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3.3 Safety vs. Comfort - editorial #309

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mnot opened this issue Jul 25, 2023 · 4 comments · Fixed by #329
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3.3 Safety vs. Comfort - editorial #309

mnot opened this issue Jul 25, 2023 · 4 comments · Fixed by #329

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@mnot
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mnot commented Jul 25, 2023

The way this section is written is a bit confusing to me. Straw-man proposal (that I'm sure could be improved):

This Code prioritizes the safety of individuals, particularly those in marginalized communities, over the comfort of others. For example, the following behaviours are presumed to be acceptable even if they make some participants uncomfortable:

  • Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as “leave me alone,” “go away,” or “I’m not discussing this with you”
  • Communicating in a tone that is perceived by some to be uncongenial
  • Critising oppressive behaviour or assumptions, such as those that are racist, sexist, or cissexist

Note that claims of "reverse"-isms including "reverse racism," "reverse sexism," and "cisphobia" are not acceptable.

That should be just an editorial change. However, it might also be good to explain the points about tone and reverse-isms a bit more.

@TzviyaSiegman
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Thanks @mnot. We will consider this. This section proved very challenging to write. I appreciate the suggestion.

@dbooth-boston
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I think this is a big improvement -- especially this part: "the following behaviours are presumed to be acceptable even if they make some participants uncomfortable".

However, I think this bullet is still problematic:

Note that claims of "reverse"-isms including "reverse racism," "reverse sexism," and "cisphobia" are not acceptable.

It's problematic because:

  • It's using jargon that isn't defined; and
  • It's implicitly based on, and referring to, a theory of oppression and discrimination that isn't explained. Racism, sexism and other isms should not be acceptable regardless of whether they are "forward" or "reverse". But if claims of reverse-isms are not acceptable, while claims of forward-isms are acceptable, the document should explain why they are treated so differently, because it is not at all obvious.

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wareid commented Aug 15, 2023

@dbooth-boston there's an open PR for this issue (PR #329 ), but the terms you mention do have linked definitions in the document.

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@wareid AFAICT "reverse-ims", "reverse racism", etc. are not defined in the document.

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