue.</p> <p> The sub-committee agreed that Members may submit written questions twice during the summer recess: first, one week following the adjournment for the recess and second, two weeks prior to the resumption following the recess.  The sub-committee agreed that a new Standing Order will be drafted to allow Members to request further information from the Ceann Comhairle on rulings on the disallowance of questions.  It was noted that this will not be an appeal mechanism against the Ceann Comhairle's rulings but rather an acknowledgement that the Ceann Comhairle is happy to provide additional information to Members on his rulings, as has always been the case.</p> <p> The sub-committee agreed that the time period specified in the repeat rule for Oral Questions should be reduced to two months from the current period of four months.  It was agreed to abolish the current rule that questions should not anticipate the discussion of any matter which is scheduled in the D&aacute;il in the same week.  It was agreed that administrative arrangements will be put in place to notify all Members of their provisional lottery numbers on the day the lottery is held, rather than having to wait for them to appear on the Order Paper.  It was agreed the current question deadlines under Standing Orders will be retained.  The question of accountability of State bodies is under active consideration by the sub-committee and a recommendation in this regard will follow.</p> <p> The sub-committee agreed to reinstate sessional order 40A to allow for a process of written appeal by a Member to the Ceann Comhairle regarding the adequacy of a ministerial reply to Oral Questions, Topical Issues and Written Questions.  If the Ceann Comhairle upholds a Member&rsquo;s complaint, his decision shall be laid before the D&aacute;il.  The two-day notice requirement will be extended to four working days.  The Ceann Comhairle may rule on the relevance of an oral reply on the spot if he is of the opinion that there has been a clear failure to impart the information sought.  The sub-committee agreed that further time would be provided for Private Members' business and that a percentage of that time must be dedicated to Private Members' Bills.</p> <p> At its meeting yesterday, the sub-committee considered proposals for the committee system and financial scrutiny.  It gave particular consideration to the establishment of a budget and finance committee and an independent parliamentary budget office.  The overwhelming view of Members was that both need to be put in place.  The sub-committee will return to these matters in a fortnight to formally agree proposals for submission to the House.  The final strand of the sub-committee&rsquo;s work concerns the legislative process to be considered by the sub-committee at its meeting next Wednesday.  By the end of April, the sub-committee will have discussed all matters on its work programme.  It will then agree a draft report to the House.  Following this, draft Standing Orders will be submitted to give effect to the new arrangements.  We expect to have those new draft Standing Orders early in May.</p> <p> The overall objective of the D&aacute;il reform process has been to improve the effectiveness of the House so that it can better meet the needs of those we serve.  All the measures being considered are designed to achieve this objective.  I do not doubt that when they are implemented, they will make a discernible difference to how we conduct our proceedings.  I pay tribute to all of the Members who are serving on the sub-committee.  They have approached the process in an open, constructive and considered way.  As a group, we have shared objectives and have operated by consensus.  I think this augurs well for the new arrangements which will ultimately be put in place to conduct business in the Thirty-second D&aacute;il.  I pay tribute to the Clerk of the D&aacute;il and all his senior staff, who have worked inordinately hard to support the committee in the work it has been engaged in.</p></speech>
    <major-heading id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.179" nospeaker="true" time="17:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400025#AA00200">Housing Issues: Statements</major-heading>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.180" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="17:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400025#AA00300"><p>We have spoken on this issue many times.  As everyone knows, it is the most important issue facing us in this country at the moment.  It cannot wait for a new Government to be formed.  As anyone with a genuine interest in housing knows, tackling the housing problem is not an overnight process; it is a long process.  We all know that the consequences of the collapse of the construction industry have been devastating.  We need to realise the scale of the challenge that faces us.  Since 2006, when more than 93,000 houses were built in a single year, the property collapse has all but wiped out our construction industry, which has yet to repair itself.  As this country has a growing population and a growing economy, it requires the construction of 25,000 new homes every year.  The construction industry is barely handling half of that number.  The construction sector and the housing system in Ireland are badly broken.  They have suffered severely from the effects of the economic crash and are taking a long time to recover.  It is going to take longer for the recovery to happen.  This is not unique to Ireland.  As a result of the mistakes of the past, when the residential sector was allowed to be a key driver of national economic performance rather than a contributor to it, and when housing was treated as a commodity and a means of wealth creation, the situation in Ireland is extremely challenging.</p>  <p>  I was under no illusions when I took office.  I understood that this was one of the biggest challenges facing the country as it emerged from the economic crisis.  At the end of March of this year, I facilitated a Forum on Housing and Homelessness.  All parties and political groupings were invited to the forum and most of them came to it.  Representatives of housing non-governmental organisations, local authorities, approved housing bodies, the Irish Banking Federation, the Central Bank and the Departments of Finance and Social Protection were also invited.  There were speakers from the Housing Agency, the Construction Industry Federation, the Private Residential Tenancies Board, the National Asset Management Agency, the Dublin Regional Homelessness Executive and the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government.</p><p>I made the following three key points at the forum.  First, housing is a spectrum and every segment has an effect on every other part of the sector.  Every player, State body or otherwise, has a part to play in solving the housing problem.  Any long-term solution needs the entire system pulling in the same direction to a common goal, namely, more, better, affordable houses and apartments at affordable prices.  There are still too many sectoral interests looking outwards and finger-pointing when it comes to solutions rather than proposing remedies over which they may have control.  </p> <p> Second, there is no panacea to the housing problem.  The solutions to the problem are not all to be found within the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government.  I have repeatedly said that there are many levers that need to move for this problem to be solved, all of which are not to be found within the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government.  In fact, most of them are not.  </p> <p> Third, in trying to seriously and radically tackle this problem, I was hampered not by political or financial obstacles but by legal concerns around the Constitution in terms of the time it is taking to introduce the vacant site levy in order to tackle land hoarding and in regard to protecting tenants from eviction in circumstances where a landlord wishes to sell a property.  I never once stated that constitutional barriers prevented the compulsory purchase of land necessary for social housing.  In my experience, local authorities, in many cases, have sufficient land stock.  My comments were interpreted by some as an effort to blame the Constitution but I was merely stating a fact based on my experience as Minister, and trying to assist the next Government, whatever its make-up, to take up this important mantle.  I had to take the Attorney General's advice.  This particular point which I am making in regard to legal constraints was further emphasised by the Private Residential Tenancies Board, PRTB, in its presentation to the forum.  Those who were there on the day will be aware of this.  To be specific, and for the record, my original proposal was that the vacant site levy be set at 6% to 7% of the land value and that it to come into force next year.  The changes to 2019 and 3% respectively were deemed necessary in the likely event of a constitutional challenge to the courts.  Today, I reaffirm my belief that we need to honestly consider what Article 43 of the Constitution means to us as a nation, to re-examine the balance between the protected and legitimate property rights of individuals, as property owners, and the wider needs and common good of society, including housing need.  As a society, we need to reflect on the desired impact of the Constitution in this instance.</p> <p> I also take this opportunity to counter some of what has been claimed regarding the rapid-build homes in Ballymun.  By no means did everything go to plan with the local authority.  However, rather than be critical of Dublin City Council, I will give it some leeway as this was the first time ever such a process was put in place and there were key learnings to be made for utilisation into the future.  While costs are being finalised, I remind people that these homes are for people currently residing in hotels.  In that regard, they will pay for themselves in terms of the savings generated from the State not having to pay expensive hotel bills.  New units are also vitally needed.  While the local authorities are already active in the local market in terms of purchases, additional units are also needed.  Also, there was a premium to be paid for the timelines involved as these homes were the fastest ever built in the history of Ireland.  I anticipate that the next round of procurement will run much smoother and represents part of an overall solution.  I hope that the future Government will continue with the current programme.</p> <p> On the issue of affordability and supply of private housing, for my part I dealt with the issues under my direct control, including reform of Part V to balance viability and social delivery; retrospective application of reduced development contributions; targeted development of the contribution rebate scheme in Dublin and Cork, focused on large scale developments at affordable prices; the introduction of a vacant site levy; consistent application of apartment standard guidelines; streamlining of the process for the making of modifications to Strategic Development Zone, SDZ, schemes; development contribution rebates for residential developments and more.  </p> <p> The housing actions report, which was published today - I encourage every Member of the House to read the report which is available on my Department's website - provides further information on 31 major actions taken across the housing spectrum in the past 21 months to increase the supply of housing, including social housing.  NAMA is also playing its part and expects to fund the construction of up to 20,000 new residential units, predominantly in Dublin and the neighbouring counties, over the next five years.</p> <p> In terms of social housing, the State is committed to helping those struggling to meet their own housing needs.  When I took up office I made social housing an absolute priority.  Through the Social Housing Strategy 2020, I am glad to say the State has been returned to its central role in the provision of social housing.  In January, I published the first annual social housing output statement covering the first year of the strategy's implementation.  Again, I encourage every Deputy to read this document in which the facts are independently laid out.  Given the impact of the downturn on social housing construction, it was always going to take time to ramp up but I am happy with what was achieved in 2015.  More than 13,000 new social housing units were delivered in 2015, an 86% increase on 2014; recruitment of 420 housing staff for local authorities was sanctioned; 2,700 vacant social housing units were brought back into use; vacancy rates in Dublin city centre fell to 1%; funding has been approved and sites have been selected for the construction of more than 5,000 new social housing units; and there has been a 10% increase in exits from homelessness year on year.  This momentum needs to be maintained in 2016 if we are to deliver a further 17,000 units to people who need them, roll-out the housing assistance payment scheme to more local authorities and put in place a pilot affordable rental scheme in place for those on low incomes.  I continue to implement the measures set out in the social housing strategy and Construction 2020.  </p> <p> New housing alone will not solve homelessness.  According to the Dublin Regional Homelessness Executive figures, relationship or family breakdown is now the single largest cause of homelessness in the Dublin region.  This not only has its roots in a lack of the right type of housing.  Family breakdown is often exacerbated by poverty, poor income and employment prospects, as well as family complications.  Making available free family mediation services as well as tackling poverty in a wider social sense may help ease this burden - I am confident it will help ease this burden - and prevent families from falling further into homelessness.</p> <p> While 3,930 adults were identified as homeless in February 2016, it should be noted that more than 2,000 sustainable tenancies were secured for homeless households during 2015.  Successful actions and initiatives are being implemented to prevent and address homelessness, including reforms to the private rental sector, the provision of rent certainty for tenants and the programme of rapid-delivery housing, which will provide more than 500 units in the Dublin region, although I accept we need more.   Under the tenancy sustainment initiatives, there will be increases in the level of rent supplement to approximately 7,000 clients.  In January 2015, I issued a direction which requires key local authorities to allocate at least 50% of tenancies to homeless and other vulnerable households.</p> <p> The problems are complex and broad and require a comprehensive response.  This Government has put in place the foundations for the solution to this problem across the entire housing spectrum and there is a responsibility on the new Government, whatever its make-up, to continue this work and to do so as a matter of priority.  We need to have a grown-up conversation about Article 43 of the Constitution and getting the balance right between the rights of the individual, as regards property rights, and the common good, the effect it has on the rights of tenants relative to the rights of landlords and the effect it has on the ability of the State to tackle land hoarding and land speculation.  I know all about this because I was at Cabinet taking the legal advice.  </p> <p> I mentioned earlier that a document was published today, which I again encourage everyone to read, that sets out 31 major actions taken in the past 21 months to tackle the problems in housing, including improving protections for tenants, the roll-out of the &euro;4 billion social housing strategy, reform of planning laws to improve affordability, the roll-out of rapid-build for the first time ever and many more actions.  I have sought to tackle this issue from every possible angle so as to improve the situation for everyone in this country.  This matter has been my priority during my short time as Minister for the Environment, Community and Local Government.  The fruits of this work will take time to become apparent.  We have laid the foundations but the solutions will, like any house, take time to build and implement.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.182" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1217" speakername="Barry Cowen" time="17:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400027#CC00100"><p>I welcome the initiative taken by the Ceann Comhairle in putting this committee in place.  It is an example of how this new and dispersed D&aacute;il can have the desired effect.  The recommendations of the D&aacute;il reform committee outlined by the Ceann Comhairle also augur well for this committee.  I welcome the fact that it has a closed timeframe, which will allow it to make meaningful suggestions and proposals and report back to the D&aacute;il, which in turn will report to the Minister, whomever that may be.</p>  <p>  This can prove the potential of this D&aacute;il in that despite its difficulty in appointing a Taoiseach and subsequently a government, it has the capacity by virtue of the committee system and the willingness of those participating in these committees to make meaningful proposals and solutions that can address what is the greatest challenge facing this country.  It is such a challenge that it is right that it be declared an emergency and that space and time be allowed to create meaningful legislation to give effect to many of the proposals that I am sure will emanate from this process.  Like many others, I believe that in view of the various issues associated with housing and homelessness, there has to be a holistic approach to addressing them in a way which will have the desired effect across the area of public and private housing and the rental sector.</p>  <p>  With regard to public housing, the programme and the strategy initiated by the Government over two years ago referred to the provision of approximately 35,000 social housing units.  The Department officials told us during the course of our discussions in recent weeks that only 12,000 of those are to be direct builds by local authorities.  That is neither efficient nor sufficient and it must be addressed.  The length of time for the process, from the initial approval to construction, is far too tedious and slow.  There are many schemes that have been announced and which are progressing through various stages over the last two years, yet no ground has been broken.  The Department officials tell us that the number of stages in this process has been reduced from eight to four.  It may be reduced further in order to have the desired effect.  In our manifesto, we referred to the provision of approximately 45,000 units and those extra 10,000 units, compared to the strategy the Government announced two years ago, would be in the local authority direct builds sector.  We would improve on that by seeking to bring the additional number up to 22,000 units while improving on deliverability and the methods of deliverability in order for the desired results to come on stream much more quickly and efficiently.</p>  <p>  I ask that the committee should consider other proposals, such as the commitment by the Government in regard to NAMA-developed housing developments over the course of the next two years.  This provides that 10% of these will be designated as social and affordable housing.  That must be improved and increased to at least 20%.  The Minister mentioned that he has made good progress in that regard and that the officials are giving him information to suggest this is happening.  It is contrary to information I have obtained in recent days and weeks from FOI facts and figures provided by local authorities throughout the country.  The figure stands at 2,500.  When the Minister says that 3,000 have been reinstated in the last year that may well be the case, but it may be just paint jobs or wallpapering that has been done.  I do not say that for political gain on my part.  I say that as-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.183" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="17:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400027#CC00200"><p>They are facts.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.184" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1217" speakername="Barry Cowen" time="17:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400027#CC00300"><p>-----a matter of fact that has been provided to me under FOI and I will make that information available to the Minister-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.185" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="17:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400027#CC00400"><p>I will make the facts available to the Deputy.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.186" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1217" speakername="Barry Cowen" time="17:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400027#CC00500"><p>-----so that he can check it with his officials.  If it is the case, we need an explanation as to why.</p>  <p>  Improvements must made to the way in which this issue and the issue of voids are addressed.  There has to be more discretion given to local authorities in dealing with these issues, rather than the current delays, for example in the case of the &euro;30,000 cap provision, and which lead to a wait of many months, even a year in some cases, to access funding that must be made available for such development.</p>  <p>  There must be greater discretion given to local authorities on capital projects.  I understand it is capped at &euro;2 million at present but it should be increased to &euro;5 million.  There should be some aspect of generic design for different-sized developments in different regions of the country.  I know that is something the planners need to look at but this committee should look at the prospect of improvements in that area.</p>  <p>  With regard to the private sector, the cost of development and building units is the stumbling block.  