Airport "background"

[MaicomMR]

Hello everyone,

I'm doing some vectors of airports and checking how they look in photoshop, it would be possible to implement ".png" images about the game? It is compatible with the zoom?

Below are three tests that I created (in photoshop)

[19 sep 2015 - Edited images format]

[nielsvdweide]

I like these! Maybe we can add geographical lay-outs as well!

For example EHAM: (This is the way atc-sim does it:)

[Maverick283]

Well the only issue I see is that when you show a ground layout, you kind of have to make the planes taxi somewhat on taxiways to make it somewhat good.

I think in general some geographical information would be nice, yet @nielsvdweide this is not atc-sim.com. Simply trying to reprogram atc-sim.com would fail the purpose of implementing an other atc simulator. So instead of copying this from atc-sim, lets rather think about a better way of showing such information. As this thread is about Airport background, not geographical background, this would have to go into another issue.

So back to the airport background: I do like that Idea. Maybe (to make the UI clearer) the layout could pop up when zooming in close enough.

[nielsvdweide]

@Maverick283 I agree that airplanes should taxi on a ground layout if available. Then, we can also add hold short commands for airplanes. Now, we let them taxi and they straight taxi onto the runway.

General geographical information is nice and I understand this is not atc-sim.com. I only wanted to show the way they do it, not suggesting we should re-create this. It was just to give a general idea what could be done!

OT: I love the ground map! looks good

[tedrek]

First off, the taxiways look very good. Having some sort of a background image for the radar screen makes sense and I would be interested in implementing a single .svg background for airports/radar.

.png files will not work with the zooming feature but .svg files should be possible.

Having aircraft taxi on the taxiways seems to me unlikely to be implemented any time soon. It would require a lot of coding, and while I can't speak for anybody else I don't have any desire for the feature so won't put my time towards coding it.

I would suggest that taxiways are too small/detailed to make sense on the radar screen. It would probably make more sense to have a pop-up which shows the airport layout with some details. The radar screen should probably show large scale things such as perhaps some geographical landmarks and control aids for directing aircraft. It would be a very simple way of displaying STARs and similiar routes.

[MaicomMR]

I believe the management of the entire taxi system become much more complex game (maybe even more complex than it should be), when I presented the idea was just to have a background when atingice a certain level of zoom.
I have the image in the .svg SBGR, I personally vetorizei all runways and taxiways,

I loved seeing that contributes to the beginning of a new discussion, hugs.

my .svg, free to use: http://imgh.us/sbgr_big_black.svg

I make a simple svg with only the ways.

http://imgh.us/sbgr_paths.svg
http://imgh.us/sbgr_paths_sign.svg

[erikquinn]

@MaicomMR I threw something together using your svg... actually seems to work pretty well. With a little more work, we may be able to get something like this implemented!

Live demo in-game:
http://erikquinn.github.io/atc/

[MaicomMR]

@erikquinn wow, this sounds perfect!
I can build the svg to another airports at your need.

[MaicomMR]

Here is the svg for SBGL, I'm working on KLAX now, I will upload all svg for this google drive folder.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5riwJXsd5mfcDVwVGtNYzBWQ2s

[erikquinn]

@MaicomMR Awesome! I'm not sure how you're making these, but I was able to get really good results by using Inkscape on a pdf (which is just like an svg, actually). I used the airport diagrams (first picture), and removed all of the extra lines and text. This works really well in Inkscape (free) and Adobe Illustrator (expensive), but is harder in GIMP/Photoshop/etc. Not sure what you're using, but just a tip that I love inkscape! 😃

As you can see, I inverted the colors as well. I thought it matched the color scheme a little better than the black/white that was in my chart.

That said, I will happily take whatever you're willing to give! I just thought you'd like to know that I found a pretty easy and fast way to make a very good looking image.

Thanks for the link, I'll get back to this in a few days.

EQ

[MaicomMR]

Woooowww really Cool, I'm using Adobe Illustrator of my job, but I'm not expert in AI. I will search more about Inkscape.

[MaicomMR]

I will follow you method, Runways, Terminals and Building in White and Taxiways in dark green, ok?

[MaicomMR]

KLAX airport is ready, uploading to google drive

[erikquinn]

@MaicomMR Oh, if you have and know how to use Illustrator, I'd stay with that. It is much better.

They look sooooo good!!! I'm getting excited for this! 🎉 🎈 😃 ❗

[erikquinn]

@MaicomMR Oh, just one thing: it's actually better if you don't include any background color for the final versions. That way, if we ever let the user select different themes, we won't have a green square around the airport.

[MaicomMR]

@erikquinn Very thanks. I did not include any background, you can check this in the google drive folder in print I put as I use to verify that it has no fault or error, because without the background is hard to see.

SBGL Going to google drive...

SBGR

[MaicomMR]

@erikquinn please check if the SBGL .svg works ok, I use a different method(and more easy/fast) to build them.
Ahhh I'm using the prefix "a_" before the airport ICAO to name this new models of svg(with terminals, taxiways and buildings)

[erikquinn]

In-Game:

Seems to work just fine. Although the runways don't exactly line up, which is strange. 😕 Maybe the runways in the game are a little off? I thought I remembered you saying it was hard to find good data for runway location at one of these airports... maybe that is why.

[MaicomMR]

It is likely that the coordinates of SBGL lanes are wrong, when I did the original version remember I had difficulty to align them, maybe better align the tracks as the background, as this is being based on official letters of airports, the what do you think?

I'll create some more background when you have time, I notice here, but will always be in the google drive folder.

[erikquinn]

^ I was able to get much better alignment with a Jeppesen chart (almost perfect). Also, I remembered two more things:

• all svgs need to be perfectly north-up (true north, eg latitude/longitude lines)
• all svgs need to be saved on a perfectly SQUARE canvas. Any size is okay.

Once I did those things, and switched to the older Jeppesen chart, it worked beautifully! Only problem is that there are white squares between the taxiways (black parts in my screenshot). I am not sure how to remove them. Could you take this one and give it a try?

sbgl.svg

[ghost]

Can i play this atc offline, that way i can test this svgs images?

[erikquinn]

@Izeras Yes, you would just need to set up a local web server (not real hard). There is a guide on how to do this in the "Set up to make code changes" section in the wiki, on the new contributors help page.

[ghost]

@erikquinn Ok, i'll try. Thanks :)

[MaicomMR]

@erikquinn i'm studing the SBGL case here, the new method distorts the airport background, look this comparsion, the image posted by you with runway in wrong positions(white and dark green) and the original background(cyan).

I will go back to old method.

[darssy]

Any progress on that? Seems to be interesting especially for ground radar. @MaicomMR were you able to fix the distortion? Maybe you could use SVG with geographical coordinates (https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/SVG_Map). I don't know though, not quite familiar in the way SVG works, just a thought...

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