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<session.header>
<date>1910-08-09</date>
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<chamber>REPS</chamber>
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<para class="block">House ofRepresentatives. </para>
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<day.start>1910-08-09</day.start>
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<inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Speaker</inline>took the chair at 3 p.m., and read prayers. </para>
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<debate>
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<title>SUPPLY BILL (No. 2)</title>
<page.no>1225</page.no>
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<inline font-weight="bold">Mr. SPEAKER</inline>reported the receipt of a message recommending an appropriation for the purposes of this Bill. </para>
<para class="block">Referred to Committee of Supply. </para>
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<debate>
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<title>CONSTITUTION ALTERATION (STATE DEBTS)</title>
<page.no>1225</page.no>
<type>miscellaneous</type>
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<para>Assent reported. </para>
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<debate>
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<title>TRUST FUND ADVANCES BILL</title>
<page.no>1225</page.no>
<type>bill</type>
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<para>Assent reported. </para>
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<debate>
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<title>PAPERS</title>
<page.no>1225</page.no>
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<para>MINISTERS laid upon the table the following papers : - </para>
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<para>Postmaster-General's Department - General Post Office, Sydney - Hours worked by Officers in the Delivery and Despatch Rooms. </para>
<para>Papua - Ordinances of1910- </para>
<para>No.2 - Supplementary Appropriation 1909-10, No. 5. </para>
<para>No. 3 - Deputy Chief Judicial Officer. </para>
<para>No. 4 - Mining Ordinance Amendment. </para>
<para>Public Service Act - Papers relating to the appointment of F. J. Quinlan as Chief Cleric, Department of External Affairs. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
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<title>NEW CABLE SERVICE</title>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
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<para>Mr.W. ELLIOT JOHNSON.- I ask the Minister of External Affairs if he has read the following paragraph, which appeared in the <inline font-style="italic">Standard of Empire</inline> under the heading, " Australia's New Cable Service": </para>
<quote>
<para>A private cable message received in London this week from <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. T.</inline> Temperley (one of the Australian delegates to last year's Imperial Press Conference), states that the Commonwealth Government has definitely announced its decision to granta subsidy of £6,000, extended over three years, to the recently created Independent Press Cable Association of Australia. The subsidy is expected to begin from next month, and is intended to stimulate the cable service of news published mainly in the organs of the Labour party, and in various rural newspapers. Complaints had been made that the existing cable news service did not cater sufficiently to Labour interests. <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Temperley</inline> is the managing director of the Independent Association. </para>
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<para>Are the statements which I have read true, and, if so, does the Minister think that it is proper that the taxpayers' money should be utilized for the purposes of party propaganda ? </para>
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<page.no>1226</page.no>
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<name.id>JOC</name.id>
<electorate>BOOTHBY, SOUTH AUSTRALIA</electorate>
<party>ALP</party>
<role>Minister for External Affairs</role>
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<name role="metadata">BATCHELOR, Egerton</name>
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<para>- In replying to the question I do not intend to discuss the point raised by the honorable member ; I merely say that the Government, as has been already announced, has determined to submit to Parliament proposals for a subsidy whose nature is not accurately stated in the paragraph which has been read. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
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<title>RETURNING OFFICERS</title>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
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<talker>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JWO</name.id>
<electorate>COOK, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">CATTS, James</name>
<name role="display">Mr J H CATTS</name>
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<para>- I wish to know from the Minister of Home Affairs why it is that some of the returning officers who acted at the last election have not yet been paid? </para>
</talk.start>
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<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>K5D</name.id>
<electorate>DARWIN, TASMANIA</electorate>
<party>ALP</party>
<role>Minister for Home Affairs</role>
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">O'MALLEY, King</name>
<name role="display">Mr KING O'MALLEY</name>
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<para>- I am not aware that any of them have not been paid, but I shall look into the matter. </para>
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</debate>
<debate>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
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<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>CLERKS' INCREMENTS</title>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L4X</name.id>
<electorate>INDI, VICTORIA</electorate>
<party>ALP</party>
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<in.gov>0</in.gov>
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<name role="metadata">MOLONEY, Parker</name>
<name role="display">Mr PARKER MOLONEY</name>
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<para>asked the </para>
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<para>Prime Minister, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