When one compares that cost to the price of units in various parts of the country, the costs far outweigh some of the prices that are being achieved, despite the fact that, for example, NAMA is selling units which the Government is not interested in taking on board.  That is a mistake of the past and it cannot be allowed to happen again in the future.  It is something this committee needs to copperfasten in some form of legislation, or in an alteration to the NAMA legislation.</p>  <p>  The costs associated with construction, through labour, site costs, development charges, certification costs on foot of the new building regulations - in some cases &euro;20,000 in the city of Dublin - and VAT are all issues that need to be investigated.  There needs to be reductions achieved in the areas of costs in order for the 100,000 units that need to be developed over the next five years to be built.  This will help to address the situation of social housing, affordable housing and for people to have units available to rent, lease, buy or whatever the case maybe.</p>  <p>  Access to funds is pivotal.  Many involved in the construction trade will tell the Minister that the banks are not lending.  The Government's intervention in that area was cumbersome, slow, did not meet the criteria or do as it would have wished.  It provided &euro;125 million and I understand there was an American capital fund of &euro;375 million, which gave a total of &euro;500 million.  The rates we believe are being charged are similar to those that the mezzanines are charging, in the region of 15% to 17%.  That will not address the difficulty around accessibility of funds.  Funding has to be drawn down from strategic investment funds, private investment bonds and from the credit unions, who indicated to the Government as far back as 12 months ago, their willingness to make capital funding available to the State for construction initiatives.  These funds could go to the private sector and to housing associations, which are barred from access to private funds.  This must be addressed.</p>  <p>  In the case of State lands, or lands in the ownership of local authorities not being used, there should be some initiatives to allow joint ventures to provide social and leasing units.  In that situation, the VAT on the social element could be removed.  I am aware the Department has an issue with VAT being removed in the private sector but in the case of social units it can make a difference and improve profitability.  The construction sector could make units available to those that need them.  That too must be investigated.</p>  <p>  With regard to town centres, we want to see refurbishment initiatives in the towns and villages throughout the country that have been decimated over the last number of years.  We could look at the compulsory purchase order, CPO, powers and how they could be improved.  I take on board what the Minister has been saying in recent months in regard to property rights and I acknowledge the difficulty there.  I hope that the legal advice being given to the Minister will be made available to the committee so that it could investigate ways and means by which it could be addressed.  I specifically ask that the committee look at the CPO legislation and also to look at ways of making the funding I have mentioned available to address development in derelict buildings, buildings that are in disrepair, buildings that have not been occupied and buildings where the owners do not have access to capital.</p>  <p>  I ask the committee to investigate the area of saving schemes to help people save the necessary deposits to meet the regulations introduced by the Central Bank.</p><p><i>6 o&amp;rsquo;clock</i></p> <p>There should also be recommendations on a weighted allowance for those renting property, which is proof of their capacity to meet the requirements of a mortgage thereafter.  We said the following on the rental sector consistently during the last D&aacute;il, as did many others, apart from the those in government who rejected it at every hand's turn.  It is not just politicians who said it but also stakeholders at the coal-face.  We must increase rent allowance in the short term.  It is as simple as that.  It could be reviewed every six months, while the effect of the other initiatives we have mentioned are beginning to bear fruit, not least those the last Government brought forward.  It was not all bad.  A great deal of it was, but there was some movement.  The Government had the best of intentions on modular homes, but when one heard the information that was given to me and my colleagues late last year, the cost associated with it far outweighed the cost of properties available for sale.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.188" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400028#DD00200"><p>Supply.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.189" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1217" speakername="Barry Cowen" time="18:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400028#DD00300"><p>I acknowledge that there is a road one could go down in the short term in relation to different forms of construction that are barred by local authorities and the Department.  We must look at other methods of construction to deliver housing at a faster pace.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.190" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1250" speakername="Robert Troy" time="18:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400028#DD00400"><p>I understand the next speaker, Deputy Eoin &Oacute; Broin, is sharing time with Deputy David Cullinane.  Is that agreed?  Agreed.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.191" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1215" speakername="Eoin &Oacute; Broin" time="18:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400028#DD00500"><p>Last week Ms Erica Fleming, a young woman who has been living with her daughter, Emily, in emergency accommodation for the past nine months, briefed Deputies in Leinster House.  She spoke about the stress of living in a single hotel room, the frustration of seeing empty, boarded-up homes across the city and the enormous cost to the taxpayer of keeping her and her daughter in cramped emergency accommodation.  She said two things at the briefing that struck and stayed with me.  At a very emotional moment in her talk she said she felt she was letting her daughter down.  I wish to speak directly from the House to Erica and all the other parents whose children will spend tonight in emergency accommodation to say very clearly that they are not letting their children down.  The 1,881 children who will sleep tonight in emergency accommodation are being let down by those in charge of the housing system, which is in crisis.  </p>  <p>  Erica also made a plea to those Deputies who attended the briefing last week.  She urged us to work together to tackle the causes of the housing and homelessness crisis.  It is not enough for me to come to the House today and point fingers.  I accept the responsibility that comes with that.  However, neither is it acceptable for those who are responsible for the housing crisis to blindly defend their record in the face of mounting evidence.  What Erica's nine year old daughter, Emily, needs from us is that we sit down, roll up our sleeves and fix the problems that force so many families to live for months and, increasingly, years in emergency accommodation.  That is the spirit in which Sinn F&eacute;in proposed the all-party group to tackle the housing and homelessness crisis.  I am very pleased that earlier today in the House we had cross-party and Independent support for the committee to be established and start its work.</p>  <p>  Sinn F&eacute;in's intention in proposing the committee was very simple.  We wanted to create a forum in which Members could hear the experiences and listen to the advice of those working at the coal-face of the housing crisis.  Having listened to those views, we want the committee to bring forward policy and legislative recommendations which could be implemented immediately to tackle the crisis.  I agree with the Minister that some of these measures will have to be immediate, while others will be implemented in the medium to long term.  However, the scale of the crisis is such that we must act now.  The committee must start by accepting that the current approach to the housing crisis is not working.  Some of the policies in place are making matters worse.  We must find agreement on the measures which can be taken but which are not being taken to reduce the flow of people into homelessness.  We must also put in place new and better ways to increase the supply of social and affordable housing and improve the regulation of the private rental sector.  This means that all Deputies on all sides of the debate exploring and agreeing to options they may not previously have accepted.  They must include options to stem the spiralling cost of rents, the rising rate of evictions and repossessions, the unacceptable length of time people are spending in emergency accommodation and on housing waiting lists, the high cost of homes for many first-time buyers and the slow pace of housing supply increase in the public and private sectors.  Sinn F&eacute;in will bring forward positive, costed and constructive proposals on all of these matters for consideration and listen to the proposals made by all other parties.</p>  <p>  Emily Fleming will soon have spent almost a full year of her young life in emergency accommodation.  That is unacceptable.  Those of us with the privilege to speak in the House cannot allow that situation to become normalised.  The committee on housing and homelessness must meet as a matter of urgency - I suggest it do so this week - to start the business Emily and the 1,880 other children who tonight do not have homes so desperately need us to get on with.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.192" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" speakername="David Cullinane" time="18:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400028#DD00600"><p>I participated in a debate in the Chamber on housing two weeks ago.  The Minister might just pay attention to some of the speeches being made.  We are here to engage with him.  With respect, he is still the acting Minister and might listen to our contributions.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.193" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400028#DD00700"><p>I am listening to the contributions.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.194" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" speakername="David Cullinane" time="18:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400028#DD00800"><p>I thank the Minister.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.195" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400028#DD00900"><p>I have listened to everyone who spoke.  Continue.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.196" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" speakername="David Cullinane" time="18:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400028#DD01000"><p>I spoke on the issue of housing in the House two weeks ago when I made the Minister aware of a family in Waterford who were living in emergency accommodation.  At the time, they had been living in emergency accommodation for a number of weeks.  I contacted Waterford City and County Council on their behalf.  They also contacted it themselves.  They were told the solution for them was not a house or a home and that there was no support available to find private rented accommodation.  The solution was that they would have to move into a hostel.  Not only would they have to move into a hostel but the mother, who is heavily pregnant and sick, would have to move into one hostel with her two children, while the father would have to move into a different one.  That is the solution, even in terms of emergency accommodation, that was offered to the family.  They are still in emergency accommodation two weeks on.  Are they to be there for two more weeks or months?  There are thousands of children like Emily across the State who are in similar circumstances.</p>  <p>  The Minister said we needed to have a grown-up conversation about Article 43 of the Constitution.  It may be that we do and that there are constitutional issues that need to be addressed.  We in Sinn F&eacute;in support a person's constitutional right to a home and do not have a difficulty in debating that issue.  However, the Minister should, please, not hide behind it and use it as an excuse for the failure of his party and the Government to build social and affordable housing.  I have the new build figures for Waterford City and County Council for the past four years.  In 2012 no houses were built across the entire city and county.  In 2013 no houses were built either.  In 2014 one house was built, while in 2015, again, there were no houses built.  The Government has built one local authority house in four years for the entire population of Waterford city and county.  Last week I visited the rural village of Clashmore in County Waterford where I met dozens of residents to discuss a range of issues.  One of the issues they wanted to talk to me about was the lack of social housing in their village.  Therefore, it is not just an urban issue.  There are many villages across the State where we are not building social and affordable housing and where we are adding to the decline and sense of abandonment of rural Ireland.  This is as much an issue for rural Ireland as it is for urban areas.</p>  <p>  There are many solutions to the housing problem.  There is no excuse for the failure to build social and affordable housing.  While we are often criticised by the Minister for not bringing forward solutions, Sinn F&eacute;in has put forward many solutions to the housing crisis only for the Government to sit on all of them.  It did nothing and allowed the crisis to develop.  The reason there are so many people in distress and without homes or hope is the absolute failure of the Government's policies.</p><p>I am one of 158 Teachta&iacute; D&aacute;la.  I am sure that all of our constituency offices have conveyor belts of families with the same story every day.  They cannot access social housing, so we make representations for them but for what?  One house was built in the past four years.  The homes do not exist.  The local authorities do not have any.  Families are being told that they must enter the private rented sector, which is essentially the privatisation of social housing.  The only solution for them is the private rented sector but landlords are not signing up to any of the schemes, be it the housing assistance payment, HAP, the rental accommodation scheme, RAS, or anything else.  The Minister is shaking his head but family after family in this city and in my city and county cannot find a landlord who will sign up to HAP or RAS.  That is the reality.  People are being told that their only option is the private rented sector and yet there is no hope for them there.</p> <p> People do not need hope in this situation.  They need the State to live up to its responsibility to provide a roof over the heads of those in need.  There is a place for social and affordable housing but the previous Government abandoned it and left people to the mercy of the private sector and Part V developments, which dried up.  There are no new builds and no solutions.  This is the situation.  I hope that it will improve.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.198" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE00200"><p>Waterford has &euro;35 million until the end of next year.  Spend it.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.199" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" speakername="David Cullinane" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE00300"><p>The Minister referred to the &euro;35 million that was available.  I will welcome any funding that is made available.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.200" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE00400"><p>It is available.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.201" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" speakername="David Cullinane" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE00500"><p>What I have told the Minister-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.202" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1250" speakername="Robert Troy" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE00600"><p>The Deputy's time has elapsed and he should speak through the Chair, if he does not mind.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.203" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" speakername="David Cullinane" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE00700"><p>There is no point in the Minister, who is out of office, showing pieces of paper to me.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.204" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE00800"><p>I am not out of office.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.205" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1250" speakername="Robert Troy" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE00900"><p>Through the Chair, please.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.206" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE01000"><p>I am in office and I am telling the Deputy how much money Waterford will have.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.207" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1250" speakername="Robert Troy" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE01100"><p>One speaker, please.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.208" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE01200"><p>The Deputy said that I was not listening.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.209" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" speakername="David Cullinane" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE01300"><p>The Government built one home in Waterford in the past four years for all of those who needed houses.  That is to the Minister's shame.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.210" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE01400"><p>Make sure they are built.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.211" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1250" speakername="Robert Troy" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE01500"><p>I understand that Deputy Boyd Barrett is sharing time with Deputy Mick Barry, with five minutes each.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.212" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1238" speakername="Richard Boyd Barrett" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE01600"><p>Yes.  </p>  <p>  Many aspects of today's proceedings are profoundly depressing.  The farce being played out by the two large parties is depressing and frustrating for Deputies and, more importantly, people outside the House who are suffering.  No issue highlights this and the failure of the political establishment, including the outgoing Government and the main political parties in successive Governments, more than the disaster in housing and homelessness, which is worsening daily.</p>  <p>  I welcome the all-party agreement to establish a D&aacute;il sub-committee on housing and I hope that it meets soon.  It was a good proposal from Sinn F&eacute;in.  I welcome that everyone is on board and I hope that something comes of it.  However, I find it dispiriting that the Minister continues to justify-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.213" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1258" speakername="David Cullinane" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE01700"><p>Hear, hear.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.214" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1238" speakername="Richard Boyd Barrett" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE01800"><p>-----his actions and those of the Government over the past five years and plays with figures when the reality outside belies everything he says.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.215" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE01900"><p>The figures-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.216" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1238" speakername="Richard Boyd Barrett" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE02000"><p>He can discuss acquisitions, targets, &euro;35 million and so on but the facts speak for themselves.  The number of people, including families and children who have been forced into homelessness is increasing weekly.  The figure for families is now 1,800 and has been increasing monthly.  The situation has continuously worsened since the Minister entered into government.  There were 96,000 households on the housing list then.  Now, there are 130,000.  It is a disaster.  It is heartbreaking to see families with kids coming to one's clinic on Monday mornings in dire situations and not knowing what to do, where they will sleep and whether they will ever have permanent roofs over their heads again.  Yet the Minister continues to justify his actions and plans.</p>  <p>  The Minister mentioned the Social Housing Strategy 2020 again.  He keeps claiming that this plan will change everything and deliver.  Let me tell him how it will play out in my area of D&uacute;n Laoghaire, where 6,000 households are on the housing list compared with the approximately 3,000 who were on it when the Minister entered office.  The figure has almost doubled but the strategy's target is 681 houses by 2017.  That is 681 against a list-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.217" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE02100"><p>Some &euro;61 million.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.218" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1250" speakername="Robert Troy" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE02200"><p>Minister, please.