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<date>1920-08-31</date>
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<chamber>REPS</chamber>
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<para class="block">House of Representatives. </para>
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<day.start>1920-08-31</day.start>
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<inline font-weight="bold">Mr.</inline>Speaker ((Hon. <inline font-weight="bold">Sir Elliot</inline> Johnson) took ihe chair at 3 p.m., and read prayers. </para>
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<title>PAPERS</title>
<page.no>3957</page.no>
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<para>The following papers were presented : - </para>
<para>Aerial Navigation - Convention for the Regulation of - Signed at Paris, 1 13th October, 10in. </para>
<para>North-Western Australia - Report by , <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. George</inline> A. Hobler of tour of inspection of. </para>
<para>Ordered to be printed. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<title>SUPPLY OF COAL</title>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<electorate>HINDMARSH, SOUTH AUSTRALIA</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">MAKIN, Norman</name>
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<para>-I ask the Treasurer whether the attention of the Government has been drawn toa statement made by <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. J.</inline> Entwistle at a recent meeting of the South Australian Gas Company. He is reported to have said that - </para>
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<quote>
<para>They bad heard a lot about supporting Australian industries, but he had been informed the other day that a certain well-known South Australian business institution, which controlled one of the big collieries in New South Wales, had practically sold the whole of their output to Japan, and that the shipment was so immense that the smoke of one steamer was not lost sight of by the second, and so on. </para>
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<para class="block">Is the Government aware of the circumstances referred to, and, if so, what action, if any, does it intend to take to conserve coal for the industries of Australia, which during recent months have been lacking supplies? </para>
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<para>- I was not aware of the facts stated; one usually has to go outside for statements of this kind. I do not pay much credence to the report. We are doing the best we can in the circumstances, and 30,000 tons of coal is on its way to Victoria. I hope that what is now happening will not be interrupted, because if the present supply continues the coal situation will soon be eased very materially. </para>
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<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">FENTON, James</name>
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<para>- Does your agent see that preference is given to Inter-State loading? </para>
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<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<name.id>F4S</name.id>
<electorate>PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">COOK, Joseph</name>
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<para>- The purpose of his appointment is to see that overseas trade doesnot unduly interfere with trade between the States. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
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<title>WHEAT POOLS</title>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">GREGORY, Henry</name>
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<para>- Will the Government take the earliest opportunity to give us definite information as to when we may hope for the settlement of the earlier Wheat Pools, and as to the arrangements that are being made in regard to this sea son's wheat? </para>
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<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">COOK, Joseph</name>
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<para>-Yes, certainly. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<title>WIRELESS TELEPHONY</title>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">FENTON, James</name>
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<para>- Are the officers of the </para>
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<para>Postmaster-General making exhaustive inquiries about the possibilities of wireless telephony in Australia ; if not will the honorable member have inquiries made on the subject, so that Australia may receive the earliest possible benefit from the discovery? </para>
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<talker>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L1P</name.id>
<electorate>GIPPSLAND, VICTORIA</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">WISE, George</name>
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<para>- The control of wireless has not been completely taken over by my Department yet, but when it has been, an investigation of wireless telephony will be one of the first things undertaken. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
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<title>WOOL POOL</title>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<name.id>KFC</name.id>
<electorate>ROBERTSON, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">FLEMING, William</name>
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<para>- Is the Government yet in a position to make a statement about the dividends from the Wool Pool ? </para>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<name.id>F4S</name.id>
<electorate>PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<role>Treasurer</role>
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<name role="metadata">COOK, Joseph</name>
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<para>- I believe that the Prime Minister will make a statement on the subject hi the course of the day; I hope that he will, because I want) the wool-growers to know what they are going to receive, so that they may put some of the money into the Peace Loan. </para>
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<debate>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
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<subdebate.1>
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<title>PACIFIC ISLANDS MANDATE</title>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L0H</name.id>
<electorate>WEST SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">RYAN, Thomas</name>
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<para>- I ask the Treasurer whether the mandate for the government of the Pacific Islands has yet been received ? </para>
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</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4S</name.id>