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<para>Is it the intention of the Government, as was the custom under the Victorian Public Service Act 773, to pay annual increments to clerks in the 3rd and 4th classes of the clerical division nf the Service, provided that the conduct and efficiency of such officers have been satisfactory during the preceding twelve months, and that the officers are recommended for increments by the head of their Department? </para>
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<para>Does the Prime Minister interpret section 22 of the Commonwealth Public Service Act 1902 as meaning that - </para>
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<para>increments to 3rd and 4th class clerks are (dependent on good conduct and efficiency) payable annually? or </para>
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<para>it is required by sub-section (2) of the section quoted that reasons other than good conduct and efficiency must exist to entitle officers to increments annually? </para>
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<para>Is thereany reason why the policy of the Public Service Commissioner should not be in accordance with (a) in the preceding question </para>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4N</name.id>
<electorate>WIDE BAY, QUEENSLAND</electorate>
<party>ALP</party>
<role>Prime Minister</role>
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">FISHER, Andrew</name>
<name role="display">Mr FISHER</name>
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<para>- The Public Service Commissioner states - </para>
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<para>No; the Commonwealth Public Service Act does not provide such procedure. Act 773 was repealed by the State Government, and substituted by an amending Act. 2. (a) and <inline font-style="italic">(b).</inline> The Act does not provide that increments to officers of the fourth and higher classes shall be cither automatic or annual. </para>
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<para>Yes; the policy of the Commonwealth is that increments in the higher divisions are only payable when the efficiency of the officer and the value of the work warrant it. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
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<subdebate.1>
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<title>POSTMASTER-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT</title>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
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<para>Mr Chalmers Post Office - Uniform Postage</para>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KHE</name.id>
<electorate>CAPRICORNIA, QUEENSLAND</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
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<name role="metadata">HIGGS, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr HIGGS</name>
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<para>asked the PostmasterGeneral, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
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<item label="1.">
<para>Whether he has received a petition signed by 212 residents of <inline font-weight="bold">Mr Chalmers,</inline> Queensland, strongly objecting to any alteration being made in the site for the proposed local semi-official post and telegraph office, as originally selected by the petitioners, and approved by a Departmental officer in Rockhampton? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>Will the Minister cause an official inquiry to be made intoall the facts, and report the result to the petitioners? </para>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>K8L</name.id>
<electorate>BARRIER, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party>ALP</party>
<role>Postmaster-General</role>
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">THOMAS, Josiah</name>
<name role="display">Mr THOMAS</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable <inline font-style="italic">member's</inline> questions are these - </para>
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<item label="1.">
<para>Yes. </para>
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<para>Instructions have already been given for a Departmental officer to be sent to investigate the matter on the spot. </para>
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<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L0P</name.id>
<electorate>for Mr. Sinclair</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">SAMPSON, Sydney</name>
<name role="display">Mr SAMPSON</name>
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<para>asked the Postmaster-General, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>Whether, in view of the fact that the States are now practically being paid under theper <inline font-style="italic">capita</inline> system, it is his intention to introduce, at an early date, legislation to provide for a uni form postage rate throughout Australia?- </para>
</quote>
<continue>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>K8L</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
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<name role="metadata">THOMAS, Josiah</name>
<name role="display">Mr THOMAS</name>
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<para>- It is hoped that a Bill to provide for uniform postage rates throughout the Commonwealth will be introduced during this session. </para>
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</continue>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>AUSTRALIAN NOTES BILL</title>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
<type>bill</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>Second Reading</title>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1226</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4N</name.id>
<electorate>Wide Bay</electorate>
<party>ALP</party>
<role>Treasurer</role>
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">FISHER, Andrew</name>
<name role="display">Mr FISHER</name>
</talker>
<para>.-I move - </para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>That this Bill bc now read a second time. </para>
</quote>
<para>The legislative powers of the Parliament are stated briefly in the thirty-nine articles contained in the sub-divisions of section 51 of the Constitution. Let me read the words of the section covering the legislation which I have introduced. They are these - </para>
<quote>
<para>The Parliament shall, subject to the Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to - (xii.) Currency, coinage, and legal tender; (xiii.) Banking, other than State banking; also State banking extending beyond the limits of the State concerned, the incorporation of banks, and the issue of paper money. </para>
</quote>