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.219" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1238" speakername="Richard Boyd Barrett" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE02300"><p>-----of nearly 6,000 households.  That 2017 target will not even meet 10% of current housing demand.  Does the Minister know how many people will join the list before then?  There are approximately 100 new applicants per month.  With the Minister's wonderful plans, we will be in a worse situation in 2017 than we are now but even these miserable targets are not being met and figures are being massaged.  For example, D&uacute;n Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council tells us that it has delivered 95 RAS households.  In the small print, however, one discovers that 60 of those are renewals.  They are not new social housing accommodation.  They are just old RAS arrangements that have been renewed by landlords.</p>  <p>  This is at the heart of the problem.  Some 75,000 houses of the 110,000 that the Government is proposing to deliver will be done through the HAP and RAS with private landlords and yet there is no chance that those landlords will sign up to them, given that they are not signing up now.  The proposal will not deliver.  If the Government does not break with the failed approach of depending on private landlords to provide a solution, we will face a worse crisis in the years ahead.  It must break with failed policies.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.220" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1215" speakername="Eoin &Oacute; Broin" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE02400"><p>Hear, hear.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.221" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1281" speakername="Mick Barry" time="18:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400029#EE02500"><p>The issue is how to tackle the housing crisis in a serious way.  I will start with a couple of citations, the first of which is from the chief executive officer of NAMA, Mr. Brendan McDonagh, when he addressed an Oireachtas committee in December.  According to <i>The Irish Times</i>, he stated that a developer could expect to earn a profit of &euro;20,000 on a newly built home that sold for &euro;300,000 but that many developers were &quot;not satisfied with a profit of &euro;20,000 per house but wish to wait until it is &euro;50,000&quot; or more.  Just in case anyone believes this to be a rogue quotation that is not supported by anyone else who is involved in the thick of things, there is a second one.  It was made by Dr. Peter Stafford of Property Industry Ireland, PII, so I am not referencing a radical left-winger.  In a presentation last May, he stated: &quot;Developers margin is less than 40% to 50% over 3 to 5 years.  This will not deliver the 15% IRR that Private Equity is looking for.&quot;  He also stated: &quot;The rates using private equity and even some senior debt leave us with effective rates of 10% -15%.  Any blip along the way leaves us hugely exposed at those levels.&quot;  Similar points were made by the Cork property developer, Mr. Michael O'Flynn, on &quot;Claire Byrne Live&quot; on 14 March.</p><p>What does this mean in reality?  There is talk of a target of 25,000 houses to enter the market per year.</p><p>Half of them were one-off houses and were not part of housing schemes.  Therefore, developers delivered 6,000 to 7,000 houses in the State last year, which is barely one quarter of what is needed.<br/><br/>Let us face the reality of what is happening here.  There is a strike taking place but it is not industrial action by Luas workers, nurses or workers walking up and down on the picket line; there is a strike taking place involving big business and developers who are refusing to invest because they feel the profit margins they can achieve are not sufficiently high.  They want more and they want bigger profits along the way.  In reality, a generation is being held to ransom by the big developers as part of a campaign to increase their profit.  I note the comments made by the spokesperson for Fianna F&aacute;il in the discussion.  In reality, he is saying the solution is to give them pretty much everything they are asking for.  That is not the solution to the problem.<br/><br/>NAMA is adding to the problems.  It admits it has sold to developers enough land for 20,500 units, mostly in prime locations in the big cities, only for them to be sat on.  This is a scandal.  NAMA is briefed to give the best deal to the taxpayer, as we were told <i>ad nauseam </i>by the outgoing Government.  It has interpreted that brief as one of applying the values of the speculator.  Thus, at the Oireachtas committee I referred to, the NAMA chairman, Frank Daly, stressed the agency could not fund residential building on that basis as it would not have been confident of obtaining a commercial return.  It is playing the same game in this regard.<br/><br/>This D&aacute;il needs to recognise fully the interests it is up against.  In that context, the types of solutions on offer from the likes of the outgoing Government parties, such as a decrease in VAT for the construction industry, will not work.  It does not represent a solution.  A solution will involve cutting out the middleman developer whose speculative activity serves nearly to double the cost of a house.  Local authority-owned and NAMA-owned land and properties now need to be used and optimised for social and affordable housing.  The building industry and land zoned for development need to be taken into public ownership.  The Master of the High Court, Mr. Edmund Honohan, in effect called for a softer position on what I am advocating with the use of compulsory purchase orders for the public good.  We would say that compensation for the developers, vulture funds and the industry that have conspired to create a humanitarian crisis in our midst should not be the norm but given only on the basis of proven need.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.223" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1306" speakername="Joan Collins" time="18:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400030#FF00200"><p>It is now seven weeks since the general election and the people have faced the charade of the election a Taoiseach for the third time.  My understanding is that a vote to elect a Taoiseach is a vote to elect a Head of Government.  On the three occasions on which people were nominated, none was capable of forming a Government.  While this charade goes on in this House, the crises people are facing, particularly the housing crisis, continue to deepen.  One of the first steps I want to see taken by the housing committee is calling the housing crisis an emergency.  The previous Government never accepted it was an emergency, although it was raised here many times by people such as myself and Deputy Catherine Murphy.  Deputy Durkan referred to homelessness two to two and a half years ago.</p>  <p>  The crisis worsens daily.  We now know that in February, 3,930 adults and 1,881 children were homeless.  I had the privilege of standing with Erica Fleming and her daughter Emily on Easter Sunday when all the pomp and ceremony were evident on O&rsquo;Connell Street.  Erica called for a protest and action in solidarity with the homeless families on North Earl Street.  I stood proudly with the people that day and deliberately did not attend the ceremonies.  It was more important to recognise what was happening to Erica, her daughter and thousands of others who are facing hostels.  One hundred years since the 1916 Rising, we have not recognised children and their status.</p>  <p>  More than 130,000 people are on waiting lists for social housing that does not exist.  Another 100,000 plus are in mortgage arrears and in danger of losing their homes.  The solution put forward by the Government, the mortgage-to-rent scheme for people facing a mortgage threat, has been an absolute disaster because the banks will not deal with people who are facing losing their homes.  Thousands of people are living in private rented accommodation, waiting in dread for a rent increase they cannot afford.  We are still noting such cases in our office.  Every single day, some housing-related issue arises.  It may concern a local authority, maintenance, rent increases, the threat of eviction because a landlord is selling, not being able to obtain rental accommodation and accommodation that is too expensive.  I encounter families who are facing homelessness every single day.  This is now the biggest issue in my constituency office.</p>  <p>  There are solutions but actions are required.  Respond! Housing Association has made proposals.  The credit unions should be invited to meetings of the housing committee to give their opinions on the issues that committee's members will speak about.  The solutions could involve support for the &euro;5 billion social housing fund proposed by the Irish League of Credit Unions, a national register of all land assets in the country, a full Cabinet Minister responsible for housing and planning and a housing authority or agency responsible to the Minister responsible for housing.  The authority would incorporate some land and asset management of NAMA as that agency winds down.  Other aspects of a solution include restoring Part V so that all new developments must have at least 20% social housing in the mix; providing for the public acquisition of private lands by compulsory purchase by the State; the development by the State of the 800 sites identified by the Irish Council for Social Housing; the expansion of the vacant site levy of 10% to keep ahead of increases in the price of land; a three-year use-it-or-lose-it clause in planning permissions; and a national social housing stock retrofit plan involving the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland.  It is important that any social houses built include this.  There should be a move from the local property tax to a site evaluation tax to discourage the hoarding of land by developers.  This is what Respond! is seeking, although I do not necessarily support it.  </p>  <p>  There should be legislation to address failings in local Traveller accommodation plans and a referendum to enshrine the right to housing in the Constitution as part of a guarantee of economic, social and cultural rights.  The financial contributions list of the councils must also be considered.  Some 500 people have been put on the list of Dublin City Council.  That council will not take any more because it has no stock into which to put people.  It has no old folks homes and yet there are possibilities in St. Michael&rsquo;s Estate and Raleigh Square in my area and Canon Troy Court in Ballyfermot.  All those areas are waiting for housing for the elderly to be built.  What is happening is absolutely crazy.  There needs to be digging down at macro and micro levels to determine how we can move people from one set of houses to another where they want to do that.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.224" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1259" speakername="Clare Daly" time="18:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400030#FF00300"><p>I had the good fortune or misfortune of attending the Minister&rsquo;s housing forum in the Custom House a number of weeks ago in place of Deputy Maureen O&rsquo;Sullivan.  Having attended, it struck me quite quickly that the nub of this problem lies at the heart of the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government, where the ideology seems to be wedded to the failed ideas that led us to this crisis in the first place.  The first speaker from the Department who got up repeated the lie - it was repeated again in the Minister's speech - that the Department was responsible for delivering 13,000 extra social housing units last year.  This is simply not the case.  As Deputy Boyd Barrett said, many of these were just reclassified.  They were houses that already existed and the overwhelming bulk of them were based on the private market with the exact lack of security of tenure to which Deputy Catherine Connolly referred.  Unless we are truthful about the problem, we will not be able to grapple with a solution.  The departmental official went on to say the solution to the crisis was not to build social housing and he went on about stimulating the private sector.</p><p>The solution is to build social housing, although not, by any means, exclusively.  Unless we reverse the chronic lack-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.226" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400031#GG00200"><p>He was not an official.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.227" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1259" speakername="Clare Daly" time="18:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400031#GG00300"><p>Please, Minister.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.228" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400031#GG00400"><p>On a point of order, the individual in question was not an official but a representative of the Housing Agency.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.229" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1259" speakername="Clare Daly" time="18:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400031#GG00500"><p>Mr. Conor Skehan from the Housing Agency made an excellent contribution.  I was referring to the first speaker who was definitely a representative of the Department.</p><p>Unless we reverse the chronic lack of provision of social housing through direct build housing, we will not deliver sufficient housing to meet the country's needs.  Housing construction ceased under the Fianna F&aacute;il Governments that preceded the previous Government.  We must reverse that position.  We have tabled motions, although I accept that we cannot yet discuss them.  We must ensure the European Union's fiscal rules are relaxed to allow us to address the crisis by accessing emergency funds for social housing.</p><p>Deputy Mick Wallace will speak later about the constructive proposals made by Mr. Justice Honohan on the creative use of compulsory purchase orders with the investment fund and National Asset Management Agency properties.</p><p>I propose to speak briefly about modular housing.  Local authorities in Dublin are subjecting to emotional blackmail the most hard-pressed working class communities which are being led to believe they are responsible for the housing and homelessness crisis.  Fingal County Council is voting on the location of 40 so-called modular houses in Balbriggan.  These housing units are not modular but conventional and while there is nothing wrong with them <i>per se</i>, I note that the company developing similar units in Ballymun was responsible for building rapid build accommodation in a school in north County Dublin that subsequently caught fire.  This causes me some concern.  My main concern, however, is the information we received yesterday that the units in Balbriggan would cost &euro;243,000 each.  This figure excludes site purchase costs, planning application costs, development levies and the developer's profit.  Deputy Mick Wallace assures me that one could build a top-notch house under similar conditions for &euro;150,000 or almost &euro;100,000 less than the proposed cost of the Balbriggan units.</p><p>My colleague on Fingal County Council, Councillor Barry Martin, carried out a survey of properties available on the market in Balbriggan today.  He found that 40 completed properties dispersed around the town could be purchased for &euro;5.3 million, a much lower figure than the &euro;9 million Fingal County Council is proposing to spend on the new development.  The new development will be located in Pinewood estate where the hard-pressed, working class community has grappled for years with anti-social behaviour and, having overcome the problem, now lives in a mature and settled estate.  Many residents have children on the housing waiting list and fully realise the scale of the housing problem.  They wonder, however, why the so-called modular housing developments are being located in the most marginalised working class communities.  They also ask why agreements reached with their community have been trampled on as a result of these proposals which do not make economic sense.  Moreover, they will establish a transient community which will not be able to integrate with the existing community and the cost of doing so will be significantly higher than other options.  If the knee-jerk reaction to the national emergency continues, we will sow the seeds for major problems in the future.  The proposal is not acceptable to any of those affected by the current crisis. </p><p>I am pleased that we have today agreed to establish a committee on housing and I hope it will produce concrete proposals.  Deputy Catherine Connolly made the speech of the day and summed up the position very articulately, pointing out that we did not have a housing strategy and that developing one must be the utmost priority of all Deputies.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.230" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400031#GG00600"><p>Some &euro;81 million is available for these houses.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.231" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1222" speakername="R&oacute;is&iacute;n Shortall" time="18:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400031#GG00700"><p>We all accept that there is no bigger problem facing the country than the housing crisis.  The fact that 1,800 children are living in hotels and bed and breakfast accommodation is a major failure in administration, long-term planning and politics.  There is nothing sadder than the sight of parents in these hotels, some of which are located in my constituency, placing milk on window sills to try to keep it cool.  These parents have no choice but to feed their children fast food because they do not have access to cooking facilities.  They must wash up in wash-hand basins in hotel bathrooms.  Their young children struggle to do homework, while the self-esteem of their older children is being fundamentally damaged.  Many of these parents believe they are utter failures.</p><p>I very much welcome the establishment of an all-party committee on housing.  No one has a monopoly of wisdom when it comes to finding solutions to the housing problem.  What is needed is a collaborative approach.  It would be helpful, however, if the Minister took his head out of whatever it is he is reading and listened to the points Deputies are making.  He does not seem to have cottoned on that he is no longer in power and must change his <i>modus operandi</i>if he is to survive in Parliament.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.232" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400031#GG00800"><p>It would be helpful if the Deputy supported the provision of social housing in her backyard.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.233" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1250" speakername="Robert Troy" time="18:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400031#GG00900"><p>Please allow Deputy R&oacute;is&iacute;n Shortall to continue without interruption.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.234" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1222" speakername="R&oacute;is&iacute;n Shortall" time="18:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400031#GG01000"><p>Basic courtesy aside, it would be helpful if the Minister listened to Deputies on this side.</p>  <p>  One of the main requirements for the new committee will be to establish what exactly is holding back the supply of housing, both public and private.  There are many theories and various reports have been compiled on the issue, many of which have been inconclusive.  The various lobby groups also have ideas on the issue.  The single most important task is to establish precisely what is holding back the supply of housing and what steps need to be taken to unlock housing supply. </p>  <p>   We must also ensure a housing plan is drawn up for the immediate future because immediate solutions are required to solve the problem of hundreds of thousands of people being in housing difficulty.  However, medium and long-term plans will also be required for the delivery of housing.  </p>  <p>  The committee must also agree on a number of principles, the first of which concerns the need to maximise the use of existing accommodation.  A significant amount of accommodation is under-used.  We need to adopt an evidence based approach and obtain expert advice on what are the best solutions in tackling the problem.  I do not mean that we should seek advice from vested interests because too often they have dogged and controlled aspects of the debate on housing.  We must ignore vested interests, speak to the experts and learn from best practice in other countries.  </p>  <p>  Another critical principle that needs to be established concerns the need for a social mix.  While the Department has reasonably good guidelines on social mix, the Minister and the Department completely ignored them in recent years.  It is critical that all future housing supplies have an adequate level of social mix because this is the only way to create sustainable housing developments.  New estates must not be exclusively made up of either private or social housing.  The 10% Part V social housing rule is set at much too low a level. </p>  <p>  In my constituency we have the spectacle of the Department and the local authority effectively circumventing the planning process and national guidelines on social mix by providing funding for a voluntary housing association to buy up an entire new housing estate.  This approach will not work.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.235" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="18:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400031#GG01100"><p>The Deputy is opposing the provision of social housing in her constituency.  This is a case of the NIMBY syndrome - not in my backyard.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.236" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1222" speakername="R&oacute;is&iacute;n Shortall" time="18:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400031#GG01200"><p>It will not work because building 100% social housing in a development is not a sustainable solution.  