<electorate>PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party>FT; ANTI-SOC from 1906; LP from 1910; NAT from 1917</party>
<role>Treasurer</role>
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<name role="metadata">COOK, Joseph</name>
<name role="display">Sir JOSEPH COOK</name>
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<para>- No. </para>
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<debate>
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<title>HOURS OF MEETING</title>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
<type>miscellaneous</type>
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<speech>
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<talker>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4S</name.id>
<electorate>PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">COOK, Joseph</name>
<name role="display">Sir JOSEPH COOK</name>
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<para>. -(By <inline font-style="italic">leave.)</inline> - I move - </para>
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<quote>
<para>That unless otherwise ordered the House shall meet on each Tuesday at 3 o'clock p.m., on each Wednesday at 2.30 p.m., on each Thursday at11 o'clock a.m., and on each Friday at 11 o'clock a.m. </para>
</quote>
<para class="block">The list of measures to be considered is lengthening, and we must increase the time available for their consideration. </para>
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<talker>
<page.no>3958</page.no>
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<name.id>KWL</name.id>
<electorate>Yam</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">TUDOR, Frank</name>
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<para>. - I object to the proposal to meet on Thursday morningsat 11 a.m., because it is too much to ask a member to sit in this chamber for practically twelve hours continuously. The Treasurer and I have seen the bodies of members carried from this building, and I believe that the long sittings of the past are the reason why so many men in parliamentary life have broken down. A member who takes his work seriously, as every member should, and attends conscientiously to his parliamentary duties, has to remain here for many hours at a stretch, and if we are required to come early on Thursdays, breakdowns will be more frequent in the future than they have been in the past. I say frankly that I do not intend to take as much upon myself as Ihave done. </para>
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<para>Mr.Richard Foster. - You deserve a rest. </para>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3959</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">TUDOR, Frank</name>
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<para>- I am going to take things more easily;because I do not wish to break down before my time. But I do not think that the long hours proposed for Thursday sittings are fair to members generally. Recently the Standing Orders were amended in such a way as to empower the Government to fix the time for the bringing of a measure to completion. When the alteration was proposed, it was said that there would be no all night sittings after it had been made. But there was anall night, sitting on the first occasion on which the new rule was brought into operation. Similarly to meet at 11 on Thursdays will not preventall night sittings. </para>
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<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3959</page.no>
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<electorate>Fawkner</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">MAXWELL, George</name>
<name role="display">Mr MAXWELL</name>
</talker>
<para>.- I agree with the views ex-pressed by the Leader of the Opposition <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Tudor).</inline> A large number of important measures await our attention, and if they are to be discussed intelligently, their examination will involve a considerable amount of time apart from the sittings of the House. We should have more time than we have for that purpose. I, therefore, intend to oppose the motion, in so far as it provides for the House meeting on Thursday mornings. </para>
</talk.start>
<para>Question resolved in the affirmative. </para>
</speech>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>3959</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>COMMONWEALTH FACTORIES</title>
<page.no>3959</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<para>Control and Increase of Salaries</para>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3959</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KEV</name.id>
<electorate>for Dr. Maloney</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">FENTON, James</name>
<name role="display">Mr FENTON</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Minister representing the Minister for Defence, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>What are the reasons for changing the control of the salaries of the Managers and Assistant Managers of the Commonwealth Government Clothing Factory, Harness Factory, and Woollen Cloth Factory by the New Regulation 1920, Statutory RuleNo. 96? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>Will the Minister give a list of all officers whose salaries he has the right of increasing? </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>Are such increases made by the Minister subject to veto by an authority; and, if so, by whom ? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3959</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L0I</name.id>
<electorate>NORTH SYDNEY, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party>NAT</party>
<role>Assistant Minister for Defence</role>
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">RYRIE, Granville</name>
<name role="display">Sir GRANVILLE RYRIE</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member's questions are as follow: - </para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>The salaries of the Managers of the Factories mentioned were previously based on the salaries paid to officers of the Professional Division; but objection having been taken by the Treasury to these officers being graded in the Professional Division, their salaries have to be fixed by the Minister from time to time. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>
<inline font-weight="bold">Mr. H.</inline>A. Slade, Manager, Government Clothing Factory; <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. G.</inline> E. Crowe, Manager, Government Harness Factory; <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. J.</inline> Robertson, Manager, Government Woollen Mills. </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>Yes; by Parliament. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>3959</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>DEFENCE TWEED</title>