<para class="block">In the reports of the debates of the Convention there is little to show why these provisions were put into the draft Constitution Bill. </para>
<interjection>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1227</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>009MD</name.id>
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<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
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<name role="metadata">DEAKIN, Alfred</name>
<name role="display">Mr Deakin</name>
</talker>
<para>- They were prepared by the Constitutional Committee, and accepted on its recommendation. The discussions of the Committee were not reported. </para>
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</interjection>
<continue>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1227</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4N</name.id>
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<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">FISHER, Andrew</name>
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<para>- I find a slight variation from the position indicated by the honorable member for Ballarat, who was a member of the Federal Convention. This proposal was not in the original Constitution Bill, so far as I can discover, but was inserted on the recommendation of the Legislative Assemblies of New South Wales and Victoria and the Legislative Councils of South Australia and Tasmania. It. will be seen that there was not a monopoly of wisdom in what were called the ultra-Radical sections of the Parliaments of the States, nor in what were designated the ultraConservative sections. At any rate, so far as the legislative powers of this Parliament on the question are concerned, it will be admitted that they are not in doubt. </para>
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<para>- The proposal relating to currency, coinage, and legal tender was in the Constitution Bill of 1891. </para>
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<para>- The issue of paper money was, I think, suggested by the Chambers I have mentioned, and banking was also included. - <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Deakin.</inline> - I am not sure that ' ' legal tender" does not cover the ground. </para>
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<para>- I am inclined to think that it does. It is rather singular that this important matter did not evoke considerable discussion in the Convention ; and my point is that it seemed to be understood by all the members of those Conventions- </para>
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<para>- Paper money was also provided for in the Constitution Bill of 1891. </para>
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<para>- But not in the draft Bill submitted to the people. </para>
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<para>- "Currency" in the American Constitution covers the whole - even legal tender. </para>
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<para>- That is true. I do not desire to say more on this aspect of the question, except that the principle of this Bill appears to have been accepted all round in the Convention without any discussion. 1 admit quite freely that this meant giving to this Parliament the power to legislate on its own account, or to delegate powers to private persons, as thought fit. </para>
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<para>- The absence of discussion might mean that the Convention did not attach much importance to the matter. </para>
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<para>- Or probably that it appeared to be so obviously a Federal matter. </para>
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<para>- It will tend to the peace of mind of a great number of worthy citizens of the Commonwealth when it is found that members of the Opposition agree with me that the principle was admitted by every one when the Constitution was before the people, and that the Convention, in its wisdom, contemplated this Parliament taking early action in the matter. I am now answering what has been said in the press, on one side and the other, regarding this proposal, and showing that when the Constitution was under consideration it was accepted as a sound principle, with the expectation that this Parliament would legislate. It will be admitted, therefore, not only that this Bill is unassailable from a constitutional point of view, but that the framers of the Constitution expected this Parliament "to take even earlier action than is now being taken. I shall not attempt te argue the principle of the Bill. I venture to say that the discussion in the press has been of such a character as to show that those who are maintaining the soundness of this measure, have totally annihilated the arguments of their opponents. Very briefly I should like to say that the main principle of the Bill is this - It is a measure to authorize the Commonwealth Government to take all steps necessary to provide, as part of the currency of the Commonwealth and its territories, Australian notes of particular denominations, and if the public demand these notes, to supply them. </para>
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<para>- But it is proposed to make the banks take the notes, whether they desire to do so or not. </para>
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<para>- That is quite an error.- </para>
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<para>- What about clause rr. - I think it is? </para>
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<para>- As regards the banks, and the ,£25- </para>
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<para>- I must ask the Treasurer not to go into the details of the measure. </para>
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<para>- The principle of the Bill is practically embodied in . the statement that if any person or corporation desires to have Commonwealth notes, application will have to be made at the Treasury, and a deposit made in gold of their face value. </para>
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<para>- Will not the Government pay some of its obligations in notes, without being asked for them? </para>
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<para>- Not necessarily. </para>
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<para>- " Not necessarily ! " </para>
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<para>- Is it contemplated ? </para>
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<para>- Subject to the point raised by the honorable member for Ballarat about clause n, the principle is that only those who apply for the notes at the Treasury will be supplied with them. </para>
