Chameleon Kit #15661
Chameleon Kit #15661
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Increase price to 4TC and it's good |
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No. Provide a reason. |
| A = input("Select [chameleon_name] to change it to", "Chameleon [chameleon_name]", A) in chameleon_list | ||
| if(!A) | ||
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| if(istype(user, /mob/living/carbon)) |
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2 TC is honestly....way to cheap. In my personnel opinion it should atleast be 8 TC. |
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No. Provide a reason. |
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Provide a reason for keeping it cheap as fuck |
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| /obj/item/clothing/mask/gas/voice/space_ninja/speechModification(message) |
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where did these procs go?
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oh yeah I should probably put that in the changelog
space ninja snowflake was too retarded for me to bother keeping and the person who redid it said they didn't care anymore/didn't give a response when I asked if they cared at all, so I axed it. No reason to keep it in since literally no one uses it and admins haven't spawned a ninja in literally fucking ages.
Then again, saying this is gonna make an admin go spawn a ninja and then pop out of the woodwork saying they make ninjas "all the time", so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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Removing ninja anime voice
Nooo. Make it a dna mutation at least.
Ninjas are currently broken, which is why admins don't spawn them. @neersighted says he's gonna do a nanoui for spiderOS, so I'm waiting on that.
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ninjas are currently broken
Yeah no not reverting this.
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I use broken as a generalized term for the issues they have. Mainly broken as in balance wise in terms of invisibility.
The mask itself works fine. Leave it be.
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DNA mutation is a perfect way to keep this. Do so @Iamgoofball
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I'll do that in another PR, adding more mutations changes genetics up in regards to getting things.
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The mask itself works fine. Leave it be.
it isn't compatible with the changes and I can't be assed to snowflake out the chameleon functionality for an already snowflakey voice changer special snowflake subtype for NINJA.
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Because its a disguise kit. Its defensive. The price should be cheap. |
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Half the shit he changed was more expensive that 2 TCs and now it's all bundled up for cheaper than it ever was before |
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One word: Holoparasites. Besides, you have no idea how to balance traitor. You campaigned to close the non-disarmable eswords because you whined you couldn't punch a fucking jedi as a untrained ass. |
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Other portions of badly balanced game mechanics are not a reason to say that this badly balanced mechanic is ok |
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That's a fair point but quite frankly going by purchase ratings on those items: They're all sub 20%, especially the voice changer. Compare this to shit like the emag, which is used in EVERY SINGLE ROUND WHERE THERE'S AN UPLINK, or the esword which is used in 81% of rounds, or the syndicate encryption key at 48% of rounds, or the fact that people buy RANDOM ITEMS more than they buy the 3 listed items above at around 22%. There's no harm in buffing underused items and seeing how it goes. Data gathered from here http://www.ss13.eu/tgdb/tg/latest_stats.html#uplinkitems |
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Good buff I think, these items are rarely used if ever (as noted). I don't think the price is a issue considering these items offer no real offensive bonus, the Laser Gun might fool some people but otherwise its pure obfuscation and defence. |
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Good shit, goof. 👍 |
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Might I ask why little use means it's bad? I like what's being changed here but nothing needs to be a must buy to be... useful.
Doesn't that mean this will make it more used and then everything else that players think isn't an essential will be bought less and then we wind up back in the same situation, just a different PR? |
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Oh and more statistics for fun!
Nuke ops love it and use the voice changer a lot.
Nuke ops love the jumpsuit more than the mask, probably because they can do it without the mask. Hell unless I'm getting the numbers wrong, they're sometimes bought by more than one person when they are bought.
1 out of 4 tators agree, buying no slips is the way to go. So if you're going to do this, the bundle at that price will be used a lot more as a whole rather than the component parts for their specific purposes as useful in specific situations. |
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How about I drag something up that is sub 20%. The revolver, it's 16% overall, 18% in tator, 7% in tatorchang and 10% in nuke. Does that need a buff because its bought stats are low? Again I like what you're doing here but I don't like the use of statistics as to why it should be buffed so dramatically. |
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Yeah, Cosmic makes a good point and I agree. Voice changer and chameleon jumpsuit sure, I could see these being bundled at maybe 3-4tc, but not fucking noslips. And 2tc is just ridiculous. |
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They are often used in Nuke Ops because, surprise, it's usually far easier to get where you need wearing a assistant's uniform with a gas mask than wearing a obvious red Nuke Op hardsuit. If the whole thing is condensed into one package then the interested Ops will simply buy the package as it'll come with everything they need for a good disguise. |
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Remove the no-slip from the shoes and make it 3 TC then it's 👍 |
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| #include "code\modules\mob\living\carbon\human\blood.dm" | |||
| #include "code\modules\mob\living\carbon\human\death.dm" | |||
| #include "code\modules\mob\living\carbon\human\emote.dm" | |||
| #include "code\modules\mob\living\carbon\human\examine.dm" | |||
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Huh, why exactly this file was removed?