<page.no>3959</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<para>Allocation to Tasmania: Increase of Price</para>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3959</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KJM</name.id>
<electorate>BASS, TASMANIA</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">JACKSON, David</name>
<name role="display">Mr JACKSON</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Minister representing the Minister for Defence, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Has an allocation been made to Tasmania of Defence cloth which is now being sold in suit lengths in Melbourne at 15s. per yard? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>If so, what quantity, and when will it be available? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3959</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L0I</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">RYRIE, Granville</name>
<name role="display">Sir GRANVILLE RYRIE</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member's questions are as follow: - </para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>It is intended to make available to the public in all States a quantity of the cloth referred to. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>Every State will receive its due proportion of the quantity available, taking into consideration population and climatic conditions. The (late when sales will start in Tasmania cannot be definitely stated, but the necessary arrangements will be made as soon as possible. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3959</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L1J</name.id>
<electorate>CORIO, VICTORIA</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">LISTER, John</name>
<name role="display">Mr LISTER</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Minister representing the Minister for Defence, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Whether the statement published that it is the intention of the Defence Department to increase the price of "Defence Tweeds" is correct? , </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>If so. has the Minister seen a paragraph in the Melbourne <inline font-style="italic">Herald,</inline> of 24th August, 1920, in which it is alleged that a protest was made by a branch of the Returned Soldiers League, who,in " demanding an inquiry into the matter," resolved to handle no more material until the result of such inquiry was announced? </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>Will the Minister make a statement setting out the reasons for increasing the cost; and if any inquiry as desired was made, what are the results of such inquiry! </para>
</item>
</list>
<continue>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3959</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L0I</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">RYRIE, Granville</name>
<name role="display">Sir GRANVILLE RYRIE</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member's questions are as follow : - </para>
</talk.start>
</continue>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Yes. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>The paragraph referred to has been brought under the notice of the Minister. </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>When the contract between the Department and the Returned Sailors and Soldiers Imperial League of Australia was entered into, wool was obtainable from the Wool Pool for local consumption at appraised rates; but provision was made in the contract that, if the price of wool altered, the price of the tweed would be increased to cover any increase in the cost of manufacture due to such alteration in the price of wool. In view of the fact that the Central Wool Committee requires all wool ear-marked by manufacturers prior to 30th June, 1920, and put into manufacture after 1st July, 1920, to be paid for at enhanced prices based on London parity, it has been found necessary to increase the price of the tweed. The reason for increasing theprice has been explained to the Defence Tweed Committee of the Returned Sailors and Soldiers Imperial League of Australia, and no inquiry is necessary. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>3960</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>REPATRIATION OF ITALIAN RESERVISTS</title>
<page.no>3960</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3960</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L1J</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">LISTER, John</name>
<name role="display">Mr LISTER</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Minister representing the Minister for Defence, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Whether the Minister will supplement a statement given in response to questions by the honorable member for Corio regarding the repatriating of Italian reservists, by making public the facts and circumstances of the case of Ferrando <inline font-style="italic">versus</inline> Pearce and Eles, the charge therein made by Ferrando, and the result of such litigation? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>Will the Government publish reports in their possession as to propaganda by Italians and others in Victoria and Queensland, referring to secret opposition to the policy of the Commonwealth Government in calling up Italian reservists? </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>What action was taken by the Commonwealth Government in opposition to or prevention of the circulation of such propaganda, and what action was taken against individuals - who were they who circulated such propaganda, or supplied funds, or gave assistance therefor? </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>Was the Italian Government warned or notified of such propaganda, and is there any objection by the Government to authorize the publication of such notification? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3960</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L0I</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">RYRIE, Granville</name>
<name role="display">Sir GRANVILLE RYRIE</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member's questions are as follow : - </para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>The papers in this action are already available to the public by usual application, and payment of fee at the Courts, and no statement from the Minister would appear to be necessary. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>It is not considered desirable that any reports which may be in the possession of the Department of Defence showing efforts made by Italian reservists and their friends to prevent their being repatriated, should be made public. </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>War Precautions Regulation 17e (a) provides that any person who, by any means, advocated or encouraged reservists not to comply with noticescalling them up for examination or service, committed an offence. It is not considered that justification exists for the disclosure of anyinformation the Department of Defence may have affecting persons who infringed against the regulations; butwhere it was considered sufficient justification existed, action was taken at the time in the ordinary Courts. </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>In matters of this nature, the proper person to report to the Italian Government would be the Italian Consul; whether he did so or not would not be known by the Department of Defence. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>3960</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>GANTRIES AT PORT PIRIE</title>