It circumvents planning rules and will result in residents opposing all housing developments on the basis that a local authority could potentially buy out all the units in a development.  A good social mix is needed and the Department must adhere to the guidelines it has set down.</p>  <p>  The priority for the new committee should be to ensure we have new delivery structures, as well as new policy.  I hope a new Minister for housing and a Department of housing and planning will be in place by the time the committee reports because the establishment of such a Department is long overdue.  The Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government has a terrible record on housing, having failed to deliver both in the good times and bad.</p><p>I believe the committee should support the idea of a housing delivery agency, a new body with a more hands-on approach to the delivery of housing and one which can do so much more to improve housing supply.  Such an agency could co-ordinate between public and private housing providers.  It could identify possibilities for public land banking and could identify and tackle land hoarding and speculation.  It could help achieve scale and reduce costs for developers.  Such a body could help reduce planning risks and, therefore, financial risks.  It could also help develop master plans for sites so that everybody would know what and where something could be built and have a say in how that is decided.  One of the problems over the years has been that there has been no single agency responsible for matching supply with demand over the medium to long term.  That is the reason we had a glut of housing a number of years ago and now just a few short years later, there is a dire shortage of housing.  There has been no long-term planning when it comes to housing provision, whether public or private.</p> <p> Another important issue the committee should consider is the issue of freeing up vacant accommodation.  One only has to drive around Dublin, Cork or any city to see the vast amount of vacant accommodation that exists throughout those cities.  Over many shops and businesses, there are three or four storeys of accommodation lying idle.  Urgent action needs to be taken to bring that accommodation into immediate use.  This must be achieved through a carrot and stick approach.  There is a strong case for a fiscal instrument to be used to free up that accommodation and for making it worthwhile for the owners of that accommodation to refurbish it for housing use immediately.  I am not talking about something that could be done in three, four or five years.  This needs to be done now.</p> <p> Another issue is the number of houses that are lying vacant.  In Dublin currently, the vacancy rate in housing is approximately 8%, while the standard in any city is 4%.  If we could bring on stream that additional 4%, that would free up approximately 20,000 houses for use.  All of us who canvassed over recent months noticed the huge number of empty houses around currently.  A number of measures should be taken to deal with this, such as bringing forward the vacant site levy and reform of the fair deal scheme to make it easier to free up vacant homes.</p> <p> Land hoarding and speculation are major areas that need to be examined.  The Minister talks about this from time to time and suggests the Constitution is holding us back on that.  It is important to look at what the Constitution says in this regard.  Article 43.1 protects private property.  However, Article 43.2.10 states: "The State recognises, however, that the exercise of the rights mentioned in the foregoing provisions of this Article ought, in civil society, to be regulated by the principles of social justice."  If ever the principles of social justice needed to be invoked, they need to be invoked in regard to the crisis in social housing.  Article 43.2.20 states: "The State, accordingly, may as occasion requires delimit by law the exercise of the said rights with a view to reconciling their exercise with the exigencies of the common good."  There is a huge common good to be served by using the provisions that exist currently for compulsory purchase and to update the law as suggested by Edmund Honohan.  Dealing with this would also provide security to people who are currently living in homes that have been bought out by vulture funds, rather than allowing those vulture funds to come in and buy up properties at a fraction of their value and then flip them in a short period and make huge profits.  There is nothing to stop the State from compulsorily purchasing these properties from the vulture funds. </p> <p> It is vital also that we put a stop to repossessions as a result of the appointment of bank receivers.  We should not allow bank receivers to acquire and repossess properties given what the people have done to rescue the banks.  Banks should appoint rent receivers rather than receivers to repossess houses.  Any rented homes and properties owned by banks should be retained and people should not be turfed out of them to add to the existing housing problem.</p> <p> A lot can be done within the law currently and we do not necessarily need a constitutional amendment.  Mr. Honohan has set out a way forward to tackle this problem and it can be done.  What is needed is the political will to do it.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.238" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1294" speakername="Eamon Ryan" time="18:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400032#HH00200"><p>I appreciate the chance to speak on behalf of the Green Party and I commend Sinn F&eacute;in and others who promoted this debate.</p>  <p>  The huge housing crisis is probably one of the most urgent issues we need to address.  We need to get three factors right in doing this.  We need to build the right homes, in the right place and at the right price.  I want to look broadly at these three aspects.  On the issue of the right homes, yesterday I attended a conference organised by the Construction Industry Federation at which a speaker from the Society of Chartered Surveyors set out some of the typical costs and tried to address the issue we have between costs and market price.  However, all of the analysis in the presentation was based on the building of semi-detached housing.  It was based on the standard Irish semi-detached three-bedroomed house.  This depressed me as that is not necessarily the real problem.  We need to build housing closer to the centres of our towns and cities and the housing required is not necessarily the traditional family unit.  It seems like developers and our housing industry are stuck in an old way of thinking that it is about building endless rows of semi-detached housing, further and further out from our cities and continuing the urban sprawl we have seen over the past 50 years.  The whole conference seemed stuck in that mindset.</p>  <p>  I am also slightly despondent that in his period as Minister, Deputy Kelly seemed to change the narrative.  We were moving towards ever more efficient and low-cost housing as a result of energy efficiencies.  However, it seems the Minister has made regulatory changes providing him with powers to overrule local authorities who seek to set higher standards.  For example, my colleagues in D&uacute;n Laoghaire had succeeded in getting cross-party agreement to move towards higher passive house styles and standards but now they have been stymied by a direction from the central power to say they cannot do that.  I believe that is a mistake, even if it is based on good intentions, such as the fear about housing costs.  That does not take into account the real cost of housing in that the owners of the properties built will instead, over the 50 years or so those properties will exist, pay higher costs year in, year out because we are not willing to take the next step to cut out the use of fossil fuels for heating, although this is something we need to do because of climate change.  We are building the wrong type of houses.  If we are going to build the right houses, let us start by making them energy efficient to the extreme.  That is what we need to do.  The owners of these houses will benefit and have lower bills for their lifetime.</p>  <p>  The Minister may argue that he lowered the standard in terms of the size of apartments in an attempt to lower costs for new home owners.  However, I would argue that we should be returning closer to city and town centres and bringing families back to these centres where we have schools and public transport and all the other services.  This would be a cheaper way to develop housing rather than the alternative model of continuing the spread outwards where the State must pick up the cost of providing public transport services, health and educational services.  We need to bring people back to our town and city centres and if we are doing that, we need to provide good quality accommodation in which people can raise children.</p><p>We will not do that if we go back to the old developer-led model, which I fear the Minister has done, which is about building box apartments and not really being concerned about the nature or quality of the homes which will be there for the next 50, 60 or 100 years.  We need to build the right houses.  We should start by building quality, efficient low-cost houses - the right houses for the real need we have, which is not necessarily semi-detached houses out in new greenfield sites on which we have fixated in the past 40 or 50 years.</p> <p> As well as being in the right place we also need to get right a national spatial plan which will identify where demand is going to be and what numbers are needed in areas based on demographics and an understanding of where jobs are going to come.  That has to be centre stage in any housing strategy or plan so that we can build houses close to people's place of work.  I am concerned about presentations from the Department showing that, in the Dublin area, we have a number of houses ready to go on serviced land.  I cannot remember exactly what the number was - I think it was some 45,000 houses - but the vast majority of the sites were on the far side of the M50.  If the Department does not already know this it needs to start talking to the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport because in Dublin city the M50 will gridlock on the existing growth in traffic from the existing housing stock.  If we put yet more housing on the far side of the M50 and expect people to get into the city to work it will not work.  We need integration of transport, planning and housing such as we have never had in this State.  I do not see it today and nor do I see it at the centre of the new spatial plan but we have to get it right if we are to build houses in the right place.</p> <p> I do not want to be personal but the Minister and the former Deputy, Phil Hogan, made decisions not to proceed with a directly elected mayor of Dublin who would be able to go over the fundamental problem which has crippled this city in the past 30 or 40 years, namely, the different agencies fighting each other and the different counties looking for development.  That was a mistake.</p> <p> My third and last point is that we need to build at the right price, as well as the right houses in the right place.  The conference yesterday was interesting and Ronan Lyons, the economist from Trinity College Dublin, made a couple of important points.  It is vital that we introduce the site value tax that we set up, in place and ready to go but which the previous Government decided not to proceed with.  It is vital for a number of reasons.  One is that one would get more concentrated, better development closer to the centre.  Another is that we would find out who actually owns the land in this country.  One of the difficulties in the negotiations to set up a site value taxation was the Department of Finance saying it could not do it because we did not know who owned what land and it would require us to develop a proper, full tally of who owns our land.  If we are to tackle the housing crisis and not go back to the corrupt, developer-led system we had in the past it would be very healthy to start by understanding who owns every parcel of land and to be transparent and open about transactions involving land.  It is important to put a site value tax on, as well as the vacant site tax about which the Minister spoke.</p> <p> When the Minister had legal opinion saying he could not go ahead with the vacant site tax in 2016 but had to wait to 2019, and could not set it at 6% but 3%, did he not think that, on this occasion, it might have been worth taking the legal challenge and going to the courts if necessary?  Let the Supreme Court adjudicate on it.  The Supreme Court is as political as any other institution.  It would, as Deputy Shortall said, read the Constitution and look at the competing questions so we should have put it to the test of the Supreme Court instead of accepting the legal argument.  It is not too late for an incoming government to do that if it really wanted to tackle the issue.</p> <p> The Central Bank did the right thing to put in regulations to restrict the level of lending for houses.  I know it is difficult for young people but it would have been far worse to allow price rises to come back again which would mean that, while people might get a mortgage, they would pay a lot more.  Ronan Lyons said there may be a case to look at loan-to-value ratios rather than loan-to-income and I think he may be right because that might encourage people to build and buy more efficient houses in the right areas.</p> <p> I listened with dismay to some of the figures the quantity surveyor was giving out and questioned some of them, and the Construction Industry Federation is not actually stepping up to the plate to look at a different building model which will be really efficient in bringing down costs.  I echo what other people have said and believe that to tackle this housing crisis we need to do this.  Fundamentally, it is time for the State to build in order to provide housing.  It will be 15% cheaper because the assumed profit the quantity surveyor put into the calculation would not exist if the State was doing it.  We should do it with the rent-cost model set out by the National Economic and Social Council because this would iron out a lot of the inefficiencies and inequities in the current social housing model.  We would also get financing for it and it would lead to more mixed housing, a subject about which Deputy Shortall spoke, where those who are not able to afford the assumed market rent would be subsidised directly by the housing association or local authority which builds it.</p> <p> In every one of his speeches here the Minister has waved a piece of paper saying there is &euro;40 million for Waterford or &euro;50 million for somewhere else but it is time to change the underlying model rather than just throwing money at the problem.  We should use this as a chance to get a better model of social housing so that we can borrow upon it, as countries such as Austria do, outside the rules of the fiscal compact.  That is the scale of ambition and change we should to be looking to have rather than just quoting from a paper.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.240" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1250" speakername="Robert Troy" time="18:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400033#JJ00200"><p>I understand Deputy Thomas Pringle is sharing time Deputy Ruth Coppinger.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.241" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1366" speakername="Thomas Pringle" time="18:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400033#JJ00300"><p>I welcome the proposal today to establish a housing and homelessness committee in the Oireachtas and the fact that it will start its work very quickly.  However, I wonder about its value and what the outcome will be.  While we are in this caretaker situation it seems to me the D&aacute;il has abdicated its responsibility or role to direct the caretaker Government to actually do things.  We can establish a committee and by 17 June there might still be a caretaker Government and we will not be able to do anything to direct the Government to take action on foot of the committee's report.  The salient rulings of the Chair, often quoted in this House, state that in a caretaker Government the D&aacute;il cannot take any action actually to direct the Government to do anything.  At the same time, while we are in this situation and the D&aacute;il has removed itself from the possibility of doing stuff, the Government continues to govern.  Since the general election the Government has signed into law 55 statutory instruments and taken all sorts of different actions right across the role of the State.  The caretaker Government is continuing to govern but the Legislature has not taken any role for itself in terms of making things happen.  While the work of the committee will be very positive and very interesting and will probably come forward with very positive proposals, we are again just putting things on the long finger.</p>  <p>  Everybody would agree that there are actions that can be taken straight away.  We could take action to control rents and increase rent supplement and housing assistance payments.  The Government refused to do that and would not intervene in the sacred market, or distort that market, but we should take immediate actions to end the continuing creation of homelessness in our society while we look at long-term solutions to the problem.  We should also take action to end the requirement for vacant possession when a house goes on the market.  This Government has signed 55 statutory instruments - surely it could bring forward a proposal to remove the section of the Residential Tenancies Act that requires vacant possession.  It would be received unanimously in this House and I do not believe anybody would speak against it.  Those are actions that could actually happen but that is what is lacking in this housing crisis.  At best, the previous Government and the Government before which created this crisis have, by their inaction, made it worse.  At worst they have done so by a deliberate policy.  That is the crux of the housing and homelessness problem.</p><p><i>7 o&amp;rsquo;clock</i></p> <p>We could also take measures such as introducing a development site tax and taxing development sites that are not being developed.  We could also get building going again.  The Minister quoted figures for what has been allocated to county councils and said they are not spending all that money but the fact is that during the past five or six years the capacity of the local authorities to deliver housing in the timeframe has been removed.  Local authorities have not been able to purchase land banks during the past five or six years.  They have not been able to go through with the planning and design process and so on.  The lead-in for getting local authority building going is too long.  It is easy for the Government to say we will give Donegal County Council or another county council &euro;100 million this year because it knows full well that it has not the capacity to be able to spend that, so that money comes straight back to the Exchequer.  The Government can then throw its hands up and say, "we gave you the money but you sent it back to us".  That level of inaction has existed for the entire period.</p> <p> Six months ago, along with Deputy Joan Collins, I raised in the D&aacute;il the Irish League of Credit Unions proposals to fund housing development in the State but six months later we find the Department has not even engaged with it on that.  If it were somebody like Donald Trump flying into Shannon, a Minister would meet them on the steps of the plane, clap them on the back and say, fair play to you, thanks very much.  If they were a hedge fund coming here from America or somewhere in Europe the Government would be there with the red carpet rolled out for them, but because it is Irish citizens' money on deposit in banks here, doing nothing on behalf of Irish citizens, the Government refuses to engage with them, develop that process and allow something positive to happen within the housing sector.  That is wrong and, unfortunately, this committee and this D&aacute;il will allow that inaction to continue for the foreseeable future.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.243" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1254" speakername="Ruth Coppinger" time="19:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400034#KK00200"><p>I thank Deputy Pringle for sharing time.  I got a copy of the housing actions report the acting Minister urged us all to read in his contribution.  I ran to the office to print it and browse through it.  Ironically, it is entitled Laying the Foundations - Housing Action Report.  The last thing done by this Government was laying the foundations and actually building social and affordable housing because all the emphasis has been on acquiring, leasing, the rental accommodation scheme, RAS, the housing assistance payment, HAP, etc.  That has been well debated in this Chamber.  On the first page the Minister outlines five key actions he took, the first of which is action to stimulate the private sector to deliver more housing, not to build and give councils or housing agencies money to do it but to stimulate private developers.  As my colleague, Deputy Barry, who spoke earlier said, the private developers have no interest in providing social or affordable housing and they have gone on strike because the profit is not big enough.  That will be confirmed by any commentator on the construction scene.</p>  <p>  The other thing the Minister urged us to do when he spoke on the previous occasion was to have a grown up conversation about the Constitution.  Why did it take the Minister five years to tell us that the Constitution was an impediment-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.244" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="19:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400034#KK00300"><p>It has been there for 20 months.