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<para>Senate. </para>
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<day.start>1914-11-18</day.start>
<para>The President took the chair at 3 p.m., and read prayers. </para>
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<para>- Last session, when the question of the national regiments, more particularly the wearing of kilts, was under consideration, I made an interjection which I find has caused considerable pain to Scottish people in Tasmania. When <inline font-weight="bold">Senator Pearce</inline> was speaking in opposition to an order by the ex-Minister of Defence authorizing the wearing of kilts, he stated that the Scottish regiments had always acted most gallantly on the field of battle, and led the' way. I, in a very jocular manner, and without any desire to detract from the splendid manner in which the Scottish regiments have always conducted themselves on the field of battle said, ' ' Away from the field." Several letters have reached me from Tasmania in which regret has been expressed by Scottish people that I made the interjection. I have now to express extreme regret for having reflected, as my interjection did, on the courage of Scotchmen generally. I had not the slightest desire to detract in any way from the very gallant manner in which we know, and history tells us, Scotchmen have invariably conducted themselves on the field of battle. On the contrary, I have always entertained the highest possible respect for Scottish people in every capacity, and I regret very much that my jocular interjection was taken seriously, and has had the effect of hurting the feelings of many of my good Scotch friends. </para>
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<title>EXPORTATION OF YACCA GUM</title>
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<para>- I desire to ascertain whether the attention of the Leader of the Government has bees called to an article in the <inline font-style="italic">Evening Journal,</inline> published in Adelaide, on the 16th November. I do not propose to read the article, but the writer alleges that Yacca gum is one of the principal ingredients in the manufacture of picric acid, which is being used very largely by Germany to destroy the Allies; and that during the six months ending July last something like 1,200 tons of this commodity were exported from South Australia, the greater portion of it going to Germany. I desire to ask whether the attention of the Leader of the Government here has been called to the. article, whether he knows anything of the facts alleged therein, and if they are true, whether he will endeavour to take steps to prevent the exportation of any more of this very dangerous article at the present time. </para>
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<para>- I have not read the article, but I will have the facts stated by the honorable senator brought under the notice of <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Bell,</inline> the analyst in connexion with the Department, who can advise us on the question. If the facts are as alleged, undoubtedly steps will be taken to prevent the exportation of the article, at any rate to an enemy country. </para>
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<title>CAPTAIN HUGHES-ONSLOW</title>
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<para>- Has the Minister. of Defence noticed that Captain HughesOnslow - a gentleman who at one time was connected with the naval administration of the Commonwealth as second member of the Naval Board, and who, in my opinion, did not get a fair deal from the Government of the day - has been appointed to the command of the superDreadnought <inline font-style="italic">Revenge</inline> by the Imperial authorities t </para>
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<name role="metadata">DE LARGIE, Hugh</name>
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<para>- He has had his revenge. </para>
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<name role="metadata">BLAKEY, Albert</name>
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<para>- He is getting justice. </para>
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<name role="metadata">MILLEN, Edward</name>
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<para>- Why did you not vote to give him what you call ' justice when <inline font-weight="bold">Senator Long</inline> brought the matter forward? </para>
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<para>- I did; I supported him right through. </para>
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<para>- Captain. HughesOnslow is mighty lucky that there is a war on. </para>
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<para>- Has the Minister noticed that the Imperial Government, have made such an appointment? </para>
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<para>- Yes; I have noticed that interesting report. </para>
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<title>GERMAN OFFICIALS AT RABAUL</title>
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<para>- Is the Leader of the Government here in a position to Btate whether it is, or is not, a fact that the Administrator of Rabaul has re-appointed a large number of the German officials who were previously acting there under their own Government ? </para>
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<page.no>683</page.no>
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<para>- I have made inquiries, but a reply is not yet to hand. </para>
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<title>CAPTAIN EDWARD EDWARDS</title>
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<para>- Can the Minister of Defence say whether it is a fact, as reported in the daily press, that Edward Edwards, managing director of the Continental Tyre Company, who in a letter expressed the wish that there were seventeen or eighteen <inline font-style="italic">Emdens</inline> operating on British merchant ships, is to be allowed to retain his captaincy in the. Australian Volunteer Automobile Corps? </para>
