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<hansard xsi:noNamespaceSchemaLocation="../../hansard.xsd" version="2.1" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance">
<session.header>
<date>1923-07-25</date>
<parliament.no>9</parliament.no>
<session.no>2</session.no>
<period.no>1</period.no>
<chamber>REPS</chamber>
<page.no>1556</page.no>
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<para class="block">House of Representatives. </para>
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<day.start>1923-07-25</day.start>
<para>
<inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Speaker</inline>(Rt. Hon. W. A. Watt) tookthechair at 2.30 p.m., and read prayers. </para>
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<debate>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1556</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
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<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>REFUNDS OF TAXATION</title>
<page.no>1556</page.no>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1556</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KZO</name.id>
<electorate>KOOYONG, VICTORIA</electorate>
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<name role="metadata">LATHAM, John</name>
<name role="display">Mr LATHAM</name>
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<para>asked the Treasurer, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>What total sums of money collected by the Commonwealth Taxation Department have beenrefunded to taxpayers by the Department in the pastfive years as having been wrongly collected under - </para>
<list type="loweralpha">
<item label="(a)">
<para>The Land Tax Act; </para>
</item>
<item label="(b)">
<para>The Income Tax Act; (c)The War Times Profits Tax Act? </para>
</item>
</list>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>Has the Government given consideration to the statement of <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. JusticeHiggins</inline> in his judgment in the ease of Hickman <inline font-style="italic">v.</inline> the Commissioner, 31 C.L.R., at page 241, that the present state of thelaw under which taxpayers are not entitled to any interest upon money wrongly collected by the Department and subsequently repaid, is" unjust and even baneful "? </para>
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<item label="3.">
<para>Does the Government propose to introduce anyamendment of the law in this respect? </para>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1556</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>C7E</name.id>
<electorate>COWPER, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party>CP</party>
<role>Treasurer</role>
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
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<name role="metadata">PAGE, Earle</name>
<name role="display">Dr EARLE PAGE</name>
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<para>- The question is somewhat ambiguous, as it is notclear what is meant by the word "wrongly". In any case the collection of the desired information would involve a detailed analysis of many thousands of refunds of the taxes in order to determine which of them fell within the class covered by the question. It is considered thatthe time andexpenditure whichwouldbe necessary to obtain the information are not warranted in the circumstances. </para>
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</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1556</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>DUTIES ON AGRICULTURAL MACHINERY</title>
<page.no>1556</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1556</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KMQ</name.id>
<electorate>PERTH, WESTERN AUSTRALIA</electorate>
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<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">MANN, Edward</name>
<name role="display">Mr MANN</name>
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<para>asked the Minister for Trade and Customs, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
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<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Did he refer to the Tariff Board the repre- sentations made to him on 1st May last by a deputation representative of the farmingcommunity, asking for a reduction of the duties on agricultural machinery? 2.Didhe submit to the Board the representations made to him bymanufacturers on 20th June? </para>
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<item label="3.">
<para>If so, has the Tariff Board reported thereon? </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>Whatis the nature of its report? </para>
</item>
<item label="5.">
<para>What steps did the Board take to test the accuracy of the figures submitted by the manu- f acturers? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1556</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JX7</name.id>
<electorate>EDEN-MONARO, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party>NAT</party>
<role>Minister for Health</role>
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">CHAPMAN, Austin</name>
<name role="display">Mr AUSTIN CHAPMAN</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member's questions are as follow : - </para>
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<item label="1.">
<para>Yes. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>Yes. </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>The report has not yet been received. 4 and5. See reply to No. 3. </para>
</item>
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</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1556</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>STEAMER NAURU CHIEF</title>