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.245" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1254" speakername="Ruth Coppinger" time="19:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400034#KK00400"><p>The Minister's party has been in government for five years.  The Minister is in his position for two years and it is only after the election that we hear that the Constitution was to blame all along.  The Minister should tell us the clauses involved.  He could have had a referendum on these key issues instead of the one on the presidential age, which nobody in the country cared about.  I do not believe that is the case.  There is a lot the Minister could do.</p>  <p>  The Minister said there has been a 10% increase in families exiting homelessness.  That is a bit of a laugh because in January there was a 148% increase in homelessness, the highest ever in the history of the State.  It is three times more than anything that ever happened previously.  Last month there was a 36% increase in Dublin, although it is not just Dublin.  Galway and Cork are starting to feel this pressure as well but the Minister told us earlier that relationship breakdown is responsible for homelessness and is a key factor.  That is an absolute joke.  I will tell the Minister what is responsible for homelessness.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.246" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1349" speakername="Alan Kelly" time="19:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400034#KK00500"><p>I am not saying that.  That is independently verified.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.247" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1300" speakername="Alan Farrell" time="19:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400034#KK00600"><p>One speaker at a time.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.248" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1254" speakername="Ruth Coppinger" time="19:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400034#KK00700"><p>It is the case that 65% of homeless families are lone parents; 35% are not.  They are not homeless because their relationships have broken down.  It is because they are the poorest in society and the Minister, and his Government, cut rent supplement and did nothing about rents.  The Minister has a rent freeze in one of the titles in this document, which he should edit because there have been no rent freezes.  What he introduced was a 48-month lease and landlords jacked up the rents in anticipation of that happening.  Everybody knows that.  We have all had those people coming to us about that.  The first thing the Minister should have done today was apologise to the people for inflicting this misery and then agreed a declaration of emergency.</p><p>I want to mention the constituency I represent because we are at the epicentre of the homeless tsunami Peter McVerry warned about.  There are 259 families homeless in Fingal, according to the council meeting last Monday.  The vast majority of those hail from Dublin West.  According to <i>The Irish Times</i>, 40% of all Dublin families who are homeless come from the constituency the Minister's leader represented for five years, as did the Minister for Health, Deputy Varadkar.</p><p>In a meeting I had on Monday with the Fingal housing director she outlined that 14 houses would be built in Cappagh, which is not in Dublin West.  I see in the Minister's document that 22 houses will be built in Dublin West despite it having the youngest population in western Europe and the highest number of homeless people in the country bar none.  What sort of a solution is that to put in front of people?  The only way we will resolve the housing crisis is to give councils money to build houses, as they did when I was growing up and in the past.</p><p>With regard to Tyrrelstown, and I thank the Minister for meeting the residents and for inviting his leader to the meeting and not other TDs for the area, it is critical that we agree that the committee the Minister is setting up examines the issue of acquiring homes that are in the hands of vulture funds.  We cannot add to the homeless crisis.  We need to acquire those homes, allow people to stay in them and to buy them, which many of them are more than capable of doing, or to rent them at an affordable rate.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.249" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1329" speakername="Fergus O'Dowd" time="19:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400034#KK00800"><p>This is an important debate and some very good ideas have emanated from all sides of the House.  It is important that the Minister takes note of the points all of us have made.  We might consider changing the way we report after such debates in that the Department might give its wisdom on the salient points Members raise in terms of what can and cannot be done, and how we can move the case forward.</p>  <p>  I am not a Member of this House as long as my colleague, Deputy Bernard Durkan, who is present, but for many years housing applicants were treated with great respect by local authorities.  They spoke to applicants in rooms dedicated for that purpose and the full case history of the people involved was very much in the minds of the local authority officials.  In those days people would get a house after one, two or three years maximum on the waiting list.  Now applicants must wait eight or nine years in some cases, which is entirely unacceptable.  In some cases local authority officials are losing the listening skills they once had.  Sometimes they speak to housing applicants in cold corridors or at hatches where other people can hear the conversation, which begins with the applicants being asked how long they have been on the housing list and then being told they must be on it eight years and that there is nothing they can do for them.  That must end.  There must be more empathetic support from local authorities as the primary housing authority.  We must restore the balance that existed previously and the respect applicants are entitled to, notwithstanding the existing housing problems.</p>  <p>  I want to raise other important issues which we must deal with in a better way.</p><p>A question arises on the rent a room scheme, which I think is very good.  It applies to a very narrow category of person, who must be living alone.  If such a person has a spare room or rooms in his or her home, they can be rented out to families or other people.  Those who do so can get a tax-free income of up to &euro;12,000 per annum.  The person paying the rent can get tax relief on it.  It is all transparent and dealt with by the Revenue Commissioners.  We should relax the rules regarding people living on their own and those in receipt of certain means-tested benefits whereby the income should not be assessed against tax.  Those in receipt of benefits, which are not means tested, may very well be taxed on the income.  We speak about empty nesters and families leaving areas which have practically no young people any more as a generation moves on.  Let us look again at this scheme.  We can make it much more attractive for everybody.</p> <p> A question which arises in regard to this specific issue is one which may or may not find favour with certain people.  It is the issue of to whom one can pay rent allowance or a housing assistance payment.  One category of person is excluded in that rent allowance or a housing assistance payment cannot be given to a son or daughter living in the family home.  This means families leave home and often live under considerable pressure in very poor accommodation, which is entirely unacceptable.  This option could be considered.  I know many issues are attached to it but we could, as an exceptional measure perhaps for a maximum of two years until the housing supply improves, make it possible for somebody who has been on the housing list for a certain period of time, who is living in sub-standard accommodation and who is in receipt of rent allowance to pay it in his or her own home.  There is an issue which must be addressed.</p> <p> I have spoken to some people involved in local authorities about this issue.  They are in favour of seriously examining it.  It would be a significant change.  One can accept rent allowance from one's nephew or niece but not a direct family member such as one's son or daughter.  Given the exceptional circumstances we are in and given the circumstances of many families, it is certainly worth looking at.  We could examine how, in some cases, the income received would not be included for tax purposes.</p> <p> I am fed up with people telling me those with houses for rent will not accept the housing assistance payment or rent allowance.  This has been discussed previously and perhaps the Minister could respond on whether this is lawful.  Should it not be illegal for anybody who has a property to rent to discriminate against a potential tenant solely because the money would be paid through a housing assistance payment or rent allowance?  There may be issues in this regard but if something is offered for rent, one is not be able to discriminate on the grounds of religion or colour so why should one be able to discriminate on the grounds of how the payment is made?</p> <p> I sometimes go to west Kerry, which has a huge number of homes that are empty for nine months of the year, as is the case in Donegal and other counties.  They are full for three months of the year but not for the other nine.  Is there a case to be made for assisting, through tax incentives, families who wish to move to such areas?  I know it is not easy and it may not be practical in many cases but could the owners of these homes receive a tax-free income as an exceptional measure for two years?  If the homes need to be upgraded with regard to energy to make them fit to be lived in for 12 months, let us do so.  These houses are there already and they are empty.  The lights are never on from September to April.</p> <p> We need to examine affordable housing and to do much more in this regard.  Many couples and people would love to build their own homes but they cannot get a loan because they do not have a 10% deposit, they cannot get a site and nobody is assisting them to build it.  There are several hundred acres at Gormanston army camp.  We could take 60 acres for affordable and social housing.  The strategic investment fund or whatever fund we could get, could be used to develop the site with regard to water, electricity, sewage and all of the infrastructure.   It could be provided by the local authority or the State through a special purpose vehicle.  Particular types of houses could be designed so we do not have a one house fits all and we have different types of housing for different family units.  Let us get up off our butts and do this because we are sitting back and looking at all of these resources and not doing enough.  I suggest the Department focuses on such a site in State ownership.  It is beside a motorway and a railway.  It already has much infrastructure.  We should put in place the rest of the infrastructure and offer it to builders if needs be.  It could be offered free to a builder to fix the price of the house.  A potential design could also be offered and all of the planning costs could be covered.  Why do we not do this?  What is wrong with this?  Does it not make a lot of bloody sense?  We need to think in new ways about old problems.</p> <p> We could bring together ten or 12 people who qualify for affordable housing for a group scheme.  Let us use our initiative and not lose it.  Years ago, local authorities were far more focused on all of these issues and we need to ensure they have the skills and knowledge.  They have knowledge through engineers and planners.  They have many good things going for them.  Let us put added value into local authorities so they can provide the change needed.</p> <p> In County Louth and throughout the country there are dozens of empty houses in rural areas.  Many of them are single houses which have been abandoned with nobody in them.  Some of them are half finished but all of them are empty.  Why do the local authorities not do a survey of all of these houses and approach the owners to see whether they can be rented, leased or bought?  Let us have a new more aggressive approach to sorting out the problem.  We are sitting back too much on these issues.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.251" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1218" speakername="Shane Cassells" time="19:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400035#LL00200"><p>It is an honour to address the Chamber for the first time as a newly elected Deputy for Meath West.  I thank the people of the constituency for giving me the chance to represent them in the House.  Like many constituencies throughout the country, one of the biggest issues facing the people in it is that of housing.  With more than 4,500 people on the housing waiting list in County Meath and a dearth of property available for rent or sale in the private housing market, we have a perfect storm.  Just last week, a family in Navan occupied a boarded-up home.  They broke down the hoarding and went in to occupy the home out of sheer desperation.  This is the point at which the crisis is in our county.  People are resorting to such action.</p>  <p>  I am very aware of how difficult the situation is and I listened carefully to the Minister when he came to the House on 22 March and made a statement.  That evening he asked that Deputies would come in with solutions and not just outline their problems.  This was a very fair request by the Minister with regard to broadening the discussion and engaging proactively with the Department.  I was a member of a local authority for 17 years and all I ask is that the officials in the Department meet us half way to tackle the issue.</p><p>Most of the speeches I have listened to this evening have been very broad brushstroke speeches.  In the week after the general election I and the five other Deputies for County Meath met at a cross-party meeting with the housing SPC chairperson and the director of services for housing and his senior executive officers to discuss the challenge facing them on the ground.  The biggest problems on the ground for the local authority system are mostly procedural issues.  One of the main stumbling blocks to the provision of social housing in my county is the time lag between the allocation of funding and the stage when a project is shovel-ready.  I and many other Deputies and councillors in County Meath are frustrated and feel thwarted by the system and the way it is currently structured.  Local authorities need to see that process move more quickly to see projects come on stream.</p> <p> The Minister referred to landbanks in his speech earlier.  In our case, in County Meath, there is quite a significant landbank in the ownership of the local authority.  In my town of Navan we have 28 acres of prime land bought for the provision of social homes.  In this major urban centre, where thousands are on the housing waiting list, this land was purchased in 2007 at a cost of &euro;717,000 per acre, and there is not so much as a sod turned in that field, let alone a house built in it.  The loan repayments back to the Housing Finance Agency on that sum of &euro;20 million is sucking &euro;1.5 million out of the scarce resources of the council annually.  This time last year a senior official from the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government came to a meeting of the county council.  I questioned him on that piece of land and he stated that the capital acquisition cost and the development cost associated with it would be covered, but nothing has happened to move this project any nearer to fruition.  How can we cut through the barrage of red tape which has hog-tied this process and move on this project and so many others like it around the country?  In the two years since we have started to have to repay the Housing Finance Agency, &euro;3 million has gone off the current account of Meath County Council, which we could be using for social amenities, roads and so forth.  That has been going on for nine years.  We need to start with those simple issues, as I have outlined.  All I am asking the Minister is that officials from his Department be deployed to work with officials in local authorities to cut through whatever issues are preventing this land in Farganstown, Navan, from providing much-needed social housing units.</p> <p> Prior to joining this House, I worked as a journalist.  I interviewed senior figures in the Housing Agency who told me that, as a policy, they did not agree with large council housing estates any more because it would lead to the "ghettoisation" of areas.  I thought that was a terrible phrase.  I disagree with it totally, and my fear is that that ideology permeates the whole thinking process in the Department in trying to address this issue.  Some of the finest homes in this country are in council estates, and I hope that the incoming Government will seek to empower local authorities to get back to that basic principle, help those who need urgent assistance and provide homes.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.253" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1300" speakername="Alan Farrell" time="19:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400036#MM00200"><p>I congratulate Deputy Cassells on his maiden contribution to D&aacute;il &Eacute;ireann.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.254" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1321" speakername="John Brassil" time="19:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400036#MM00300"><p>As it is my first opportunity to address this House, I thank the people of Kerry for giving me the honour of representing them in the Thirty-second D&aacute;il and I hope I do them justice.  I equally thank Deputy Cassells for giving me the opportunity to share his time.</p>  <p>  The housing crisis is slightly different in different parts of the country, so I will focus on where I am, in Kerry, a rural county.  Several speakers have mentioned the enormous amount of empty houses in County Kerry and many other rural counties.  In the last census in Kerry, excluding holiday homes, there were 10,000 empty houses.  That would go a long way to solving the problem.  The Minister is looking for constructive proposals.  We should look at a town and village renewal scheme because in many of our towns and villages every second or third house is empty.  The original occupants have moved on and the sons and daughters are living elsewhere, and those houses are lying empty and with some investment could be made habitable very quickly.  I ask the Minister to consider a grant scheme whereby the owners would be incentivised to do up empty properties.  The condition of the grant would be that those houses would then be made available to the local authority on a long-term lease scheme, thereby ensuring that any investment made by the owner would come back in the form of rent and ensuring a quick turnaround and short-term gain in tackling the housing crisis.  The housing list would benefit, the village or town would benefit from having renewed vibrancy and the economy would benefit from having construction, and that would be immediate.</p>  <p>  I ask the Minister to consider a similar scheme for unused local authority houses, where again the original occupants have moved on and the houses are lying there with no incentive for anybody to do anything with them.  We need to incentivise these situations.  The houses are there and we can do something about it.  I also think that a separate approach is needed for homelessness and housing.  Homelessness is a new crisis that has come about in the last number of years.  In situations where families are on the housing list for ten to 12 years and somebody else suddenly becomes homeless, who gets priority?  Do the local authorities have direction on how to go and where to go with this issue?  We need to give them direction.</p>  <p>  Regarding NAMA, can we acquire houses back from the vulture funds?  It was mentioned recently on a programme hosted by Claire Byrne.  Is this factual and is it possible?  If it is, we should consider it.  NAMA was set up to solve a problem, not to create another one, so joined-up thinking is needed between the Department, NAMA, the local authorities, the lending institutions and the Construction Industry Federation, and a combination of measures is needed.  One thing is certain: in many areas we have an adequate number of houses; we need to adopt measures to get people living in them.</p>  <p>  My experience, having been a member of a local authority for 16 years, is that when money is made available to local authorities there is a problem spending and getting authorisation.  If one wants to so much as buy a door, the amount of red tape that has to be gone through is unacceptable.  I ask the Minister to get the city and county managers together with his Department officials and unbind this red tape.  It is a problem and it needs to be sorted.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.255" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1300" speakername="Alan Farrell" time="19:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400036#MM00400"><p>I congratulate Deputy Brassil on his maiden contribution to D&aacute;il &Eacute;ireann.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.256" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1340" speakername="Carol Nolan" time="19:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400036#MM00500"><p>Go raibh m&iacute;le maith agat, a Cheann Comhairle, as ucht an deis labhairt faoin ng&eacute;arch&eacute;im tith&iacute;ochta at&aacute; ar fud na t&iacute;re.</p>  <p>  The housing and homelessness crisis currently gripping Irish society and destroying countless lives has its roots in the political failings of the previous Fianna F&aacute;il Administration, which irreparably damaged the Irish economy and society.  