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<para>- The commission referred to was cancelled at to-day's Executive meeting. </para>
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<title>QUESTION</title>
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<title>COMPULSORY TRAINING</title>
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<para>Apprentices' Drills</para>
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<page.no>683</page.no>
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<name role="metadata">WATSON, David</name>
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<para>- Can the Minister of Defence state if any provision is being made to meet the case of trainees who are serving their time as apprentices at various trades and attending trade schools at night? Many of the drills fall on the same night as the lads have to attend school, and the result is- </para>
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<para>- Order ! the honorable senator must not argue the matter. </para>
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<page.no>683</page.no>
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<para>- I wish to give the reason for asking the question. The experience in our district makes it almost necessary to explain the reason for the question, but, if that is not permissible, I bow to your ruling. </para>
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<para>- I do not lay it down as a ruling that an honorable senator cannot state the explanatory matter necessary to elucidate a question to enable the Minister to answer it, but the honorable senator was proceeding to argue why this or that should or should not be done. The object of a question is merely to elicit information, and it is not permissible to argue the matter. </para>
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<para>- I wish to explain that, in consequence of certain information I have received to the effect that lads engaged in learning their trades at technical schools-- </para>
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<para>- Is the honorable senator in order in proceeding in this way? </para>
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<para>- Following all recognised authorities on parliamentary procedure, I have laid it down as the invariable practice that questions must boasked only to elicit information. It is not permissible when putting a questionto make statements or argue or debate the matter in any way. </para>
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<para>- When the Minister representing the Minister of Trade and Customs recently tabled, at my request, reports of the investigations of the trawler <inline font-style="italic">Endeavour,</inline> I asked him if he. would take steps to have copies supplied! to honorable senators, and he promised to do so. Has he taken such steps, and when may we expect copies? </para>
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<para>- I regret if there has been any delay. I brought the matter before the Customs Department, but will renew my representations, and seethat it is attended to at once. </para>
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<para>- Seeing that many of the permanent officers connected with the Instructional Staff have gone or are going with the Expeditionary Forces, and that necessity exists to make temporary promotions to fill the vacancies caused by their leaving the country, will the Minister of Defence see that the noncommissioned officers connected with the Instructional Staff are given a fair chance of obtaining temporary promotion? I wish, also to direct the Minister's attention to' Lord Kitchener's and <inline font-weight="bold">Sir John</inline> French's action in this connexion, as shown in the following extract from a speech by <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Asquith</inline> reported in to-day's <inline font-style="italic">Age: -</inline></para>
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<para>Lord Kitchener had drawn up a scheme for increasing the pay of junior officers, which the Treasury was considering. General <inline font-weight="bold">Sir John</inline> French was freely utilizing his powers to promote non-commissioned officers and privates to commissions, in recognition of their gallantry and services in the field. </para>
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<para class="block">I bring this particularly under the notice of the Minister, in order that these men, on whom largely depends the success of our Defence Forces, may have an opportunity of gaining the promotion which, I understand, is likely to be extended to certain militia officers within the next few weeks. </para>
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<para>- Our General Officer Commanding has the same power as that referred to by <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Asquith,</inline> and no doubt will exercise it, to promote to commissioned rank non-commissioned officers or even privates for service in the field ; but the honorable senator's request that temporary promotions shall take place, for instructional purposes, not for services in the field, but for those remaining here, is quite a different matter. The question has been under consideration for some time, and I have to-day approved of a number -of senior non-commissioned officers being appointed temporarily to fill commissioned ranks. </para>
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<para>- - Does that apply to the Navy, too! </para>
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<para>- No. </para>
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<para>- Is the Minister of Defence able to give me the information I asked for some time ago about the number of married men in the ranks of the first Expeditionary Force? </para>
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<para>- No; it is impossible to get the information yet, as the nominal roll is not yet completed. </para>