<page.no>1556</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1556</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KNH</name.id>
<electorate>MELBOURNE PORTS, VICTORIA</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">MATHEWS, James</name>
<name role="display">Mr MATHEWS</name>
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<para>asked the Prime Minister, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline> 1.Is it a fact that the British Phosphate Commission purchasedtheNaura <inline font-style="italic">Chief</inline> inGreat Britain? </para>
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<item label="2.">
<para>Was a British crewsigned on there? </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>Was an endeavour made to replace the crew by coloured labour at Ocean Island? </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>Ifso, didthe Administrator object to any interference with the crew? 5.Did the master of the vessel then engage an additional crew of native boys and with the two crews sail for Melbourne? </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>Was the white crew paidoff andthe coloured crew engaged on arrival in Melbourne? </para>
</item>
<item label="7.">
<para>Is it not a fact that before the purchase of the <inline font-style="italic">Nauru Chief,</inline> a Commonwealth Government steamer was employed in the phosphate trade? </para>
</item>
<item label="8.">
<para>Does he not think that phosphate brought to Australian ports should be carried in Australian ships employing white labour? </para>
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<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4B</name.id>
<electorate>FLINDERS, VICTORIA</electorate>
<party>NAT</party>
<role>Minister for External Affairs</role>
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">BRUCE, Stanley</name>
<name role="display">Mr BRUCE</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member's questions are as follow : - </para>
</talk.start>
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<item label="3.">
<para>TheNauru <inline font-style="italic">Chief</inline> was purchased in Norway and refitted inGreat Britain. She was purchased primarily to meet special requirements of the business, such as the laying of deep seamoorings, far which no other suitable vessel is available, and is employed mostly in the Island's. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>A temporary Britishcrew was signed on in Great Britain to bring the vessel out to Nauru, Ocean Island, Australia or New Zealand, as required. </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>A crew of Gilbert Island natives was shipped at Ocean Island. </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>There was no interference with the crew. It wasagreed with the Resident Commissioner at Ocean Island that the temporary British crew shouldproceed to Melbourne bythe steamer, and be paid off there in accordance with the agreement with them. Two crews were aboard during the voyage to Melbourne. 5 and 6. See answers to 3 and 4. </para>
</item>
<item label="7.">
<para>Several Commonwealth Government Line cargo steamers have carried phosphate cargoes to Australia, but there is no Commonwealth Government steamer of the same type as the <inline font-style="italic">Nauru Chief</inline> suitable for the special requirements of the business. </para>
</item>
<item label="8.">
<para>Freight for phosphatecarried to Australia is chartered by the British PhosphateCommission in the open market. It would not be practicable under the agreement to confine the carriage ofphosphate to Australian ships. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>WIRELESS REGULATIONS</title>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KEV</name.id>
<electorate>for Mr.O'Keefe</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">FENTON, James</name>
<name role="display">Mr FENTON</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Postmaster-General, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>Whether new regulations in connexion with wireless telegraphyhave been recently agreed upon; and, if so, will he supply members with a copy forgeneral information? </para>
</quote>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KAY</name.id>
<electorate>CORANGAMITE, VICTORIA</electorate>
<party>CP</party>
<role>Postmaster-General</role>
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">GIBSON, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr GIBSON</name>
</talker>
<para>- Wireless broadcasting regulations have been approved, and copies will be made available as soon as the Government Printer is able to supply them. </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>PATENTS RECOGNITION</title>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<para>Mr.FENTON (for <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Gabb)</inline> asked the Attorney-General, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
<quote>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Whether an agreement between European nations has yet been arrived at in regard to the validity of patents? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>If so, has Australia entered into an agree ment with such nations, in the matter of patents? </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>Is it safe to-day to take out a patent throughout the world, <inline font-style="italic">i.e.,</inline> would a patent registered in Australia be recognised throughout the world! </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>If not, in which countries would such patent be recognised? </para>
</item>
</list>
</quote>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KFK</name.id>
<electorate>DARLING DOWNS, QUEENSLAND</electorate>
<party>NAT</party>
<role>Attorney-General</role>