This crisis is also deeply rooted in the failed policies of the Fine Gael and Labour Government, which deepened and worsened the housing crisis to unimaginable levels.  The housing crisis has caused an awful lot of misery and suffering for tens of thousands of families across this island.</p>  <p>  The previous Government built only a fraction of the social housing needed and refused to tackle rising rents or rent uncertainty adequately.  As a result, there is a chronic lack of social and affordable housing and a crisis in the rental market, which is particularly affecting our young people.  The situation across the State is so dire that the estimates of the number of people on the housing waiting lists range from the conservative figure of 90,000 to well over 130,000.  In Offaly and north Tipperary, the constituency I represent, there are well over 2,500 people currently on the housing list.  This has increased year on year and shows no sign of abating, and I must add that it will be forever to the shame of the last Seanad and D&aacute;il that they removed the legal protection preventing so many family homes from being taken by the banks.  In Birr, a small rural town in my county of Offaly, five families are after being issued with eviction notices.  These families are in great distress, and I am calling on this House to do everything possible to protect them.  They should never have been put in this situation, and unfortunately there are many more families like the five in Birr.</p><p>It is unacceptable and something needs to be done.  These children are being affected by what is happening across this country and it will have devastating effects in terms of mental health and educational achievement, for example.</p> <p> It is apparent to all that the housing and homelessness crisis has created a social crisis.  Only last month, Console warned that the strain of repossessions and the threat of possessions is driving a growing number of people into a suicidal crisis.  There has never been as desperate a need for a new vision around housing in Ireland.  It is essential that the State builds sufficient housing and tackles spiralling rent costs.</p> <p> The severe increase in rent prices is also a serious concern.  Not only is it forcing people out of the rental market but it is also causing significant financial strain for those who choose to remain in the rental market and who must spend 40% to 50% of their wages on rent alone.  In Offaly rent prices increased by 9% in 2015.  This is completely unsustainable and unacceptable.</p> <p> Whoever is in the next Government needs to undertake an immediate programme of responsibly planned social housing builds, implementation of rent controls, a serious review of bank repossessions and a removal of vulture funds from the property market.</p> <p> It is my belief, and the belief of Sinn F&eacute;in, that in a stable prosperous society everyone should be in functional, comfortable and affordable housing.  It is high time we had a new vision on housing in this State.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.258" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1300" speakername="Alan Farrell" time="19:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400037#NN00200"><p>I thank Deputy Nolan and congratulate her on her maiden contribution to D&aacute;il &Eacute;ireann.  Deputy Martin Kenny is next.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.259" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1345" speakername="Martin Kenny" time="19:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400037#NN00300"><p>Housing is an issue across every part of the State.  We will go through the crisis in Dublin as well as the crises in every other city and in urban areas.  I represent a rural constituency and yet these same problems exist in it.  One of the main reasons for this is the recovery for landlords - unfortunately, one of the biggest recoveries we have experienced in this State.  The only people who seem to be making money at present are the landlords and rents are going up and up.  Even in rural Ireland, we see that happening.  It is a serious problem that needs to be tackled.</p>  <p>  I will focus on one particular part of it, the banking sector and how that sector has affected the housing market.  We had a crisis in banking for many years that many would say was the cause of our economic crisis but that crisis has had a knock-on effect and has also caused the housing crisis.</p>  <p>  Mortgage arrears and the number of families in mortgage arrears is a serious problem across the country.  I meet people every day of the week who are in serious bother trying to pay their mortgages and trying to avoid the knock on the door from the sheriff.  This is a problem that needs to be tackled.  The number of repossessions across the State continues to grow.  Unfortunately, if we continue in this manner - the courts are holding it off at present - and if, in the near future, we are in a situation where more and more houses are repossessed, those people will end up homeless, and that is a serious problem.</p>  <p>  Vulture funds are an issue that have been mentioned by several contributors.  The way vulture funds are coming in and threatening to take houses from people is a problem that must be dealt with.  I call on the Government to immediately intervene.  I am absolutely confident that it can be done because it was done in other countries.  The Government should simply take the money and, through State intervention, buy the properties back from the vulture funds at the price they paid for them.  Many of these properties, with &euro;300,000 mortgages, are being bought at 10%.  Therefore, they are buying for &euro;30,000 a property worth &euro;300,000.  We can rent that property back to the borrower and the State could set up a scheme where those borrowers could buy it back over time.  That is the kind of intervention that we need to see happening as quickly as possible.</p>  <p>  Another issue, which is also related to the banks and what they are doing in this State, is that the variable interest rate for mortgages in Ireland is almost twice what it is in other European countries and yet those same banks are getting the funding from the ECB at the exact same rate as the Irish banks are getting it.  The Government needs to tackle that problem.  There is no way the ordinary people of Ireland, who are going out to work hard every day and who are trying to pay their mortgage and pay their way, should be used as scapegoats to bail out these banks with exorbitant rates of interest.</p>  <p>  Many Members have spoken about the need to build more houses.  The fact is many families cannot afford to take out a mortgage because the first requirement under the new rules is this large deposit.  Most young people who I meet who want to build or buy a house simply cannot afford the large deposit because they are in rented accommodation for which they are paying probably twice what they should given the number of houses we have heard about that are empty in many parts of the country.  There must be clear intervention.  That is what this committee needs to do.  This committee needs to set out a clear intervention that the State can take to protect the people's rights rather than the rights of the banks.  The problem we have in this country is the banks are being protected all the time and the people are paying the price.  That needs to end.  It is one of the central causes of the housing crisis in this country.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.260" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1266" speakername="Kathleen Funchion" time="19:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400037#NN00400"><p>Since the last time the D&aacute;il discussed the housing situation two to three weeks ago, I have dealt with ten families presenting as homeless or at risk of homelessness in my constituency of Carlow-Kilkenny.  I am sure that is not unique to me.  Deputies from all parties and none have been dealing with this situation as well.</p>  <p>  What people in this situation are looking for are solutions and answers.  It is not acceptable that in 2016, it has become almost normal for families to call a hotel or a bed and breakfast facility home.  What is often forgotten in these discussions are the families or the individuals who are living in overcrowded situations, those who are relying on family members or friends to accommodate them in their sitting room or spare room.  For people living like this, there is obviously a huge amount of worry and stress and we sometimes forget the extremely negative impact this is having on the mental health of people, in particular, the children.  Our children deserve better than this.  There are 1,881 children recorded as being homeless at present.</p>  <p>  On the last occasion I spoke on this issue, I said that we need two approaches to it.  We need a long-term solution which is obviously to start building social housing.  However, in the interim, we need short-term solutions for the families who are either living in those very overcrowded situations or living in hotels and bed and breakfast facilities.  We need to look at introducing rent certainty and at overhauling all State supports in the private rental market as an immediate measure to help people but we also need to address the issue of evictions and house repossessions.  The banks must be compelled to negotiate with people.  I am sure many Members have come across a repossession case where a house is left empty for months, causing antisocial behaviour in the area because it is boarded up and vacant.  The family involved then presents as homeless to the local authority, putting more pressure on the housing lists and the homeless services while the house lies idle.  It makes no sense.  In many such situations, people are willing to negotiate with the bank and are willing to pay something towards the mortgage but the banks are simply unwilling to negotiate with them.  We need to look at this sector as well because there is no sense in this.  We have a housing crisis and in many situations, the banks are taking back homes that could be used for those who looking for homes.  We need to strengthen legislation to protect the family home.</p>  <p>  I welcome the creation of this cross-party committee because we need to be focused on solutions and answers.  That is what the people elected us to do and that is what people want to see.  There is much despair in regard to the housing problem and I hope this cross-party committee will be able to come up with short-term and long-term solutions to the housing crisis.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.261" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1300" speakername="Alan Farrell" time="19:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400037#NN00500"><p>The next speakers, on behalf of the Government, are Deputies Madigan and Fitzpatrick.  They have five minutes each.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.262" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1243" speakername="Josepha Madigan" time="19:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400037#NN00600"><p>Go raibh maith agat, a Cheann Comhairle, as an deis labhairt sa d&iacute;osp&oacute;ireacht seo agus as an phribhl&eacute;id a thabhairt dom aitheasc a thabhairt do Dh&aacute;il &Eacute;ireann den ch&eacute;ad uair.</p>  <p>  I was elected by the people of Dublin Rathdown to advocate on their behalf and to represent them in the D&aacute;il with energy and commitment and to represent the people of Ireland, both urban and rural, with integrity.  First, I would like to pay tribute to all my constituents who I will now represent to the best of my ability.  I recognise the contributions of former constituency colleagues who have not returned to D&aacute;il &Eacute;ireann - Ms Olivia Mitchell, for her excellent long-standing service, former Ministers, Mr. Alan Shatter and Mr. Alex White, and Mr. Peter Mathews - and I wish them well in the future.</p>  <p>  I have played my part over the past number of weeks in trying to find solutions to our housing challenges.  I have been working extremely hard on the Fine Gael negotiating team trying to put together a government.  I am doing what I can to find common ground and policy agreement with other Members of this D&aacute;il.  I hope we can provide a government that will last and will have a mandate on housing and a determination to get the job done.</p>  <p>  The draft discussion document we have collaborated on contains a commitment within the first 100 days of Government to produce a housing action plan to be overseen by a dedicated Cabinet Minister, which I very much welcome.</p><p>If we are to find a real, lasting solution, we need a single Department to pull all the strands together.  We inherited a housing system that was broken.  Where we had enormous supply and a totally unsustainable model, we were left with minimal resources and pent-up demand due to the boom-and-bust policies of the past.  Since 2011, with increased growth and falling unemployment, the urgency for housing, particularly in Dublin, continues to increase.  What can be done to address the growing need for new homes?  The consensus of this D&aacute;il is that a plan to tackle housing must increase supply, particularly in urban areas, tackle homelessness and provide greater protection for renters.</p> <p> We all know our home is vital to our well-being.  It offers us our own space to claim as ours alone, in which to relax and reflect.  Nothing is more destructive than the loss of one's home.  The fear of this causes much anguish and translates into loss of identity and self-esteem.  As a family lawyer and mediator at the coalface, I daily see the importance of the family home for my clients who are going through separations and divorces.  After concern for their children, their home is the most pressing issue and the welfare of children is always inextricably linked to pressures about the family home.  I have always tried to bring finality to people who are going through the most challenging period of their lives and to deal with people professionally and compassionately.</p> <p> Everybody in this House wants to effect change.  As a working mother of two children who is paying a mortgage, I acutely understand people's needs and worries.  I listened very carefully to the concerns of the people who elected me about wanting a future in which their children could work, save and buy a home.  I listened to questions about property tax and what it would cost them in 2019.  I am relieved the Minister for Finance, Deputy Noonan, could freeze the property tax for a further three years until this date.  The other recommendations of the Thornhill report will also, I hope, be re-examined shortly.  I want a Government that will expand the tenancy sustainment protocol being received by 6,000 households which struggle to pay rent.  I want a Government that will accelerate the delivery of the committed &euro;3.8 billion in funding for targeted delivery of 35,000 social housing units.</p> <p> For my constituents, affordable housing for their children and the closure of Stepaside Garda station, which I always opposed, are of grave importance.  I will work to implement housing strategies and review the dispersal of Garda stations in urban and rural areas.  As well as housing and the property tax, child care, the self-employed and tackling crime are worries for my constituents and I intend to focus on those issues during the coming D&aacute;il.  Housing is one of the many complex areas on which I have a mandate.  I also hope that the eighth amendment can be re-examined in a mature manner, taking into account the complexity of people's lives, in particular women's lives.  I support the repeal of the eighth amendment.</p> <p> I am very proud to stand in the House with its great traditions.  It is 100 years since the 1916 Rising.  We all owe it to our forefathers and foremothers, who sacrificed so much, to serve the people with integrity.  Our country is not perfect.  Our system is not perfect.  We should always be trying to improve it.  As we look around the world, we should consider ourselves fortunate to have our country and these democratic institutions to represent us.  The centenary celebrations of the 1916 Rising give us all an opportunity to reflect on the type of nation we want.  I want to be part of a country that is prepared to be creative with its future.  The Proclamation set out a vision of a new society of Irish men and Irish women.  I am the 98th female Deputy elected to the House and it has been only 98 years since women first got the vote.  A more equally representative D&aacute;il that will debate housing and other issues is better not only for women but for every member of society.</p> <p> I am proud to be part of a Fine Gael party which is progressive, which introduced marriage equality and divorce, and which will re-examine the role of women in our society.  I hope the Thirty-second D&aacute;il will be productive and innovative on housing and I am honoured and humbled to do what I can for this country.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.264" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1300" speakername="Alan Farrell" time="19:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400038#OO00200"><p>I congratulate Deputy Madigan on her maiden speech.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.265" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1331" speakername="Peter Fitzpatrick" time="19:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400038#OO00300"><p>I welcome the opportunity to speak on housing and homelessness.  As I have stated on many previous occasions, housing is one of the greatest challenges facing the Government and society.  From my clinics in Dundalk and surrounding areas, I know housing is one of the most pressing issues facing us.  Despite what the Opposition tells us, there is no quick-fix or easy solution nor should this issue be used as a political football to serve the needs of those in opposition who seem to be able to offer everything except a real solution.  We need a realistic plan to supply quality housing to a rapidly expanding population.  We must learn from the disastrous mistakes of the last Fianna F&aacute;il Government.  We must never return to the boom-and-bust policies which got the country into the mess and for which people continue to pay a very heavy price.</p>  <p>  Fine Gael has a fully costed, realistic plan to address social housing.  We have allocated more than &euro;4 billion between now and 2020 to social housing.  In the 2016 budget, we allocated a further &euro;69 million to the housing budget, bringing the total to &euro;414 million.  These are real actions that will bring real results.  To create a sustainable construction industry that will deliver the housing required, Fine Gael is proposing a number of measures.  These include increasing annual housing output to a sustainable level of 25,000 by 2021 and working with housing associations to provide a low-cost rental option for low-income families.  Fine Gael also proposes increased tax relief for landlords who accept rent supplement and housing assistance payment, HAP, tenants, protection of renters and the introduction of a deposit retention scheme to be operational by 2017.  It also proposes to increase the relevant notice period for compliant tenants in the event of a rent increase or lease termination and to streamline the powers of the Private Residential Tenancies Board, PRTB.  Fine Gael proposes to support the concept of home ownership through the tenant purchase scheme to social housing tenants.</p>  <p>  These actions alone may not solve the issues.  We need to think outside the box and work together to bring new solutions.  I call on banks to engage fully with the various county councils to make available vacant houses on their books.  These properties are second homes that were initially purchased as investment homes and which are lying vacant and, in some cases, in a state of disrepair.  I am working with Joe McGuinness, director of services in Louth County Council, to liaise with the local banks to free up vacant properties in County Louth.  Louth County Council has more than 3,900 homes on its books and has recently purchased vacant homes from banks.  The many advantages of this approach include an immediate solution to severe housing problems, the provision of employment for those engaged in the restoration or upgrade of the homes and a more even spread of available homes throughout County Louth.  It will also prevent houses falling into disrepair.</p>  <p>  Another issue that must be resolved is the high rate of refusal by people receiving their first offer of social housing in County Louth, where one in three people refuse their first offer.  This is too high and must be addressed.  To find a long-term and sustainable solution we must look at all options and explore new ones.  As I have previously said, we should examine ways of subsidising or encouraging families to rehouse other family members who are homeless.  In some cases, homelessness is a direct result of family issues which, if handled with care and professionalism, might not develop in the first place.  We should examine providing more supports that will help families in this situation and try to solve the issue before it develops.</p>  <p>  Another area we need to examine is the use of expensive bed and breakfasts and hotels as emergency accommodation.  If we were to use private accommodation instead, not only would we achieve substantial savings of approximately &euro;2,750 per family per month, but the quality of living standards for the families would be greatly enhanced.</p>  <p>  I will work with anybody, regardless of party affiliation, to find solutions that will bring real results in housing and homelessness.  We must work together and I will support any measures that will help solve the issue.  A real solution will work only if it prevents homelessness, eliminates the need to sleep rough, eliminates the need for long-term occupation of emergency accommodation, provides long-term housing solutions and ensures effective services.  Housing and homelessness is not going to go away unless we can provide a real solution.  