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<para>- Is the Minister representing the Postmaster-General aware that an order made by the Senate on 16th October last, for tabling a summary of the recommendations of the Postal Commission, indicating which have been acted upon and which have not, has not yet been returned? Will he take steps to expedite the return? </para>
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<para>- A large amount of work is entailed in getting the return ready, but it will be laid on the table at the earliest possible moment. </para>
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<para>- By leave of the Senate, I desire to make a personal explanation. Last Thursday, when I was speaking upon the Patents, Trade Marks and Designs Bill, I had occasion to refer to the extraordinary heat manifested in the consideration of the measure by certain members of the Opposition, particlarly by Senators Gould and Millen, and I identified both those gentlemen with the cause of countries outside Australia, particularly in connexion with their action at the time the Tariff was being discussed in this Chamber. In the official report of my remarks I find that there are two inaccuracies, of which <inline font-weight="bold">Senator Millen</inline> is the author. The first is contained in the following interjection by him - </para>
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<para>Who voted against the 5 per cent, duty on German mining machinery ? </para>
<para class="block">As that question was obviously directed at me- </para>
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<para>- The cap fitted. </para>
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<para>- No. So far from the cap fitting, I find that the question of the imposition of a 5 per cent, duty on mining machinery did not arise at all. Therefore, when <inline font-weight="bold">Senator Millen</inline> sought to identify me with the granting of a preference to Germany on that occasion he was guilty of a very big inaccuracy indeed. The items in which I was particularly interested when the Tariff was under review were high speed reciprocating engines and rock drills. </para>
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<para>- Did the honorable senator vote for the lowest possible duty, or did he not? </para>
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<para>- I considered the question of whether a duty should be levied upon those articles purely from the stand-point of what was best in the interests of the mining industry of this country. The second inaccuracy of which I complain was the statement by <inline font-weight="bold">Senator Millen</inline> that - </para>
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<inline font-weight="bold">Senator Lynch</inline>voted for free German machinery. </para>
<para class="block">I did nothing of the kind. I no more voted in favour of the free admission of German machinery than I did in favour of the free admission of British or American machinery. When, therefore, the Leader of the Opposition attempts to identify me with an effort to favour Germany, the facts fail to support his contention. Still more do the after consequences of my action in this chamber disprove his statements. The items in which I was particularly interested when the Tariff was under review were dynamo electric machines and rock drills. In regard to the first I find from the records for 1913 that the imports from the United Kingdom of dynamos up to 200 h.p. were valued at £168,000, those from the United States at £131,000, and those from Germany at £48,000. The imports from the United Kingdom of dynamos in excess of 200 h.p. were valued at £56,000, those from America at £9,000, and those from Germany at £3,000. It will be seen, therefore, that, while the importation of all dynamos from the United States and the United Kingdom represented a total value of £299,000, that from Germany represented only £65,000. In the light of these figures it is quite clear that, although I endeavoured to place certain of these machines on the free list, Germany did not thereby derive very much advantage, inasmuch as she supplied only one-seventh of our importations into Australia during the past twelve months, which is a fair period upon which to build calculations. The next item on which I' felt keenly was that of rock drills, and I voted to place them upon the free list. From the official records for last year I find that the imports under this heading from the United Kingdom were valued at £3,000, those from the United States at £28,000, and those from Germany - the country which I am alleged to have favoured - at £736. In other words, only one forty-second part of the importation of rock drills into the Commonwealth came from the country which, according to <inline font-weight="bold">Senator Millen,</inline> I am supposed to favour. In regard to high-speed reciprocating engines, I felt particularly keen, and I do so to-day. But I learn that the total value of the imports under this heading from the United Kingdom last year was £28,000, whereas that from Germany was nil. Thus, if inquiry be made into the after consequences of my efforts in this chamber, it will be seen that, in respect of one of the two items upon which I felt keenly Germany derived no advantage whatever, whilst in respect of the other, her exportation to the Commonwealth represented only one-seventh of our imports. When the Tariff was under review, I felt strongly on two or three of these particular lines, and I feel just as strongly to-day. If similar circumstances arose to-morrow I would repeat the votes which I cast on a former occasion. </para>
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<para>- The honorable senator is going a little beyond the limits of a personal explanation. </para>
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<para>- I will conclude by remarking that the Tariff which was dealt with by this Parliament in 1907-8 included, as an integral part, a 5 per cent, preference to British manufacturers. That Tariff I supported. <inline font-weight="bold">Senator Millen</inline> did not support it, neither did <inline font-weight="bold">Senator</inline></para>