<page.no>3960</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3960</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KLL</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">MAKIN, Norman</name>
<name role="display">Mr MAKIN</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Minister for Home and Territories, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Has the Government had negotiations with any private firm in the matter of their taking over the plant known as the Gantries at Port Pine, South Australia? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>What is the cost per ton of discharging coal from the vessel to the bins? </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>What is the cost per ton from the bins to the truck or dray? </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>What is the cost of storage per ton ? </para>
</item>
<item label="5.">
<para>What is the cost of wharfage per ton? </para>
</item>
<item label="6.">
<para>What is the total cost of running the plant at per ton of coal handled? </para>
</item>
<item label="7.">
<para>What was the total income derived from the plant from 1st July, 1919, to 30th June, 1920? </para>
</item>
<item label="8.">
<para>What was the total expenditure from 1st July, 1919, to 30th June, 1920? </para>
</item>
<item label="9.">
<para>What was the amount written off for depreciation during the period from 1st July, 1919, to 30th June, 1920? </para>
</item>
<item label="10.">
<para>What was the total tonnage discharged from 1st July, 1919, to 30th June, 1920? </para>
</item>
<item label="11.">
<para>What tonnage could the plant have discharged had it been working for the period 1st July, 1919, to 30th June, 1920? </para>
</item>
<item label="12.">
<para>What was the total weekly wages during the discharging of vessels? </para>
</item>
<item label="13.">
<para>What was the total weekly wages during the period when no vessel was being discharged ? </para>
</item>
<item label="14.">
<para>What is the total number of men employed, including the staff? </para>
</item>
<item label="15.">
<para>Is it the intention of the Government to hand the plant over to the State Government or a private firm? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3960</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KYD</name.id>
<electorate>GREY, SOUTH AUSTRALIA</electorate>
<party>NAT</party>
<role>Minister for Home and Territories</role>
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">POYNTON, Alexander</name>
<name role="display">Mr POYNTON</name>
</talker>
<para>- This question should have been addressed to the Prime Minister ; but I have pleasure in giving the following reply: - </para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>I shallendeavour to obtain the information asked for by the honorable member, and furnish him with a reply as soon as possible. </para>
</quote>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>3960</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>STATEMENT'S BY COMPANY PROMOTERS</title>
<page.no>3960</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3960</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JWN</name.id>
<electorate>HENTY, VICTORIA</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">FRANCIS, Frederick</name>
<name role="display">Mr FRANCIS</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the AttorneyGeneral, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Has the Commonwealth Government any control over company promoters? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>If so. has it investigated the recent prospectus of anoil and cake mills in which it is stated - </para>
<list type="loweralpha">
<item label="(a)">
<para>that a conservative estimate of the net profitof treating 1 ton of linseed is £20; </para>
</item>
<item label="(b)">
<para>that the estimated cost of crushing is 10s. per ton? </para>
</item>
</list>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>Will the Government take the necessary steps to protect the investing public by calling upon promoters of companies to substantiate their figures? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3961</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KFK</name.id>
<electorate>DARLING DOWNS, QUEENSLAND</electorate>
<party>NAT</party>
<role>Minister for Works and Railways</role>
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">GROOM, Littleton</name>
<name role="display">Mr GROOM</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member's question is as follows : - </para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>The scope of the War Precautions (Companies, Firms, and Businesses) Regulations under which the Commonwealth controlled the registration of companies formed for the purpose of carrying out operations in Australia was considerably reduced at the end of last year. </para>
<para>The control of the Commonwealth is now limited to firms and private and proprietary companies the membership of which does not consist wholly of natural-born British subjects; to foreign companies and firms; and to companies and firms partly or wholly formed with foreign capital or whose operations are to be carried on outside Australia. </para>
</quote>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>3961</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>CADET C. G. HUCKELL</title>
<page.no>3961</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3961</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>L0I</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
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<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">RYRIE, Granville</name>
<name role="display">Sir GRANVILLE RYRIE</name>
</talker>
<para>- On the 19th August the honorable member for Barrier <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Considine)</inline> asked me - </para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Whether the lad, Clement George Huckell, who was sentenced to fourteen days' imprisonment on one charge, and seven days on another charge, for breaches of the compulsory military service sections of the Defence Act, on 26th March, 1920, and who was released from military custody upon serving fourteen days, was released upon instructions from the Minister or some subordinate official? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>Is it a fact that this lad was re-arrested on the 13th instant, and conveyed to Fort Largs, South Australia? </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>Had the lad been called upon to return to hisformer custody in accordance with the provisions of the Defence Act? </para>