Everybody in this House has a responsibility to find the solution and eradicate these issues from our society.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.266" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1355" speakername="Mick Wallace" time="19:45:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400038#OO00400"><p>Most people would agree we have had a problem with how we do housing and with the construction industry for a long time.</p><p>Sadly, in the five years I have spent in here, I have watched things getting progressively worse rather than better.  This week, the members of the Independents 4 Change group - myself and Deputies Clare Daly, Joan Collins, Tommy Broughan, Catherine Connolly and Thomas Pringle - introduced a motion to the House.  I will give the background to it.  Our motion proposes:</p><blockquote>That D&aacute;il &Eacute;ireann:notes:<blockquote>&mdash; the recent proposal by the Master of the High Court, Edmund Honohan, that the Irish Government pass emergency legislation to allow it to acquire suitable properties from foreign investment funds through Compulsory Purchase Orders, as a measure in addressing the housing crisis;<br /><br />&mdash; that since this proposal was first publicly reported on, the crisis in housing has become even more acute; and<br /><br />&mdash; that the cost to the State of such compulsorily purchased units would be less than the cost of building new units;</blockquote>further notes that:<blockquote>&mdash; to date, foreign investment funds have enjoyed access to property at deep discounts, thanks to the policies of the National Asset Management Agency (NAMA) and financial institutions operating in Ireland, even as Irish citizens and the State have been denied access to same, and that a system of compulsory purchase for suitable units sold in portfolios by banks and by NAMA would go some way toward rebalancing the deeply unfair and damaging advantage given to foreign investment funds, and toward addressing the housing crisis; <br /><br />&mdash; innovative and radical proposals for tackling the housing crisis have come from a variety of different sources to date, with this latest proposal emanating from the judiciary, a grouping not generally noted for its radicalism; and<br /><br />&mdash; the Government has to date failed to move any proposal adequate to addressing the scale of the housing crisis;</blockquote>and calls on the Government to:<blockquote>&mdash; give immediate and serious consideration to the use of Compulsory Purchase Orders as a mechanism for addressing the housing crisis; and<br /><br />&mdash; immediately draft legislation to allow for compulsory purchase from foreign investment funds; draw up proposals as to the practical operation of such a scheme; and give effect to those proposals<i>.</i></blockquote></blockquote><p>Regardless of the composition of the Government that is put in place this year, most people will agree that radical decisions are required at this stage to address the housing and homelessness emergency we are facing.  The housing crisis is of course linked to the cessation approximately eight years ago of serious levels of local authority housing construction.  That has had an impact on the whole sector across the board.  Without a shadow of a doubt, we will not solve the crisis without resuming the construction of local authority social housing units.  We have discussed many aspects of that requirement and there are many dimensions to it.<br/><br/>I will return to our motion in the context of the sale of a huge chunk of Ireland to foreign vulture funds.  Much of this property was not made available to Irish citizens or to Irish businesses.  We have seen the huge profits these vulture funds have made.  I remember that when NAMA was established, the argument in favour of its creation, which was made to those who were arguing against NAMA, was that we would have a huge problem if we let the banks have a fire sale of all these stressed assets.  The idea was that NAMA would hold the units before moving them when there was some form of a recovery.  It was suggested that this would ensure the loss on those assets would not be too big.  Instead, we got a fire sale.  Anyone who has had the money to buy property from NAMA has made a fortune.  Cerberus, for example, has spent approximately &euro;4 billion on the purchase of assets on the island of Ireland with a par value of over &euro;20 billion.  It beggars belief that it got them so cheaply.  I will be shocked if the next Government does not initiate an independent inquiry into how all of this has worked out because there are huge problems in this regard.<br/><br/>I suggest we need to look to the future as well.  We need to take back some of this property.  The vulture funds have bought huge chunks of residential units and development lands that are needed.  Even though we have been looking at a housing crisis for a long time, the State has allowed NAMA to sell so much of what is needed to vulture funds for peanuts.  It does not stack up.  Before Christmas, NAMA signed off on Project Arrow, which involved a portfolio with a par value of &euro;6.3 billion.  It is a reported that NAMA sold this portfolio for &euro;800 million.  This relates mostly to property in the Republic of Ireland.  Where is the logic in that?  We are aware that houses cannot be built overnight.  We have sold houses and apartments that have already been built to these operators for peanuts.  It is time for the State to take serious action, for example by introducing a system of compulsory purchase to take back what we need to deal with the crisis.<br/><br/>We will not be able to provide all the housing we need as quickly as we would like.  The Government has spoken about modular housing.  We have given away properly constructed houses for a fraction of what it costs to put a modular house together.  It has taken longer to build those modular houses than was initially laid out.  Why not take back some of the property that is rightfully ours?<br/><br/>The facility that the vulture funds have had in purchasing these properties from NAMA and the financial institutions has not been available to the Irish.  We allowed NAMA to sell property in such big bundles that Irish businesses could not even come near it.  They could not even bid for it because they were not in the same league.  We effectively said, &quot;Only foreigners need apply&quot; or &quot;Only US vulture funds mainly need apply&quot;.  This has distorted the market.  Not only have we allowed these vulture funds to purchase huge tracts of housing, apartments and development land that we need but we have also given this property to them too cheaply.  We did not interfere to stop NAMA, which is a State body, from doing this.  We have not held them to account for what they have done.  We have not questioned what they have done.  We have seen the figures.  The astronomical profits that have been turned over in such a short space of time from these NAMA sales are horrendous.<br/><br/>As Deputies will probably have read over the weekend, Cerberus was able to give Paddy Kearney's business a write-down of &pound;250 million on property that was initially in NAMA.  Cerberus could well afford to do so because it is hammering many others and will hammer many more in the future.  The same company bought property from Bank of Scotland and Ulster Bank.  There is a great deal of trouble coming down the tracks regarding many of these sales.  We have refused to question what is going on.  The manner in which NAMA has operated is the biggest economic scandal in the history of this State.  We should start by stopping it from operating, establishing an independent inquiry into what it has done and introducing compulsory purchase to take back from the vulture funds what belongs to the people of Ireland.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.268" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1250" speakername="Robert Troy" time="19:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400039#PP00200"><p>I propose to share four minutes of my time with Deputy Eugene Murphy.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.269" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="19:55:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400039#PP00300"><p>Is that agreed?  Agreed.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.270" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1250" speakername="Robert Troy" time="20:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400040#QQ00100"><p><i>8 o&amp;rsquo;clock</i></p>  <p>As this is the first opportunity I have had to speak since my re-election, I take this opportunity to thank the people of Longford-Westmeath for once again placing their trust in me in the most recent general election.</p>  <p>  We are in this important debate speaking about what is possibly the biggest crisis facing this State.  In my view, the housing crisis, particularly in the past couple of years, should have been declared a national emergency.  However, for Government to have done that would have been for it to admit defeat and show an element of humility, something which it has failed to do time and again.  This crisis was caused by many of the policies pursued by the outgoing Government.  It is because of those policies that the outgoing Government lost 56 Deputies and is now unable to form a new Government.  I call on the acting Government to listen attentively to the proposals being put before it by Members of all political parties and none.</p>  <p>  Approximately 90% of the representations made to me at my constituency office in Longford-Westmeath on a daily basis relate to housing issues, including evictions of people from their homes because they cannot afford to pay their rent, repossession of houses by banks and young people who do not have the wherewithal to rent privately and are seeking social housing but cannot access it.  These are problems facing us all.  They are problems created by the outgoing Government through its policies during its five years in office, including the reduction in the social housing construction programme.  It also slashed rent allowance, cut mortgage interest relief and left thousands of houses across every county and constituency void.  It is unbelievable that there are still 3,000 voids across the country because the outgoing Government put a cap of &euro;30,000 on refurbishment of a void while at the same time more than &euro;200,000 is being spent on the construction of a modular home.  That does not make economic or social sense.  Probably the worst legacy of the outgoing Government is that tonight there are 1,800 children in emergency accommodation.  The Government patted itself on the back for having enshrined the rights of our children in the Constitution, the referendum on which I vigorously supported.  Surely the most basic right of any child is a place to call home.  The Government has failed children and continues to fail them.</p>  <p>  I welcomed the introduction of the mortgage to rent scheme.  I believed it was an innovative scheme that would assist families who got into mortgage difficulties to remain in their homes.  However, that scheme is not working and it needs to be amended.  Where a family has lived 30 or 40 years in a house which a bank is seeking to repossess and that house has one or two bedrooms more than what is required for that family, the family does not qualify to remain in it.  That does not make sense.  Deputy Clare Daly referred earlier to the construction in her constituency of modular homes at a cost of over &euro;200,000 despite that there are houses available for purchase on the open market for significantly less.  Again, this does not make good economic sense.</p>  <p>  For all the talk of this Government in terms of its prioritisation of this issue, two weeks ago a senior official in my constituency told me that despite that we are now into the second quarter of the year the council has yet to be advised of its allocation for this year.  Where is the priority in terms of homelessness?  How can the people charged with the responsibility make the necessary decisions if they are not even being given notice of how much they can spend on an annual basis?  There are inconsistencies from county to county, with some county councils willing to help people with a deposit and others unwilling to do so, the former only in the case of people who are fortunate to find a house on the open market, which currently is not possible.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.271" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="20:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400040#QQ00200"><p>The next speaker is Deputy Eugene Murphy.  I understand this is the Deputy's maiden speech.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.272" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1342" speakername="Eugene Murphy" time="20:05:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400040#QQ00300"><p>Yes.  I believe the election of the Ceann Comhairle by way of private ballot was a great day for the House.  I am sure Deputy &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l will be an excellent Ceann Comhairle.  He is already demonstrating that he will be fair to all.</p>  <p>  I represent the constituency of Roscommon-Galway and I have been involved in local politics for many years.  I am truly delighted and honoured that the people of Roscommon-Galway elected me, which was probably one of the shocks of the recent general election.</p>  <p>  I am saddened that as I make my maiden speech on housing the Minister, Deputy Kelly, is not in the House.  Perhaps he is otherwise engaged.  I thought his behaviour during some of the contributions made earlier was appalling.  He constantly read from booklets and interrupted.  I thought he took no interest whatsoever in what was being said.  Those who know me well know I am not a person that makes this type of criticism.  In my view the Minister, who I hope is listening in somewhere on a monitor, did not treat any Member of this House well this evening.</p>  <p>  We all know there is a homelessness issue and not only in Dublin.  I acknowledge that homelessness in our capital city is an extremely serious problem.  However, there are families in Roscommon-Galway living in hotel rooms tonight.  Some Members may find that hard to understand but it is happening.  In the constituency of Roscommon-Galway, which comprises a small part of east Galway, there are 85,000 voters and in excess of 1,100 people on the housing waiting list.  More than 60% of the representations made to my constituency office relate to housing matters.  There are an extraordinary number of people in dire straits in terms of mortgages.  This places enormous pressure on families.  It is appalling and wrong that the banks and others are putting people out of their houses.  For families, particularly those with young children, this is distressing, upsetting and not right. </p>  <p>  In my view as a new Deputy all the Minister wanted to do when he came in here today was protect his record which, to me, is not good.  We need a Minister for housing who cares.  The Minister, Deputy Kelly, spoke about social housing and the additional units that have been provided.  In my estimation no more than 250 social houses were constructed in 2015.</p><p>There are more than 100,000 people on the social housing list in this country.  I do not believe any Member in this Chamber is kicking a political football around with regard to the housing crisis.</p> <p> The Minister failed to mention modular housing.  I remember the fanfare when he announced modular housing and the cost of it.  If I am correct, he spoke of a cost of &euro;100,000 or &euro;150,000.  I heard Deputy Eoin &Oacute; Broin of Sinn F&eacute;in on national radio the other morning speak about the fact - I am sure if I am wrong, somebody will correct me - that modular housing costs would now be in the region of &euro;250,000.  He made the point that local authority houses could be bought for much less.</p> <p> I will conclude, knowing that time is limited.  I do not believe any other administration, particularly a Fianna F&aacute;il one, would have let this develop to the point it has.  It is shameful that many children are living in hotel rooms.  It is wrong, wrong, wrong.  I plead with the Minister to face up to the problems as long as he is the Minister.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.274" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="20:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400041#RR00200"><p>We have three speakers in the next slot - Deputies Pat Buckley, Gerry Adams and Maurice Quinlivan.  Deputy Buckley, are you making your maiden address as well?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.275" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1279" speakername="Pat Buckley" time="20:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400041#RR00300"><p>I am.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.276" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="20:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400041#RR00400"><p>I ask you to stick to the time limit.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.277" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1279" speakername="Pat Buckley" time="20:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400041#RR00500"><p>I will, of course.  Those of us from Cork can speak a lot faster anyway.</p>  <p>  It is a great honour to address the House tonight on behalf of the people of Cork East who have put their faith in me and on behalf of Sinn F&eacute;in.  I would like to congratulate the Ceann Comhairle and the Members who have been returned to the 32nd D&aacute;il.</p>  <p>  Where will I start?  Housing has become probably one of the biggest issues in our country since the 1930s.  Either we act now or this situation will continue to spiral into an uncontrollable state.  The knock-on effects of this current crisis are being felt nationally and are putting a massive strain on other related services that have been poorly funded.  At present, in County Cork alone, excluding Cork city, there are more than 7,000 people on the waiting lists.  It is absolutely criminal.  I give the example of a family living in my constituency of Cork East who have been paying rent.  They cannot afford to save for a mortgage.  They have been paying rent while waiting maybe five to eight years to get on the social housing list.  The reason they applied for this in the first place is that they cannot afford the grossly inflated prices churned out by the rental market.  To be honest, it is a catch-22 scenario.</p>  <p>  Take the example of families in mortgage arrears or mortgage distress - it does not matter what one calls it.  The pressure of meeting these monthly payments, coupled with threatening letters from the banks and an almost complete sense of apathy from this State, ensures these families have no sense of long-term security.  In both of the examples outlined, we speak of a distress that most of us in this Chamber could only imagine, not knowing where the next payment is coming from.  I see this almost every day and I can see that it is leading to mental health issues for those involved.  The Minister mentioned a while ago that marriage break-ups were causing homelessness.  I think that is an insult to families.  Marriage break-ups are a product of the housing crisis and the stress within families.  It is leading to mental health issues and suicides.  </p>  <p>  There is a bigger picture here with people in families who cannot afford to address the problem.  These people are at breaking point.  I appeal to the Minister to take the personal issues on board.  These are not statistics; these are families and real people.  There is an emergency that must be addressed and I ask that it be addressed now.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.278" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1330" speakername="Gerry Adams" time="20:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400041#RR00600"><p>T&aacute;im bu&iacute;och don Cheann Comhairle as ucht an deis labhairt faoin ng&eacute;arch&eacute;im tith&iacute;ochta anocht.  I welcome the approval of the D&aacute;il of a Sinn F&eacute;in proposal to establish the all-party housing committee to produce a report on solutions to the unprecedented housing crisis the State and its citizens face at this time.  Sinn F&eacute;in looks forward to working with everyone on the committee.  Our goal must be to produce a report with practical recommendations and solutions that the next Government will implement.  The construction of social housing has been in decline for ten consecutive years under the outgoing Fine Gael and Labour Party Government and the Fianna F&aacute;il-led Government that preceded it.  This emergency is a result of Government policy.  Critics of the State's housing policy rightly point out that in worse economic circumstances, local councils were provided with the resources to build houses for families in need.  Local authorities, therefore, need to be properly resourced now.</p>  <p>  Just this morning, in the centenary year of the 1916 rising, we learned that nearly 6,000 citizens are in homeless emergency accommodation.  That includes 1,881 children.  While this is a State-wide problem, the majority of these are in emergency accommodation in Dublin.  Yet, it is a fact that in Dublin city alone, there are more than 56,000 houses zoned, including 14,000 social houses with planning permission.  It is done and dusted.  Construction of these houses could commence tomorrow if the political will existed.  In my own constituency, there are more than 5,000 applications for housing on Louth County Council's waiting list.  Yet, only nine social houses have been built there in the past two years.  Citizens need real homes, not hotel rooms, bed and breakfasts or hostels.</p>  <p>  The problem is that the outgoing Government does not believe in the right of the citizen to a home.  That is the main impediment to resolving the housing crisis.  Sinn F&eacute;in takes a very different position.  We believe in the right of every citizen, man, woman and child, to a home, whatever their circumstances.  