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">GROOM, Littleton</name>
<name role="display">Mr GROOM</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorablemember's questions are as follow.: - . </para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>There is not, so far as I am aware, any "Convention in regard to the validity of patents, but there is a Convention under which, <inline font-style="italic">inter alia,</inline> a person whohas applied for a patent in one of the countries which are parties to the Convention, may apply within twelve months in any other country which is a party to the Convention, and may be granted a patent bearing the date of his first application. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>Australia is a party tothe Convention of Paris relating to industrial property, and has the rights given by that Convention, but has not yet acceded totheConvention as revised at Washington. 3and 4. An invention patented in Australia is not protected in any other country unless a patent is obtained for it in that other country. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>WAR SERVICE HOMES</title>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KEQ</name.id>
<electorate>RIVERINA, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">KILLEN, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr KILLEN</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Minister for Works and Railways, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>What is the total amount spent by the Federal Government in building soldiers' houses? </para>
</quote>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KV8</name.id>
<electorate>WIMMERA, VICTORIA</electorate>
<party>CP</party>
<role>Minister for Works and Railways</role>
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">STEWART, Percy</name>
<name role="display">Mr STEWART</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answer to the honorable member's question is as follows : - </para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>To 30th June, 1923, the amount expended in the construction of War Service Homes, including in some cases the cost of purchasing the land on which the houses were built totalled £7,763,234. This figure includes a sum of £1,800,000advanced to the South Australian State. Savings Bank for the provision or War Service Homes; but that institution has not supplied information as to. the actual sum expended, andwhat part of the expenditure was in connexion with - </para>
<list type="loweralpha">
<item label="(a)">
<para>the construction of homes; </para>
</item>
<item label="(b)">
<para>the purchase of homes and the lifting of mortgages. </para>
</item>
</list>
<para>To 30th June, 1923, the total expenditure in the Commonwealth in connexion with (a) purchase of land and construction of homes thereon; and (b) purchase of homes and the lifting of mortgages, equalled £15,030,386, which figure includes the advance of £1,800,000 to the South Australian State Bank. </para>
</quote>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>DIABETES</title>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<para>Supply of Insulin</para>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1557</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KLG</name.id>
<electorate>DALLEY, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">MAHONY, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr MAHONY</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Minister for Health, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Have the Government investigated the efficacy of insulin as a cure for diabetes; and, if so, with what result? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>What steps are being taken to make this product available to medical practitioners in Australia? </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>Has the Commonwealth Serum Laboratory undertaken the manufacture of insulin; and. if so, to what extent and with what result? </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>Is it the intention of the Government to make the supply of insulin a Commonwealth monopoly, or will medical practitioners and wholesale chemists be allowed to import it? </para>
</item>
<item label="5.">
<para>Have any supplies been imported up to the present moment, either by the Commonwealth or otherwise? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JX7</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">CHAPMAN, Austin</name>
<name role="display">Mr AUSTIN CHAPMAN</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member's questions are as follow: - </para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Insulin should not be regarded as a cure for diabetes, but as a means of supplying glandular deficiencies associated ' with the disease. Investigations have been carried on from the first announcement of the present methodsof preparation, with ultimately satisfactory results. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>The product is now available in limited quantities to specialists. The amount available is being continuously increased. </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>Yes. See No. 2. The Commonwealth Serum Laboratories are issuing an active and sterile product. </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>There is no intention on the part of the Government to prohibit importation of efficient preparations. </para>
</item>
<item label="5.">
<para>The information is not available; but certain firms have announced that supplies are on the way from England. The Commonwealth Government will not import, as, according to the statements, of the original discoverers, insulin would not remain active long enough to permit of its arrival in Australia from England in an active condition. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>COMMONWEALTH GOVERNMENT LINE OF STEAMERS</title>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<para>Use of African Coal</para>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KF9</name.id>