</item>
</list>
<para>I am now in a position to furnish the honorable member with the following information : - </para>
<quote>
<para>Cadet Clement George Huckell was sentenced to two terms of detention, viz., fourteen days and seven days respectively, for breaches of discipline, the sentences to be cumulative. The first term was served forthwith, and expired on 8th April, 1920. Instead of serving the additional term immediately, Huckell was not called upon until 13th August - through misinterpretation by the Area Officer of departmental instructions governing such cases - to undergo the further detention of seven days. This detention expired on 18th August, 1920. </para>
</quote>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>CONCILIATION AND ARBITRATION BILL</title>
<page.no>3961</page.no>
<type>bill</type>
</debateinfo>
<para>
<inline font-style="italic">In Committee</inline>(Consideration resumed from 27th August, <inline font-style="italic">vide</inline> page 3957) : </para>
<para>Clause 10, as amended, agreed to. </para>
<para>Clauses 11 to 13 agreed to. </para>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3961</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KFK</name.id>
<electorate>Darling Downs</electorate>
<party>NAT</party>
<role>Minister for Works and Railways</role>
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<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">GROOM, Littleton</name>
<name role="display">Mr GROOM</name>
</talker>
<para>.- I move - </para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para class="block">That the following new clause be added: - 3a. Section8 of the principal Act is amended - </para>
<list type="loweralpha">
<item label="(a)">
<para>by inserting after the word "orders" the words " encourages, advises or incites"; and </para>
</item>
<item label="(b)">
<para>by adding at the end thereof the following sub-section: - " (2.) For the purposes of this section an organization shall be deemed to have ordered, encouraged, advised or incited its members to refuse to offer or accept employment, if - </para>
</item>
<item label="(a)">
<para>the Committee of Management of the organization has ordered, encouraged, advised or incited members of the organization to refuse to offer or accept employment; or </para>
</item>
<item label="(b)">
<para>an officer or officers of the Committee of Management has or have ordered, encouraged, advised or incited members of the organization to refuse to offer or accept employment, unless the Court before which the proceedings are brought is satisfied that the Committee of Management was not cognisant of the matter" </para>
</item>
</list>
</quote>
<para class="block">Section 8 of the Act is as follows : - </para>
<quote>
<para>Any organization of employers or employees which, for the purpose of enforcing compliance with the demands of any employers or employees, orders its members to refuse to offer or accept employment, shall be deemed tobe guilty of a lockout or strike, as the case may be. </para>
</quote>
<para class="block">It will be seen that to the word " orders " in the section I now move the addition of the words " encourages, advises, or incites." </para>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3961</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JXA</name.id>
<electorate>Hunter</electorate>
<party />
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<name role="metadata">CHARLTON, Matthew</name>
<name role="display">Mr CHARLTON</name>
</talker>
<para>.- This seems to be rather a far-reaching amendment as to the effect of which I am not quite sure. The section in the Act makes ample provision for dealing with organizations which are deemed to have committed an offence of the kind; and, altogether, the amendment appears to me rather an objectionable one. The Minister has given us no reason why this new clause is proposed, and I am afraid it might lead to a good deal of trouble. It is quite possible, in connexion with an industrial upheaval, or some anticipated trouble, that an officer may make certain remarks which do not represent the views of the organization with which he is connected, and, under the clause, the organization will be held responsible. It often happens in industrial troubles that a representative of the men takes a certain view, and. places it before the members, but it does not follow that the members agree with it or accept his advice. </para>
</talk.start>
<para class="block">The members of the association may hold quite a different view, and, under the circumstances, they ought not to be regarded as having committed a contravention of the Act. The section in the Act at present is sufficiently effective, and has hitherto worked satisfactorily; but now, for some reasons of which we have not been told, we are asked to make it more drastic. The Minister ought at least to show the grounds on which he proposes^ to make the change. This is a clause which may not prove acceptable to the bodies outside concerned in industrial arbitration, and no' one can say what it may lead to. We are not told whether the suggestion for such a clause emanates from the Department or from some industrial bodies, and evidently it was an afterthought, for it was drawn up after the Bill had been drafted. </para>
<interjection>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3962</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">FOSTER, Richard</name>
<name role="display">Mr Richard Foster</name>
</talker>
<para>- It only proposes to make the law unmistakable. </para>
</talk.start>
</interjection>
<continue>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3962</page.no>
<time.stamp />
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<name role="metadata">CHARLTON, Matthew</name>
<name role="display">Mr CHARLTON</name>
</talker>
<para>- It is unmistakable now. </para>
</talk.start>
</continue>
<interjection>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>3962</page.no>
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<para>- The clause extends the law. </para>
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<para>- Of course it does, and in extending it makes it more drastic; indeed, it is a. sort of drag-net, which may be applied in a way never intended. We cannot be expected to accept such an amendment without knowing what is the object or the reason for its proposal. It may have the effect of preventing any appeal to the Court at all, for if the Government go too far the industrial unions will have nothing to do with the Conciliation and Arbitration Act. </para>
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