This is achievable.  We have identified &euro;2.2 billion in investment in housing that could provide 36,500 new homes over five years.  We want to see boarded-up houses, apartments and voids opened up and refurbished.  We want to see a minimum of 4,000 of NAMA's 20,000 private houses used as social houses.  We want compulsory purchases of housing stock which has been gifted by NAMA to vulture funds.  We want to deliver security and certainty for tenants, to support home owners and buyers and to stop the profiteering of banks at the cost of mortgage holders.  We raised all of these issues with the Government in the last term, well before this problem fell to the depths it is at now.  We warned of this years before because these were the issues we were hearing about on the streets and in our constituency offices.  We believe that this crisis can be reversed and brought to an end.  Our representatives will be bringing these proposals and more to the new housing committee as soon as it begins its work.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.279" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1327" speakername="Maurice Quinlivan" time="20:15:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400041#RR00700"><p>I am delighted the D&aacute;il has agreed to set up an all-party committee to deal with the issue of housing and homelessness.  It is long overdue.  We have a national emergency, which should be called a national emergency.  I will campaign that we call it such.  Nowhere is it expressed as vividly as it is in my own city of Limerick.  Today, in the local newspaper, the <i>Limerick Post</i>, the front page story describes the conditions people are in and the desperate things they are doing to try to secure accommodation.  It also features a story about myself and my constituency office.  Unfortunately, we had to close one day last week because the number of people with issues of homelessness  presenting was causing a stress to ourselves.  Families with young children were coming in in very obvious states of distress and we were unable to cope with the number that approached us that day.</p><p>In previous generations in Limerick, the local authority played an active role in building houses which alleviated a lot of the shortages.  From the 1950s to the 1970s, local authorities provided good quality, well-built social housing for the people of Limerick and across the State.  Figures for those experiencing homelessness are continuously under-represented.  They do not account for families or individuals who are staying with friends or for generational families who are living together in what can often be very cramped or unsafe accommodation.  It does not reflect the significant number of people who are at risk of serious homelessness.  More and more working people on low to middle incomes are finding it difficult to cope.  The number of people sleeping on the streets or in emergency accommodation is shocking.</p><p>However, as long as people struggling to pay mortgages or rent are not supported by Government policies, these figures will continue to grow rapidly.  Given the chronic shortage of social housing, many have been forced to rent privately to avoid homelessness.  In recent years, the State has abdicated its responsibility in the area of housing provision and shifted this vital social need to the private rented sector, including the transfer of billions of euro in public money into the pockets of private landlords.  The Celtic tiger period saw an unprecedented housing boom nationwide.  Local authorities stopped building social housing, turning instead to schemes such as the rental accommodation scheme, RAS, in 2006 and the housing assistance payment, HAP, which was trialled in Limerick in 2014.  While RAS and HAP have been welcome boosts to some families and individuals seeking affordable accommodation, they have also proved to be unreliable as many tenants have been forced to leave their homes when contracts were not renewed.  In many cases, local authorities were unable to provide alternative accommodation.  The effectiveness of rent supplement, HAP and RAS has always been problematic.  It has never proved adequate to assist people to meet rent costs.</p> <p> While the State and local authorities have become ever more dependent on the private rented sector for housing provision, they have singularly failed to monitor the quality of the accommodation provided.  Many landlords get away with providing sub-standard and often unsafe accommodation to people in little or no position to complain.  While housing inspections are supposed to happen, a tenant might have a better chance of winning the lottery than having a housing inspection completed.  Other major complications are the shortage of suitable properties to rent and the upward movement in rents.  Sinn F&eacute;in is in favour of greater regulation of the private rented sector to ensure the protection of tenants.  Sadly, the neglect of previous Governments means this temporary solution has become permanent.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.281" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1341" speakername="Michael Fitzmaurice" time="20:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400042#SS00200"><p>I start by thanking the people of Roscommon and south Leitrim for re-electing me.  We hope to do our best.  Modular homes costing &euro;240,000 is ridiculous when we can build houses with bricks and mortar for &euro;85 per square foot where the site is supplied.  We cannot keep going down that road because it is an astronomical amount of money.  We should go back to the basics.  Now and over the next 18 months, 50,000 people will get repossession letters and if we do not solve this, we will have another 8,000 to 10,000 people going onto the housing lists.  We have to find a solution.  The banks must start listening to and working with people.  One way to get the building sector moving is to get money to the private sector to build houses.  The rates we are hearing about mean it cannot happen.  The other issue is voids.  The Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government must think outside the box.  We need to say to local authorities that we will supply 100% of the funding if they can turn a house over in the first month.  However, if they dilly-dally for three or four months, they will lose 10% per month.  That is what will wake up some of these people to achieve that turnover as if they were in private business.</p>  <p>  It is virtually impossible for young people to get on the housing list currently.  We must look outside the box again.  We can give out about it but at the end of the day, we have to solve it.  We have to look at the likes of intergenerational mortgages such as those used in countries like Austria across two and three generations to ensure the price of housing came down.  In Roscommon, I have seen plans for ten houses over the next three years.  That is not going to solve it.  We have also looked at the idea of directing a lot of money towards the private rented sector.  However, we can direct all the money we want there, if the houses are not in the towns, one is not going to get anything out of it.  When houses are repossessed, the people put out turn up as homeless and the Department of Social Protection will give them rent allowance.  Would it not be better for local authorities to take equity in those houses and work with the Department of Social Protection to ensure that we keep people in houses for a certain length of time?  Credit unions and the Credit Union Development Association, CUDA, must be brought in on this.  They have &euro;4 billion to &euro;5 billion.  If it is done sensibly and right - I understand things are afoot at the moment - they can come on board to help solve this problem.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.282" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1347" speakername="Mattie McGrath" time="20:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400042#SS00300"><p>It is not my maiden speech-----</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.283" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="20:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400042#SS00400"><p>It is anything but.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.284" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1347" speakername="Mattie McGrath" time="20:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400042#SS00500"><p>-----but I congratulate all those who made their maiden speeches tonight.  We have to be serious here but the Minister's behaviour tonight, as per usual, was bullish and dogmatic.  He promises everything and delivers nothing.  The modular homes are proving that.  Local authorities and the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government have failed to build houses for the people.  We were able to build them in the 1950s and 1960s.  It is just ineptitude now.  We met two very senior officials in our talks with the Government party on housing and they could not answer our questions or tell us anything.  It is very disappointing.  They have lost the will and the way to look after the people in terms of the provision of houses.  I refer to a note which mentions 20 houses in Tipperary.  Interviews for architects have been held.  It is all about interviews, architects and consultants, pushing paper around and creating jobs for people instead of getting houses built and trying to do something decent.  There are 2,800 people in Tipperary who are approved for housing not to mention all of those whose houses are being repossessed and the terror behind that lucrative industry involving the banks and NAMA and their friends the sheriffs, county registrars and receivers.  We saw what happened with a farm in Cork the other day.  While it was nothing to do with the house, the house will probably go next.  There was a &euro;2.4 million debt and the receivers appointed have run up a bill of &euro;1.6 million in 11 months.  There will not be a shilling for anyone.  The sooner the Government wakes up and stops this murky business, the better.  Cromwell was not as bad in his heyday as these people.  There are homeless people in hotels.  The folly of it is pure crazy and I cannot understand it.</p>  <p>  The voluntary housing sector has huge capacity.  People acting in a voluntary capacity set up the water schemes and everything else.  However, the mandarins in the Department do not want them.  Bord snip disbanded the unit that was dealing with the voluntary sector because its house building was causing embarrassment.  They were asked to up their game from 1,500 to 2,500 and they did it.  We cannot demonise the small builders who can and will deliver.  Deputy Fitzmaurice referred to price and value.  To pay that kind of money for modular homes is extortionate.  Too many people are involved in the racket of take, take and take.  There is nothing about providing houses for ordinary people who want to pay for them.  I just got a telephone call an hour ago from a young man in my constituency who has been refused planning.  It is going on now for 18 months.  He wants to build a house on his own land but the planners say he cannot put in it this place or that place and that he must put it in such a place or he will be refused.  It is disgraceful.  There is too much shenanigans and antics by officialdom which will stop people who want a home from housing themselves.  They will not support people who are in trouble with the banks to keep them in their homes but rather force them onto the housing lists and make their children homeless.  Trauma, stress, sickness and marital breakdown goes with that and accumulates huge problems for the years to come.</p>  <p>  Past Governments have failed in their duty to house the people.  Governments will have to get back to basics and allow people who want to build their own houses or get loans to do so.  Approximately two years ago, the Minister, Deputy Alan Kelly, announced the mortgage to rent scheme.  Three people were approved for that in Tipperary in three years.  It is pathetic codology.  The sooner we cut out the codology in here about forming a Government and listen to the people, the better.  It is public service not self-service.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.285" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1365" speakername="Paul Kehoe" time="20:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400042#SS00600"><p>I apologise on behalf of the Minister, Deputy Alan Kelly, who was called away on a personal matter.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.286" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1347" speakername="Mattie McGrath" time="20:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400042#SS00700"><p>Where is he gone?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.287" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1365" speakername="Paul Kehoe" time="20:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400042#SS00800"><p>He was here listening to the debate this evening when Deputy McGrath, perhaps, was not.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.288" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1347" speakername="Mattie McGrath" time="20:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400042#SS00900"><p>I was here.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.289" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1365" speakername="Paul Kehoe" time="20:25:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400042#SS01000"><p>He only left approximately 45 minutes ago.  </p>  <p>  It is clear that we have major challenges in the housing sector, the causes of which are well known and documented at this stage.  The Minister, Deputy Kelly, has outlined these in his earlier contribution.  Distortion in the housing market and the misallocation of resources through supply and demand imbalance is very significant and has the potential to affect every other area of a country's economy and competitiveness.  As we know, the residential construction sector has been seriously damaged and is still in the process of being repaired.  The process of repair has clearly taken longer to complete than in other sectors of the economy.  Getting these distortions back into alignment is going to take some time but this realignment is necessary to rectify the terrible mistakes of the past.</p><p>Beyond individuals, housing is a major factor in our national economic competitiveness and fundamental to national economic recovery.  Making it more affordable should have a positive impact on spending power and lead to a more competitive economy overall.<br/><br/>I will not claim that the Government has fixed everything in one D&aacute;il term.  We did not.  Fixing it properly will take years.  However, it is important to benchmark what has been done, what remains to be done and, more importantly, what we need to do and to consider our plan to get there.  I am satisfied that the Government has laid the foundations and introduced measures that will bear fruit.  The housing actions report published today details 31 major actions taken by the Government to tackle the problem in the past 21 months.  The report is available on the website of the Department of the Environment, Community and Local Government and I encourage every Deputy and those watching and listening to download and read it.<br/><br/>On the issues that remain to be addressed, increased supply of all forms of housing is required.  The supply of new houses and apartments is starting from a low base.  The construction system appears to be struggling to make large-scale residential developments work.  In 2014 and 2015 <i>circa</i>11,000 and 12,500 homes, respectively, were completed, less than half of the estimated requirement of 25,000 per year.  Where we needed 50,000 homes, the sector delivered less than half of that amount.  There was also a significant mismatch between the types of home needed and the types constructed.  Some 57% of new households that will form in the Dublin area will be one or two-person households, yet 72% of all new housing coming on stream will be scheme or individual housing.  The lack of supply leads to a slower rate of turnover of existing stock, which means that few houses are for sale for trading up or down.  A key challenge is to increase housing supply of all types of home to meet pent-up demand.  This requires a continual and increased whole-of-government approach, as the decision to build on this scale raises questions of viability, construction costs, the potential of households to meet asking prices and secure debt and the ability of builders to secure the necessary equity and finance.<br/><br/>Ireland's rental market doubled between 2006 and 2011 to approximately 320,000 households, some 20% of total Irish households.  In Dublin rents are back to their 2007 boom-time peak.  Interestingly and importantly, the rate of increase in private sector rents slowed in the final quarter of last year, with a slightly higher growth rate outside Dublin.  The Residential Tenancies (Amendment) Act 2015 provides for an increased rent review period from one to two years, increased notice periods for rent reviews and greater protections for tenants and landlords.  These measures will bring much-needed stability to the rental sector pending the coming on stream of new housing.  However, to offer a secure, stable and attractive housing option, the rental sector needs greater supply and the associated marketplace competition.<br/><br/>In terms of social housing, the State has committed to helping those who struggle to meet their housing needs.  Through the social housing strategy 2020, I am glad to say the State has been returned to a central role in the provision of social housing.<br/><br/>The significant increase in homelessness in the past year poses major challenges, not least for the families affected.  The root cause of an increased number of families and individuals in homelessness is a supply shortage across the housing system.  The solution lies in the broader response of increasing all forms of housing supply.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.291" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="20:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400043#TT00200"><p>Will the Minister of State, please, conclude?</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.292" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1365" speakername="Paul Kehoe" time="20:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400043#TT00300"><p>I will.  While we are working to increase supply, the measures to address the immediate effects of homelessness have been identified in the implementation plan and the State's response to homelessness.  The Government put in place a multifaceted set of responses to deal with the breadth of issues being faced.  The approach taken has been to tackle the problem from every angle.  There have been many mistakes and problems in the housing market.  If we are to reverse past failures, we must take a comprehensive approach that is broad in scope, recognises all tenures, boosts supply to a level that meets demand, helps tenants, as well as home buyers, and is attractive to all stakeholders.  We are facing major challenges and solving them will take time, but the foundations of a solution have been laid.  Time will be necessary to implement them.  This work needs to continue and every angle must be explored to improve the position.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.293" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1371" speakername="Se&aacute;n &Oacute; Feargha&iacute;l" time="20:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400043#TT00400"><p>Sin cr&iacute;och le r&aacute;itis maidir le tith&iacute;ocht agus easpa d&iacute;dine.</p></speech>
    <major-heading id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.294" nospeaker="true" time="20:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400043#TT00500">Committee on Housing and Homelessness: Motion</major-heading>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.295" speakerid="com.kildarestreet/member/1365" speakername="Paul Kehoe" time="20:35:00" url="http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2016041400043#TT00600"><p>I move:</p><blockquote>That--(<i>a</i>) a Special Committee, which shall be called the Committee on Housing and Homelessness, shall be established to review the implications of the problems of housing and homelessness and make recommendations thereon;<br /><br />(<i>b</i>) the Committee shall be made up of 14 Members of the D&aacute;il, of which three members will be appointed by Fine Gael, three members by Fianna F&aacute;il, two members by Sinn F&eacute;in, one member by the Labour Party and five members representing the Independent Deputies and Members from other political parties, and four shall constitute a quorum; members may be substituted as provided under Standing Order 95(2);<br /><br />(<i>c</i>) notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order 93, the Committee shall elect one of its members to be Chairman, who shall have only one vote;<br /><br />(<i>d</i>) the Ceann Comhairle shall announce the names of the members appointed under paragraph (<i>b</i>) for the information of the D&aacute;il on the first sitting day following their appointment;<br /><br />(<i>e</i>) the Committee shall have the powers defined in Standing Order 85 (other than paragraphs (3), (4) and (6) thereof);<br /><br />(<i>f</i>) the Committee shall, by the 28th April 2016, provide an interim report, containing its proposed work schedule for consideration by the D&aacute;il; and<br /><br />(<i>g</i>) the Committee shall, by the 17th June 2016, present a final report to the D&aacute;il, whereupon the Committee shall stand dissolved.</blockquote></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.296" nospeaker="true" time="20:35:00" ><p>Question put and agreed to.</p></speech>
    <speech id="com.kildarestreet/dail/2016-04-14a.297" nospeaker="true" time="20:35:00" ><p>The D&aacute;il adjourned at at 8.35 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 20 April 2016.</p></speech>
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