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>>Chris Law (Dundee West) (SNP): If she will
list her official engagements for Wednesday
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11 January.
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>>The Prime Minister (Mrs Theresa May): This
morning, I had meetings with ministerial colleagues
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and others. In addition to my duties in this
House, I shall have further such meetings
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later today.
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>>Chris Law: A very happy new year to you,
Mr Speaker, and I would like to extend that
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to everyone in this House.
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It has been more than six months since the
European referendum. Embarrassingly for the
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Prime Minister, the Scottish Government are
the only Administration on these islands to
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have published a plan on what to do next.
Has she read it yet? When will she be publishing
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her own plan?
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>>The Prime Minister: I join the hon. Gentleman
in wishing everybody in the House, not only
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Members, but all the staff of the House, a
very happy new year.
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As I said to the Liaison Committee when I
appeared in front of it before Christmas,
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I will, in a matter of weeks, be setting out
some more details of our proposals on this
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issue. I would like just to remind him, when
he talks about the Scottish Government’s
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plan, that of course it is his party, the
Scottish nationalist party, that wants to
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leave the United Kingdom and therefore leave
the European Union.
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>>Mark Menzies (Fylde) (Con): Westinghouse’s
Springfields site in my constituency employs
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more than 1,200 people in highly skilled jobs
manufacturing nuclear fuel, which generates
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15% of the UK’s electricity. Does my right
hon. Friend agree that the nuclear industry
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is of crucial importance to the north-west
economy? Will she continue to support the
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construction of a new generation of nuclear
power stations to guarantee jobs in the region?
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>>The Prime Minister: I certainly agree with
my hon. Friend that new nuclear does have
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a crucial role to play in securing our future
energy needs, especially as we are looking
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to move to a low-carbon society. The industrial
strategy that the Government will be setting
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out will have a strong emphasis on the role
of regions in supporting economic growth and
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ensuring that the economy works for everyone.
Like him, I very much welcome the proposals
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from NuGen and Toshiba to develop a new nuclear
power station at Moorside in Cumbria. The
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Department for Business, Energy and Industrial
Strategy continues to work closely with NuGen
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and other developers as they bring their proposals
forward.
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>>Mr Speaker: I call Jeremy Corbyn.
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[Hon. Members: “Hear, hear!”]
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>>Jeremy Corbyn (Islington North) (Lab): Thank
you, Mr Speaker. It is nice to get such a
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warm welcome, and may I wish all Members,
as well as all members of staff in the House,
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a happy new year?
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I hope the whole House will join me—I am
sure it will—in paying tribute to 22- year-old
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Lance Corporal Scott Hetherington, who died
in a “non-combat” incident in Iraq last
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Monday. I am sure the whole House will also
join in sending its heartfelt condolences
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to the family and friends of seven-year-old
Katie Rough, who tragically died in York earlier
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this week. I think it is right that we send
condolences to her family.
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Last week, 485 people in England spent more
than 12 hours on trolleys in hospital corridors.
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The Red Cross described this as a “humanitarian
crisis”. I called on the Prime Minister
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to come to Parliament on Monday, but she did
not—she sent the Health Secretary. But does
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she agree with him that the best way to solve
the crisis of the four-hour wait is to fiddle
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the figures so that people are not seen to
be waiting so long on trolleys in NHS hospitals?
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>>The Prime Minister: First, may I join the
right hon. Gentleman in sending our condolences
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to the family of Lance Corporal Hetherington,
who, as he said, died in a non-combat incident
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in Iraq? From everything I have seen and read
about Lance Corporal Hetherington, he was
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a very fine young man. He delighted in being
in the armed forces, and we are proud that
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such a fine young man was in our armed forces.
I also join the right hon. Gentleman in expressing
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condolences to the family and friends of little
Katie, who died so tragically.
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The right hon. Gentleman talks about the pressures
on the NHS, and we acknowledge that there
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are pressures on the National Health Service.
There are always extra pressures on the NHS
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during the winter but, of course, we have
at the moment those added pressures of the
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ageing population and the growing complex
needs of the population. He also refers to
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the British Red Cross’s term, “humanitarian
crisis.” I have to say to him that I think
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we have all seen humanitarian crises around
the world, and to use that description of
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a National Health Service that last year saw
2.5 million more people treated in accident
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and emergency than six years ago was irresponsible
and overblown.
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>>Jeremy Corbyn: Some 1.8 million people had
to wait longer than four hours in A&E
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departments last year. The Prime Minister
might not like what the Red Cross said, but
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on the same day the British Medical Association
said that
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“conditions in hospitals across the country
are reaching a dangerous level.”
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The Royal College of Nursing has said that
NHS conditions are the worst ever. The Royal
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College of Physicians has told the Prime Minister
that the NHS is
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“under-funded, under-doctored and overstretched.”