<electorate>KALGOORLIE, WESTERN AUSTRALIA</electorate>
<party>ALP; FLP from 1931; ALP from 1936</party>
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">GREEN, Albert</name>
<name role="display">Mr A GREEN</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Prime Minister, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Is it a fact, as has been stated, thatthe Commonwealth Line of Steamers on the eastern States to England run - by way of Western Australia and the Cape - bunker coal mined by black labour at Durban, in preference to coal won by white labour at Collie, Western Australia ? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>If the fact is as stated, what is the reason for the preference given to African over Australian coal ? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4B</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">BRUCE, Stanley</name>
<name role="display">Mr BRUCE</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member's questions are as follow: - . </para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Vessels are bunkered in Durban because the coal is considerably cheaper than Collie, and is of a superior quality - in other words, the arrangements at present in force were adopted by the management in the interests of economy. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>Durban coal costs 27s. 6d. per ton, Collie 33s. 8d.. and Durban coal gives about 20 per cent, better results. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>TOBACCO</title>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<type>miscellaneous</type>
</debateinfo>
<para>Mr.ANSTEY asked the Minister for Trade and Customs,upon <inline font-style="italic">notice -</inline></para>
<quote>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>What is the quantity of stemmed tobacco imported into the Commonwealth during each of the last five years? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>What is the quantity of uncovered cut tobacco manufactured within 'the Commonwealth during each of the last five years? </para>
</item>
</list>
</quote>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JX7</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">CHAPMAN, Austin</name>
<name role="display">Mr AUSTIN CHAPMAN</name>
</talker>
<para>- The information is being obtained. </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>COCKATOO DOCKYARD</title>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<para>Lighthouse Vessels</para>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KLG</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">MAHONY, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr MAHONY</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Minister for Trade and Customs, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Is it the intention of his Department to have constructed at Cockatoo Dockyards vessels for the lighthouse service? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>If so, how many of such vessels arc to be constructed? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JX7</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">CHAPMAN, Austin</name>
<name role="display">Mr AUSTIN CHAPMAN</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answers to the honorable member's questions are as follow : - </para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Provision is made on the Estimates for the current year, and when passed the question of construction of the vessels will be decided. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>See answer to No. 1. </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>PATRIOTIC FUNDS</title>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<para>Relief of Distress</para>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JZK</name.id>
<electorate>REID, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">COLEMAN, Percy</name>
<name role="display">Mr COLEMAN</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Prime Minister, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>Whether the various patriotic funds raised during the recent war for the benefit of returned soldiers and sailors and their depend- ants are controlled by the Commonwealth? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>If so, in what manner are such funds controlled ? . </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>Will he furnish the House with the total amounts of the unexpended balances of such funds? </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>Will he take steps to compel those controlling such funds to expend them infurtherance of the objects for which such funds were raised and /or relieving distress amongst unemployed returned soldiers and sailors? </para>
</item>
<item label="5.">
<para>Is it a fact that some of the committees controlling such funds are refusing to expend them? </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4B</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">BRUCE, Stanley</name>
<name role="display">Mr BRUCE</name>
</talker>
<para>- The information is being obtained. </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>COMMONWEALTH WOOLLEN MILLS</title>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4Q</name.id>
<electorate>YARRA, VICTORIA</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">SCULLIN, James Henry</name>
<name role="display">Mr SCULLIN</name>
</talker>
<para>asked the Minister for Defence, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>Whether the Commonwealth Government Woollen Mill at Geelong was, at any time, worked more than three shifts per day? </para>