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<para>- Will the notes be used in payment of Commonwealth contracts? </para>
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<para>- Not necessarily ; that is not the desire of the Government. </para>
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<para>- It is left to the option of the people? </para>
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<para>- The notes will go automatically into circulation at the desire of individuals, or for the convenience of monetary institutions. </para>
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<para>- Actuated by a desire to save the tax of 10 per cent. ! </para>
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<para>- The notes will go into circulation on being applied for at the Commonwealth Treasury, and gold to their face value being deposited, with the safeguard that, as soon as any inconvenience is felt, those holding the notes may be relieved by returning them to the Treasury, where they will receive gold for them. </para>
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<para>- That is only in one State, I understand. </para>
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<para>- It is absolutely necessary, under ordinary circumstances, that payment for notes should be made only at the Treasury, at the seat of Government. This is no departure from the practice of banks, or the method adopted in the case of the Queensland State issue, and a number of other State issues of the kind. I </para>
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<para>Should not like. to bind myself to the statement that there could not be convenient depots at times to meet the convenience of persons engaged in banking and trade, but the actual place for payment on demand will be at the Commonwealth Treasury, at the seat of Government. That, however, is a matter for consideration at the Committee stage; my only desire now is to deal with the main principle of the Bill. The question of making the notes legal tender throughout the Commonwealth has been raised. The same principle prevails in Queensland, and I venture to say in a number of other countries which I need not enumerate, and is a perfectly sound one to apply to the Commonwealth issue. I am confident that it will cause no embarassment whatever. When the Bill was before the Queensland Parliament, <inline font-weight="bold">Sir Hugh</inline> Nelson, the then Treasurer, laid down the same principle of legal tender, and I asked him whether it would not be a very great inconvenience to a person at Thargomindah or Camooweal, who was leaving Queensland for South Australia or the Northern Territory, to hold a Queensland note which was not redeemable in gold except at Brisbane. His reply was, I think, complete - that every self-respecting banking institution would undoubtedly exchange that note for any other medium of exchange more convenient to the holder, without charging discount. While that might have been a danger so far as the State note issue was concerned, it hardly applies to a Commonwealth issue, because within the Commonwealth there can be no boundary lines so far as our notes are concerned. The Australian notes will be legal tender in every part of Australia, and therefore the only places where actual coin would be required for them would be at the sea-board ; but at every shipping port there are undoubtedly banking and other financial institutions, as well as business places, which will be very glad to oblige any "citizens who desire to convert. their paper into coin. </para>
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<para>- Would the Prime Minister think it unfair for a bank in Queensland to require 6d. exchange when asked to give gold for a note payable only in Melbourne? </para>
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<para>- I should". On that point it would not be out of place to remind honorable members that the actual bank notes in circulation between State and State were at a discount prior to the delivery by me of an address in Gympie, in which I stated that a proposition of this kind would be part of the policy of the last Labour Government. Whether it was a coincidence or not, I am not here to say, but within two months after the delivery of that speech the Associated Banks of the Commonwealth came to the conclusion that their notes should be interchangeable at their face value at the principal banking institutions of the chief cities in the various States. After all, that proposition is not so good as the one we are submitting to the people. Our proposal is that the Australian note should be legal tender in every part of the Commonwealth, and it will not be necessary to search out a particular bank - or any bank at all for that matter - to get its absolute legal equivalent in coin. In that respect, therefore, our proposition is superior to anything that can be done by any private banking institution, or the whole lot of them combined, or by any State, or indeed by the whole of the States combined, because this Parliament is the only body that has the power to direct that throughout the Commonwealth the whole of its currency shall be respected and be legal tender. </para>
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<para>- Is this to be legal tender in addition to existing legal tender in the Coinage Act ? </para>
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<para>- Yes. This measure deals with currency only. It is not proposed in it to deal with banking. The time with come when that large question will have <inline font-style="italic">to</inline> be dealt with by this Parliament in a broad and general way. In the meantime, the view of the Government is that it is not only advisable and proper, but also safest, to- deal in the first instance with the currency. </para>
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<para>- I suppose we maytake it that this Bill is part of the larger question ? </para>
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<para>- This Bill deals entirely with the currency. May I remind honorable members that this party heartily supported the previous Government when they brought in a proposal that the Common- ' wealth should have a, silver coinage of its own? The intrinsic value of the actual silver in the present Commonwealth coinage does not represent more than 8s. in the pound. The coinage is legal tender up to a certain amount, but its intrinsic value is not equal to the actual face value. The Commonwealth has, therefore, backed its silver coinage and is prepared to pay gold for its face value. </para>
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<para>- But it is legal tender only up to <inline font-style="italic">£2</inline> worth - a very different thing. </para>
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