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If she will not listen to the Red Cross, who
will she listen to?
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>>The Prime Minister: I have said to the right
hon. Gentleman that I of course acknowledge
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that there are pressures on the National Health
Service. The Government have put extra funding
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into the National Health Service. The fact
is that we are seeing more people being treated
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in our NHS: 2,500 more people are treated
within four hours every day in the National
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Health Service because of the Government putting
in extra funding and because of the hard work
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of medical professionals in our National Health
Service. It is not just a question of targets
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for the health service, although we continue
to have a commitment to the four-hour target,
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as the Health Secretary has made clear. It
is a question of making sure that people are
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provided with the appropriate care for them,
and the best possible care for them in their
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circumstances.
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>>Jeremy Corbyn: The right hon. Lady seems
to be in some degree of denial about this.
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She will not listen to professional organisations
that have spent their whole lifetimes doing
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their best for the NHS, but will she listen
to Sian, who works for the NHS? She has a
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22-month old nephew. He went into hospital,
but there was no bed. He was treated on two
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plastic chairs pushed together with a blanket.
Sian says that
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“one of the nurses told my sister that it’s
always like this nowadays”.
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She says to us all:
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“Surely we should strive to do better than
this.”
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Do the Prime Minister and the Health Secretary
think that is an acceptable way to treat a
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22-month-old child in need of help?
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>>The Prime Minister: I accept that there
have been a small number of incidents in which
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unacceptable practices have taken place. We
do not want those things to happen, but what
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matters is how you deal with them, which is
why it is so important that the NHS looks
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into the issues when unacceptable incidents
have taken place and learns lessons from them.
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I come back to the point that I was making
earlier: the right hon. Gentleman talks about
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the hard-working healthcare professionals,
like Sian, in the National Health Service,
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and indeed we should be grateful for all those
who are working in the NHS, but on the Tuesday
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after Christmas we saw the busiest day ever
in the National Health Service, and over the
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few weeks around Christmas we saw the day
on which more people were treated in accident
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and emergency within four hours than ever
before. That is the reality of our National
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Health Service.
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>>Jeremy Corbyn: We all thank NHS staff and
we all praise NHS staff, but the Prime Minister’s
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Government are proposing, through sustainability
and transformation, to cut one third of the
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beds in all of our hospitals in the very near
future. On Monday, she spoke about mental
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health and doing more to help people, particularly
young people, with those conditions, which
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I welcome, except that last night the BBC
revealed that, over five years, there had
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been an 89% increase in young people with
mental health issues having to go to A&E
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departments. Does she not agree that the £1.25
billion committed to child and adolescent
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mental health in 2015 should have been ring-fenced
rather than used as a resource to be raided
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to plug other holes in other budgets in the
NHS?
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>>The Prime Minister: If we look at what is
happening with mental health treatment in
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the national health service, we see 1,400
more people every day accessing mental health
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services. When I spoke about this issue on
Monday, I said that there is of course more
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for us to do—this is not a problem that
will be resolved overnight. I have set out
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ways in which we will see an improvement in
the services in relation to mental health,
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but it is about the appropriate care for the
individual. As I mentioned earlier, that is
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not just about accident and emergency. When
I was in Aldershot on Monday, I spoke to service
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users with mental health problems who said
that they did not want to go to A&E. The provision
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of alternative services has meant that the
A&E locally has seen its numbers stabilising
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rather than going up. It is about the appropriate
care for the individual. We want to see that
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good practice spread across the whole country.
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>>Jeremy Corbyn: Nobody wants people with
mental health conditions to go to A&E departments—the
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A&E departments do not want them to go there.
Under this Government, there are 6,000 fewer
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nurses and 400 fewer doctors working in mental
health. It is obvious that these people will
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go somewhere to try to get help when they
are in a desperate situation. Our NHS is under
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huge pressure. Much of that is caused by cuts
to social care, which the Royal College of
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Physicians says
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“are pushing more people into our hospitals
and trapping them there for longer.”
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Will the Prime Minister do what my hon. Friend
the Member for Leicester South (Jonathan Ashworth)
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has called for and bring forward now the extra
£700 million allocated in 2019 and put it
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into social care so that we do not have this
problem of people staying too long in hospital
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when they should be cared for by a social
care system?
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>>The Prime Minister: The right hon. Gentleman
asked me those questions in the last PMQs
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before Christmas. [Interruption.] He may find
it difficult to believe that somebody will
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say the same thing that they said a few weeks
ago, but we have put extra money into social
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care. In the medium term, we are ensuring
that best practice is spread across the country.