</quote>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1558</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JRH</name.id>
<electorate>PARRAMATTA, NEW SOUTH WALES</electorate>
<party>NAT</party>
<role>Minister for Defence</role>
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">BOWDEN, Eric</name>
<name role="display">Mr BOWDEN</name>
</talker>
<para>- The answer to the honorable member's question as printed is, " No." I understand there is some error in the printing of the question, and I may inform the honorable member that the Woollen ' Mills were never worked more than one shift a day, but considerable overtime was paid for on various occasions in times of stress during the war. </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1559</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>ACCOMMODATION FOR DESTITUTE PERSONS</title>
<page.no>1559</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1559</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>KLG</name.id>
<electorate />
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">MAHONY, William</name>
<name role="display">Mr MAHONY</name>
</talker>
<para>asked, the Prime Minister, <inline font-style="italic">upon notice -</inline></para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>In view of the poverty existing owing to unemployment among returned soldiers and others who are forced to sleep out in the Sydney Domain on these cold nights, will be agree to make the H.M.A.S. <inline font-style="italic">Australia</inline> available for sleeping accommodation for these poor people ? </para>
</quote>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1559</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4B</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>NAT</party>
<role />
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">BRUCE, Stanley</name>
<name role="display">Mr BRUCE</name>
</talker>
<para>- It is regretted that H.A.M.S. <inline font-style="italic">Australia</inline> cannot be made available for this purpose. The vessel is moored out in Sydney Harbor, and access from the shore is not possible except by boat. This ship is still in reserve with valuable stores on board, and must remain so until a decision has been reached as to the method of scrapping her to comply with the Washington Treaty. </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>QUESTION</title>
<page.no>1559</page.no>
<type>Questions</type>
</debateinfo>
<subdebate.1>
<subdebateinfo>
<title>AMALGAMATED WIRELESS COMPANY</title>
<page.no>1559</page.no>
</subdebateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1559</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>C7E</name.id>
<electorate />
<party>CP</party>
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">PAGE, Earle</name>
<name role="display">Dr EARLE PAGE</name>
</talker>
<para>- On Friday, 13th instant, the honorable member for South Sydney <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. E. Riley)</inline> asked the following questions: - </para>
</talk.start>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>What is the amount of money paid in by the Commonwealth Government as shares to the Amalgamated Wireless Company? </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>What is the amount paid in as shares by the said company? </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>What steps has the company taken to fulfil its contracts with regard to the installation of high-power wireless stations? </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>Will it be able to complete its contracts within the time specified? </para>
</item>
</list>
<para class="block">I am now able to furnish this information - </para>
<list type="decimal-dotted">
<item label="1.">
<para>£50,000 2s., being 2s. per share on 500,001 shares. </para>
</item>
<item label="2.">
<para>£211,811 14s., being 2s. per share on 304,117 new shares, and £1 fully paid on 181,400 shares of the old company. </para>
</item>
<item label="3.">
<para>The company advises that tenders have been called as requested by the Government. </para>
</item>
<item label="4.">
<para>The company advises "Yes." </para>
</item>
</list>
</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>PAPERS</title>
<page.no>1559</page.no>
<type>papers</type>
</debateinfo>
<para>The following papers were presented: - </para>
<quote>
<para>Imperial Shipping Committee on the De- ferred Rebate System- Final Report (Paper presented to British Parliament). </para>
<para>Arbitration (Public Service) Act - Determinations by the Arbitrator, &c. - </para>
</quote>
<para>No. 8 of 1923- Postmaster-General's Department - State Heads of Branches Association. </para>
<para>No. 9 of 1923 - Commonwealth Legal </para>
<para>Professional Officers Association. </para>
</debate>
<debate>
<debateinfo>
<title>ORDER OF BUSINESS</title>
<page.no>1559</page.no>
<type>order of business</type>
</debateinfo>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1559</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>F4B</name.id>
<electorate>Flinders</electorate>
<party>NAT</party>
<role>Prime Min ister and Minister for External Affairs</role>
<in.gov>1</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">BRUCE, Stanley</name>
<name role="display">Mr BRUCE</name>
</talker>
<para>. - I move- </para>
</talk.start>
<quote>
<para>That on each sitting day, unless otherwise ordered, Government business shall take precedence of general business. </para>
</quote>