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Does the mask have a clear mode so you can stealth evade say tear gas bombs? |
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| target.desc = initial(picked_item.desc) | ||
| target.name = initial(picked_item.name) |
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name var always goes above desc in item defines you should move this line up
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Ooh, just realised. You forgot to add dials to the description of the non-jumpsuit chameleon gear. |
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Doesn't matter since the description gets nuked on the first change of appearance. |
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@Supermichael777 thats called a breath mask. |
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It's not for sec meta, iamgoof, just a) consistency and b) reelissusms |
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I need to remove the dial message from the jumpsuit, and I don't give a fuck about realism. |
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It halps the nublets think of the nublets |
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They'll notice the big action buttons in the top left of their screen. |
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one potential exploit i just noticed is that this stores a backpack in a box which i assume you can put into your backpack and can also hold more boxes with backpacks |
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Nah, once you take something out it won't fit anymore. |
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Will conflict with #15673 a lot. |
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Well, since you did increase the price, the only complaint I had is gone. 👍 |
…o PARANOIA Conflicts: code/game/objects/items.dm code/modules/clothing/masks/gasmask.dm code/modules/clothing/under/chameleon.dm
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All my issues with this are gone, irrelevant, or changed-position-on, so 👍 |
| for(var/V in chameleon_list) | ||
| var/obj/item/I = V | ||
| if(initial(I.name) == picked_name) | ||
| picked_item = V |
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maybe a break here, so we stop the "for" loop once we find a match.
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Also, the chameleon items do not inherit the flags of the item it tries to copy, especially cover_flags. This means you can copy a headgear that is supposed to cover your glasses but your copy doesn't cover the glasses, which gives your chameleon gear away. Is that intended? |
| I.item_state = initial(picked_item.item_state) | ||
| target.icon = initial(picked_item.icon) | ||
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| C.regenerate_icons() //so our overlays update. |
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This is a pretty heavy proc. It's not a pretty big deal but if you could find a way to call the appropriate updates, like only update_inv_head() when changing a headgear.
Maybe by checking which slot the item is in? So we only update your hand overlay when the item is in your hand, and call update_inv_backpack() when on your back, etc.
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Not without copypasting this shit and making 20 subtype datums for every single item.
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That's not intended, I'll make cover flags transfer |
A TEAM OF NUKEOPS DISGUISED AS THE HEADS OF STAFF
🆑 Iamgoofball
rscadd: Adds the Chameleon Kit to the uplink for 4 telecrystals.
rscadd: It contains a Chameleon Jumpsuit/Exosuit/Gloves/Shoes/Glasses/Hat/Mask/Backpack/Radio/Stamp/Gun/PDA.
rscadd: The chameleon gun fires no-damage lasers regardless of what it looks like.
rscdel: The Voice Changer has been removed.
rscadd: The Voice Changer has been merged into the Chameleon Mask to encourage disguising, and help with attempted infiltration.
rscdel: The Chameleon Jumpsuit has been replaced by the Chameleon Kit in the uplink for the same price.
experimental: The Chameleon Shoes have noslip functionality so you can disguise with them.
experimental: The noslip shoes are still available for purchase for now, but they got free chameleon functionality. Death to the brown shoes meta.
tweak: All chameleon clothing items have lost the EMP vulnerability. This should be a much needed buff.
tweak: Keep in mind, just because it looks like armor, doesn't mean it is. They have very very minor defensive stats but in an actual fight you're still going to take a lot of damage from projectiles and the greyshirt with a toolbox.
experimental: Agent ID Cards can now use chameleon technology to look like any other ID card.
rscdel: Due to budget cuts, the Space Ninjas approaching the station will no longer have voice changing capabilities.
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