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<para class="block">Gould, and the basis of my charge against them was that while the Tariff was being debated, they helped the side of the importing countries, including Germany, whereas my action was in the direction of encouraging Australia, on the ground that we can produce here the articles that we require. </para>
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<para>- Seeing that it is becoming a practice for honorable senators to make personal explanations, I desire to say a few words in reply to the statement of <inline font-weight="bold">Senator Lynch.</inline> It appears that I have done him some slight injustice so far as the naming of a specific duty is concerned. If, in speaking on the spur of the moment, I said that he voted for a particular duty, and my statement is inaccurate, I apologize at once. I do not remember saying whether he voted for a 5 per cent, duty or a7½ per cent. duty. The whole purport of my remarks was that, whilsi <inline font-weight="bold">Senator Lynch</inline> charged <inline font-weight="bold">Senator Gould</inline> and myself with being proGerman because we had voted for low duties, he himself had voted and fought tenaciously for the lowest possible duty on mining machinery, and his explanation to-day is a practical admission of that fact. </para>
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<para>The following papers were presented : - </para>
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<para>Invalid and Old-age Pensions Act 1908-1912. </para>
<para>Statement for twelve months ended 30th June, 1914. </para>
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<para>Lands Acquisition Act 1906 - </para>
<para>Return of land disposed of at Geraldton, Queensland, and Port Augusta, South Australia. </para>
<para>Land acquired under, at - </para>
<para>Kalgoorlie, Western Australia - ForRailway purposes. </para>
<para>Wardell, New South Wales- For Postal purposes. </para>
<para>Weston, New South Wales - For Postal purposes. </para>
<para>Naval Powers - Return showing in detail naval expenditure. </para>
<para>Norfolk Island. - Memorandum by Secretary, Department of External Affairs. </para>
<para>Northern Territory. - Report of the Administrator for the year 1913. </para>
<para>Post and Telegraph Act 1901-1913- Regulations amended, &c. - </para>
<para>Statutory Rules 1914, Nos. 139, 144, 145, 146, 147. </para>
<para>War, European - Papers relating to the support offered by the Princes and Peoples of India. </para>
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<para>. - I ask the leave of the Senate to read a statement. </para>
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<para>Leave granted. </para>
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<para>- I have laid on the table papers, relating to the support offered by the Princes and peoples of India in connexion with the war, that were presented to the Imperial Parliament by command of His Majesty, and, in connexion with them, I wish to make the following statement - </para>
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<para>Public attention is desired to the paper No. 4 (pages 10 to 12) containing a <inline font-style="italic">r6sum6</inline> of the proceedings of the Legislative Council of India. The sitting was remarkable for the unsolicited expressions of loyalty from the members. The Council unanimously carried the following resolution : - </para>
<para>The members of this Council, as voicing the feeling that animates the whole of the people of India, desire to give expression to their feelings of unswerving loyalty and enthusiastic devotion to their King-Emperor, and an assurance of their unflinching support to the British Government. </para>
<para>They desire, at the same time, to express the opinion that the people of India, in addition to the military assistance now being afforded by India to the Empire, would wish to share in the heavy financial burden now imposed by the war on the United Kingdom, and request the Government of India to take this view into consideration, and thus to demonstrate the unity of India with the Empire. </para>
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<inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Bauer</inline>jee, supporting the resolution, used these words - </para>
<para>They desired to tell the world, the enemies of England, and all else whom it might concern, that their loyalty was not lip deep, but that behind the serried ranks of one of the finest armies of the world were the vast and multitudinous races and peoples of India bound together as one man. </para>
<para>The support of both Houses of the Imperial Parliament was necessary in order that the cost of the Indian expedition might be made a charge against Indian revenues. <inline font-weight="bold">Mr. Asquith,</inline> in moving for that approval, said - " I am sure we should not be giving expression to what every one of us feels if we did not couple with its acceptance an acknowledgment, sincere and heartfelt, of the spontaneous and splendid assistance which our great Dependency of India is giving us." </para>
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<para>- May I ask in connexion with the statement which has just been read by the Minister of Defence whether if the papers to which it refers are printed steps will be taken to have the covering statement printed with them? </para>
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<para>- Certainly. The statement will be printed with the papers as it has been laid on the table with them. </para>
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<para>- I desire to ask the </para>
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<para>Vice-President of the Executive Council why it is that the report of the Administrator of the Northern Territory wasfurnished to the newspapers before being laid on the table of the Senate? </para>
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<para>- It was first laid: on the table in another place. </para>
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</speech>
</subdebate.1>
</debate>
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<title>QUESTION</title>