<para class="block">Honorable members know that it is customary, when the House is nearing the end of the session, for Government' business to be given precedence over private members' business. The practice has been followed for a very long time, and I have no doubt that honorable members will agree to its being adopted on the present occasion. Some time ago the Government announced that it proposed to terminate the present session on the 24th August. I know that certain honorable members on the Opposition side of the House do not approve of that decision, but I would remind them, that one of the primary duties of the Government of the day is to make the necessary arrangements for the conduct of the business of Parliament. That is one of the duties which honorable members opposite would insist upon discharging if they occupied the Government benches. During the present session private members have had the usual facilities for introducing subjects of particular interest to them, but the end of the session isnow not very far distant. It is proposedto introduce the Budget tomorrow, and in ' order to give honorable members the fullest possible opportunity of considering the Budget, the Estimates, and consequential legislation. Ministers propose that Government business shall be given precedence. I feel sure that honorable members will agree to the motion, and thus afford themselves every possible opportunity to discuss measures, particularly those dealing with the finance of the country, which will come before them. Owing to the nature of the business which will have to be transacted between now and the end of the session, honorable members will have ample opportunity to bring under the notice of the House any matter to which they desire to draw attention. </para>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1560</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JXA</name.id>
<electorate>Hunter</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">CHARLTON, Matthew</name>
<name role="display">Mr CHARLTON</name>
</talker>
<para>.- I have no intention of objecting to the motion. I realize that if the House Is to rise on the 24th August, private members' business must give way to Government business. At the same time, I wish, again, on behalf of this side of the House, to protest against Parliament being closed on the 24th August, after such a short session. - 1 am under the impression that in addition to sitting on Tuesdays, we shall shortly be .asked to sit on Mondays. The legislation that has to be dealt with in the remaining three or' four weeks of the session is very important, and should receive the attention of every member in this House. I doubt very much, if it can. have the attention it deserves in the short space of time remaining before the 24th August. Parliament will not be able to do its best work if honorable members are required to sit every day in the week. Some of us would like to get the business done and go home. In that respect I am in the same category as other honorable members. We cannot aifc from Monday until Friday inclusive, and until a late hour every night, and do justice to important legislation. The Prime Minister has indicated that when the Treasurer <inline font-weight="bold">(Dr. Earle Page)</inline> delivers the Budget to-morrow, many matters arising out of it will require consideration, and will necessitate legislation. He said that he wanted to give the House sufficient time to deal with the Budget. I fail to see how we can deal with all this legislation in the limited period of three weeks. The Prime Minister would be wise, even at this late hour, if he would agree to the House sitting until it has had time to deal with necessary legislation in a proper and efficient way. It is not in the best interests of Parliament or the country that legislation should be rushed through. If we make mistakes in passing legislation the responsibility will be ours. In hurrying to close the session too early we may do things which we may regret afterwards. I am not opposed to the Government appropriating the time usually allowed to private members, but I object to rushing legislation through in order to close the session on the 24th August. The House should be allowed to sit, if necessary, for another two months. It would not make any difference to the Prime Minister, for the Opposition would grant him a pair, but it would make all the difference to the efficient conduct of the business of Parliament. </para>
</talk.start>
</speech>
<speech>
<talk.start>
<talker>
<page.no>1560</page.no>
<time.stamp />
<name.id>JPV</name.id>
<electorate>Darling</electorate>
<party />
<role />
<in.gov>0</in.gov>
<first.speech>0</first.speech>
<name role="metadata">BLAKELEY, Arthur</name>
<name role="display">Mr BLAKELEY</name>
</talker>
<para>.- I object strongly to the constant whittling away of the rights of members of this House by. the Government. Private members have retained very few privileges since the present Government took control of the House. Members have no channel tor ventilating matters of importance to their electorates and the people generally. A few weeks ago about £4,500,000 was voted by this House after only three and a half hours actual debate. I admit that the Prime Minister sat for thirteen and a half hours moving, " That the question he now put." Like a marionette he kept bobbing tip, and like a phonograph he kept repeating, " I move, ' That the question be now put.' " Members of the Opposition vainly endeavoured to discuss matters which they considered of vital importance to the people of Australia. The Ministers of the different Departments could give no information, and the Prime Minister himself was equally without it. The " Bill was forced through, and members of the Opposition were prevented from speaking upon many matters of importance. That privilege waa taken away by the brutal "gag," and now the small privilege remaining is to be removed also. It is absolutely impossible for the programme of legislation proposed by the Government to be passed in the short period between now and the 24th August. I do not know whether the Prime Minister and the Government think that members of this House are so many children, or that the people outside have no knowledge of what can be done before 24th August. If