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He talks about delayed discharges. Some local
authorities, which work with their health
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service locally, have virtually no delayed
discharges. Some 50%—half of the delayed
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discharges—are in only 24 local authority
areas. What does that tell us? It tells us
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that it is about not just funding, but best
practice. If he comes back to me and talks
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to me about funding again, he should think
on this: we can only fund social care and
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the NHS if we have a strong economy, and we
will only have that with the Conservatives.
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>>Jeremy Corbyn: I am sorry to have to bring
the Prime Minister back to the subject of
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social care, which I raised before Christmas.
The reason I did so, and will continue to
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do so, is that she has not addressed the problem.
The Government have cut £4.6 billion from
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the social care budget. The King’s Fund
says that there is a social care funding gap
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of almost £2 billion this year.
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Earlier this week, the Prime Minister said
that she wanted to create a “shared society”.
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Well, we certainly have that: more people
sharing hospital corridors on trolleys; more
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people sharing waiting areas in A&E departments;
and more people sharing in the anxiety created
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by this Government. Our NHS is in crisis,
but the Prime Minister is in denial. May I
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suggest to her that, on the economic question,
she should cancel the corporate tax cuts,
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and spend the money where it is needed—on
people in desperate need in social care and
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in our hospitals?
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>>The Prime Minister: The right hon. Gentleman
talks about a crisis. I suggest he listens
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to the right hon. Member for Don Valley (Caroline
Flint), a former Labour Health Minister, who
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said that, with Labour,
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“It’s always about ‘crisis...the NHS
is on its knees’… We’ve got to be a
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bit more grown up about this.”
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And he talks to me about restoring the cuts
in corporation tax. The Labour party has already
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spent that money eight times. The last thing
the NHS needs is a cheque from Labour that
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bounces. The only way that we can ensure that
we have funding for the national health service
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is with a strong economy. Yesterday, the right
hon. Gentleman proved that he is not only
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incompetent, but that he would destroy our
economy, and that would devastate our national
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health service.
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>>Mrs Maria Miller (Basingstoke) (Con): Cyber-bullying,
sexting and revenge pornography are part of
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British teenage life today; so is a rapid
increase in mental health problems among our
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teenagers. How is the Prime Minister helping
to tackle the pressures that teenagers face
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in Britain today?
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>>The Prime Minister: My right hon. Friend
raises an important point. One of the things
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I spoke about, when I spoke about mental health
on Monday, was trying to ensure that we can
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provide some better training for staff and
teachers in schools to identify the early
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stages of mental health problems for young
people, so that those problems can be addressed.
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Something like half of all mental health problems
start before the age of 14, so this is a real
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issue that we need to address. We are going
to look at how we can provide that training.
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We will also review the mental health services
provided for young people to ensure that we
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can identify what is working and make sure
that good practice is spread across the country.
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>>Angus Robertson (Moray) (SNP): May I begin
with a tribute to Father George Thompson,
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who died shortly before Christmas? He led
a remarkable life as a teacher, as a priest
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and as the Scottish National party Member
of Parliament for Galloway. We extend our
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sympathies to his family.
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All of us in this House and across these islands
care about the peace process and about the
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democratic institutions in Northern Ireland,
so may I wish the Prime Minister well and
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the Taoiseach, the Northern Ireland Secretary
and the political parties all the best in
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trying to resolve the serious political difficulties
there? Will the Prime Minister tell us what
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the consequences will be if no agreement can
be found?
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>>The Prime Minister: First, may I join the
right hon. Gentleman in offering condolences
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to the family and friends of the Rev. George
Thompson, who, as he says, was the MP for
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Galloway between 1974 and 1979 and, I believe,
was the first former MP in modern times to
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be ordained a Roman Catholic priest.
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On the issue that the right hon. Gentleman
raises about the political situation in Northern
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Ireland, we are obviously treating this with
the utmost seriousness. As he will know, my
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right hon. Friend the Northern Ireland Secretary
made a statement in the House earlier this
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week on this issue. He has spoken to the First
Minister and the former Deputy First Minister,
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and he is urging all parties to work together
to find a way forward. I have also spoken
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to the Taoiseach about this issue, so we are
putting every effort into this. The legislation
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says that if, within seven days, we do not
have a nomination for a Deputy First Minister,
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the matter would go to an election.
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>>Angus Robertson: The Prime Minister has
indicated that she wants to take the views
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of the elected representatives and the devolved
institutions on Brexit seriously. So it stands
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to reason then that if there is no Northern
Ireland Assembly and no Northern Ireland Executive
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for much of the time before the March timetable
that she has set for invoking article 50,
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she will be unable to consult properly, to
discuss fully and to find agreement on the
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complex issues during this period. In these
circumstances, will the Prime Minister postpone
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invoking article 50—[Interruption]—or
will she just plough on regardless?
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>>The Prime Minister: As the right hon. Gentleman
says, we want to ensure that we do hear the
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views from all parts of the United Kingdom.