Apple App Store options #3139
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I would pay. About $2-5 feels right. |
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I agree with that range (as a 1-off initial fee). To cover the $99 USD Developer annual membership fee, with a $2 USD app (with Apple's 15% cut) would mean 37 new sales would be needed every year to cover the hard cost. At $5 USD, it's 24 sales (~2 a month). My initial guess is that there isn't that much interest from Safari users to cover this (maybe in the first year..., maybe). |
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First up thanks for raising this and taking it further!
Google Analytics was removed at the end of 2020 so we really won't be able to know.
Ideally we would have one that is managed by the maintainers but could probably leverage an existing one. Does Apple waver the cost for open source (free) software?
Personally I think the extension should be free. I'm starting to think that migrating from https://ko-fi.com to https://opencollective.com/ would be better for the community to make it clear how things are spent and more more community driven way for budgeting for these sorts of expenses if needed. Some other questions from my side. Long term having it automatically publish would be amazing - like what we do have for Firefox and Chrome. I couldn't see any GitHub actions around this but are you are of any tooling for this that could be wrapped and run on GitHub Actions? We have the same issue with Edge which often leads to that being a few versions behind due to the other maintainer's busy schedule for a similar reason. |
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Safari (the browser) would never be there....as the extension didn't run in Safari (until now).... But if you show the "Operating System" stats (link at the top of your screenshot) - we'd get a bit of an indication of some of the potential users (obviously many of macOS users don't use Safari, but it's a "maximum" idea to form a guess on the potential usage). Also it would be helpful to know the time period of any stats that you can share. |
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Ahh true 🙈 10% of the users are using MacOS it seems, but this data is really outdated based on non-updated extensions. |
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It's higher than I thought. What time period is this? Could you get a 1 year sample from before GA was removed? Also if you have Analytics of the website for actual Safari (and iOS) counts - this would also be a good indicator. |
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One year view is like 5% MacOS
We don't run any analytics on the main website. |
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Thank you very for that.... I'd say, conservatively that less than half of that would be using Safari. So for me, it wouldn't be worth the time of doing the CD and less value in doing a 1-time App Store distribution. ALSO; most of the mods made to get it working in Safari are due to Apple's different interpretation/implementation of the specs compared to the other web rendering engines & IMO Apple seems to be giving WebKit a lot of fresh love and I'm guessing/hoping much of these issues will be resolved soon - then time "could" be invested in [possibly] building a build+distribution pipeline. |
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To test the waters you might also post this on the Last.fm subreddit and on the support forum in the API section of course, maybe also on the inofficial Discord server for Last.fm in the channel for scripts and tools where other developers are present, not only bot developers: https://www.reddit.com/r/lastfm/ By the way, if the Safari extension would also work on iOS, are you sure that the usual iOS restrictions for third-party apps accessing third-party sites like Last.fm would not block scrobbling e.g. YouTube in iOS Safari? That is one of the most requested features related to iOS scrobbling, as far as I can tell, as Spotify and Apple Music can already be scrobbled with iOS devices. |
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I don’t think the restrictions on third party sites would necessarily be a problem -- there are already 3rd party music players (e.g. Marvis) that can scrobble. |
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From what I can see; Marvis is it's own .app, not a Safari Extension, so that's not the same. @hans-juergen What's the "YouTube in Safari" issue? I'm not aware of it. YouTube works for me in Safari... is there a limitation when it's embedded within another website (I might have experienced this on Twitter)? |
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@dw808303 Scrobbling in a standalone player app yes, but not with external scrobbling apps in iOS to external sites. All iOS player apps that can scrobble do this internally, also Marvis Pro and Vox, another player for macOS and iOS, also for Windows, as far as I know. But external iOS scrobbling apps like EaveScrob, QuietScrob or the official Last.fm iOS app can only scrobble local music files and Apple Music, but not other streaming sites. @mountainash I hope I could make it clearer what I think the issue could be with YouTube scrobbling in Safari on iOS which may be different with Safari on macOS. As I don't use any of this myself, I can only collect user reports which I read on forums and try to figure out what the possible problems might be. |
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OK there's 2 very different forms of scrobbling (well actually, music playing detection being talked about here) - which you've attempted to describe. "Scrobbling" is the submission of the detected music to a "scrobbler". The thing to remember is that this project "Web Scrobbler" is only a browser extension/plugin (full stop). It doesn't have access to the local file system, audio sources, or other Apps - it will only capture what's playing inside the browser. With that clarified; the Safari extension (both iOS and MacOS) would only be able to scrobbler YouTube1 when played within the browser (not a separate Native App installed on the device). Could you please reword "are you sure that the usual restrictions for third-party apps accessing third-party sites like Last.fm would not block scrobbling e.g. YouTube in Safari?" as the "eg" doesn't match the question. Footnotes
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Ok - I have a bundled version working well enough to distribute now - how would people like it?
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Awesome work! How much customisation was needed? |
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The biggest issue seems to be with Safari not returning a promise for the There's some other small mods, but I'll raise PR's for them now as they shouldn't effect the other builds. |
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@mountainash Does this live somewhere that I could pull and build to play around with now? |
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Not at the moment. Due to lack of interest/feedback from Web Scrobber users, I didn't bother putting anything public (for fear of having to maintain it - and Safari is under rapid development again, so I hope 🤞🏼 that they'll make some changes that will allow the Firefox or Chrome builds to be used). I have a version working locally for a few months now - if you're interested I could do a diff of the changes (but it's based on the Firefox build output [not on the Web Scrobbler source])? |
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That's too bad! I've personally been wanting it for some time ... I'm always listening in Safari and then realizing I need to open in another browser to track.
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As per #1908 I've been working on getting WebScrobbler working in Safari - I'm probably pretty close to getting it working for me (hackie code and self-compiled, unsigned install) - but I was interested to know if there's much interest (from the community/users) beyond this? It would take a bit of work to get it buildable in the existing pipeline. It would also require a [paid] Apple Developer account to distribute in the App Store. The extension could also run on iOS (& iPadOS).
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The debate/answers around these questions will help me determine if it's worth investing my time into this further.
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