the Government had any capacity or ability to carry on the affairs of this country, it would have met the House shortly after it was elected. We know, however, that certain assassinations had to take place. Certain men had to be removed, and others placated. Certain warring factions in the different groups, which have now been welded together more or less harmoniously, had to be reconciled. At last, after a delay of something like six months, an understanding was brought about which has carried the Ministry through so far. From a Government such as the present one we could not expect much more.' I shall say no more about the vote of £4,500,000, after three and a half hours? discussion, and thirteen and a half hours' gagging, but there are on the notice-paper most important legislative proposals- of vital interest to the public, the discussion of which should take at least six months. Can the Budget be adequately analyzed and criticised in less than four weeks? Of course, if the Government are ashamed of their Budget, and desire to prevent a full discussion of <inline font-style="italic">it,</inline> they are proceeding in the right way to achieve their object. There will not be sufficient time between now and the 24th August to adequately discuss the Budget. The Navigation Bill, which involves a most important principle, should not pass through this House with less than two weeks' discussion. The Seamen's Compensation Bill is a highly controversial measure, which should receive at least three weeks' consideration. The Air Defence Bill is another proposal which cannot be disposed of in a few hours. It was discreetly dropped by the last Government, and rumour in the corridors is to the effect that it will suffer a similar fate at the hands of the present Government. Certainly, there is very little chance of its being passed in this House, even if the Prime Minister again applies the gag continuously for thirteen hours. Other measures listed on the business-paper are the Naval Defence Bill, Sea-carriage of Goods Bill, New Guinea. Bill, the Boy Scouts Association Bill - God forbid that we should forget the boys scouts - and the Papua Bill. It has become the fashion for people to ask why so much time is wasted in Parliament, but adequate discussion is the only protection which the people have against an incompetent Government rushing through the House legislation that is unwise and unpalatable to the electors. When I first entered Parliament I formed the opinion that a great deal of time was occupied in useless discussion, but as the years go by - may there be many more of them - I have come to the conclusion, as the result of bitter experience, that legislation can be passed too -hurriedly. Work can be perfunctorily done, and its results become a danger to the people. If the Government should even attempt to pass, before the 24th August, all the proposals that have been listed x they will be guilty of madness. The only way in which that programme can- be disposed of is by the extension of the session for at least six or eight weeks beyond the announced date of closing. Even in that time some of the proposals must be scamped. There must be in the Government programme a good many innocents which are doomed te be slaughtered, and one. is forced to the conclusion that the Government knew when they listed them that many of them had not the slightest chance of being agreed to. It is all very well to dress the Ministerial windows, to say that so much work must be done in a certain time; and to attempt to run the legislative machine to a schedule ; but tie Government cannot do that, and they are not justified in attempting it. Now we are told that private members are to be further deprived of their privileges. I shall continue to voice my objection to the whittling away of the rights of members, especially when I know that that course could have been avoided had the Government had the courage to submit their legislative proposals to the House six months ago. </para>
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<para>.- I agree with the honorable member for Darling <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Blakeley)</inline> that honorable members should be very jealous of their privileges. I stress that point for the benefit of those honorable members who are new to the House. Private members have few privileges, indeed. They have not many opportunities of giving publicity to matters which they regard as being of public importance. Their greatest opportunity is private members' day, which the Government are now coolly proposing to abolish. I ask honorable members to realize what the Government's motion means. There is on the businesspaper a most important motion in the name of the honorable member for Richmond <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. R. Green)</inline> for the appointment of a Select Committee to inquire into alleged grievances concerning the- administration of- the War Service Homes Department in New South Wales. I take it that that honorable member did not lightly place that notice upon the paper. He was surely seized of his responsibility as a member ; he must have thought that this matter was one of great importance. There have been allegations of grievous wrongs and mal-administration, and he took advantage of his privilege as a private member to give notice of a motion which would enable publicity to be given to the matter. Now the Prime Minister is practically gagging him, and casting a reflection upon him, inasmuch as he says in effect, " The notice of motion by the honorable member for Richmond is of no consequence; we must close this Parliament so that "I may go to London." It matters not that there may have been mal-administration in connexion with "War Service Homes in New South Wales. It matters not that returned soldiers are unemployed and sleeping in the Sydney Domain. At all costs Parliament must be closed, and the Prime Minister must go to London. I hope that the honorable member for Richmond will not lightly allow his rights to be set aside. There are other honorable members who, with equal sincerity, I believe have given notice of motions. The honorable member for Bass <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Jackson)</inline> has tabled & motion in reference to the construction of a railway line from Oodnadatta to Alice Springs as part of the through North-South railway. The Prime Minister cannot deny the importance of that proposal^ but he is asking the House to set it aside. The honorable member for Bass is a noted explorer. He has travelled from end to end of this vast continent. He has been at what is known as " the dead heart of Australia." I have heard the honorable member deliver lectures on the subject of the Northern Territory, and from these one might he led to believe that the exploits of explorers like the late Lord Forrest and others fade into insignificance beside the wonderful achievements of the explorer from Bass. As a result of his vast experience, the honorable member has placed this notice of motion on the business-paper, declaring that the construction of the railway from Oodnadatta to Alice Springs should be proceeded with at once. This is a question of vital importance to South Australian representatives, and it will be interesting to see whether those gentlemen are prepared to allow the Prime Minister <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Bruce)</inline> to sweep away their opportunity of discussing it. The honorable member for Melbourne <inline font-weight="bold">(Dr. Maloney),</inline> who has a personal knowledge of the poverty and destitution that prevails in our midst, has a notice of motion in favour of the granting of a destitute allowance. He believes that it is the duty of Parliament to give a lead in the alleviation of distress, and is therefore anxious to have the matter discussed here. I could quite understand the Prime Minister dealing in the way proposed with motions standing in the names of members of the Opposition, but what has the honorable member for Riverina <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. Killen)</inline> to say about the swamping of his motion in favour of the contract system being adopted for all Government work? This is a question in. which quite a large number of honorable members behind the Government are deeply interested, and the support given by the honorable member for Riverina to the contract system,- in opposition to day labour, was one of the grounds on which he was elected to this House. If the honorable member permits himself to be robbed- of his rights it is certain that his constituents will call him to account at the next election. There is a proposal in the name of the honorable member for Denison <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. O'Keefe)</inline> to appoint a Select Committee to inquire into the necessity for provision being made by the Government for an adequate direct shipping service between Melbourne and Hobart. Session after session during the years I have been a member I have heard representatives from Tasmania complaining of the present inadequate shipping facilities. I ask Tasmanian representatives who sit behind the Government to consider -carefully before they support a motion which will have the effect of depriving the island State of a much needed service. Then, <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Speaker,</inline> your illustrious predecessor, the honorable member for Lang <inline font-weight="bold">(Sir Elliot Johnson)</inline> has a motion urging the necessity for the authorization by Parliament of the publication of <inline font-style="italic">Hansard.</inline> I understand that without the authorization . proposed <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline> is not covered by parliamentary privilege, and actions for libel may be brought on what appears in its columns. The honorable member for Lang desires to place it beyond all doubt that <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline> reports are not subject to the ordinary processes <inline font-style="italic">6t</inline> law. Surely honorable members generally will insist on having an opportunity to affirm that <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline> ' is a parliamentary document. There is another important motion on the notice- paper in the name of the honorable member for Wannon <inline font-weight="bold">(Mr. McNeill),</inline> who is a new member, and the Prime Minister should not deprive him of an opportunity to submit his motion. I hope honorable members will not be prepared to " gag" themselves. The opening words of the motion are - ' ' That a Select Committee of seven members, representing both sides of tha House- " You will notice, <inline font-weight="bold">Mr.</inline></para>
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<inline font-weight="bold">Speaker,</inline>how fair the honorable member for Wannon is. He desires both sides of the House to be represented. The full text of the motion is - </para>
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<para>That a Select Committee of seven members, representing both sides of the House, be appointed to inquire into and report upon the alleged non-fulfilment of the verbal undertaking placed before the House by the Minister for Trade and Customs prior to the passing of item 275 of the Customs Tariff on 9th November, 1921, as recorded on pages 12538 and 12530 of <inline font-style="italic">Hansard</inline> of the session 1920-21. </para>
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<para>- It is a matter affecting the honour of this House. </para>
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