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Update health.md #83

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maternity and paternity leave

maternity and paternity leave
@lynnjbird lynnjbird closed this Jan 25, 2014
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Floppy commented Jan 26, 2014

Would it be more equitable to allocate two years of leave, and allow the parents to split however they want? I admit this wouldn't necessarily hit the breastfeeding aim you want here, though.

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There's a strong argument for suggesting that allowing fathers and mothers
to split/share all parental leave exactly as they prefer to suit their own
needs, would be hugely beneficial to women in the workplace. Managers
making promotional/appointment decisions will no longer have a 'good
reason' [as they see it] for choosing a man over a woman as the 'risk' of
losing them to parental leave would be the same either way.

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I think families should be able to allocate the leave between them how best suits them. To ensure fairness in the workplace, even if the mother takes the majority of the leave, the father's employer would be responsible for the employee contribution for the year for paternity leave regardless of whether he takes the whole year off. The breastfeeding issue is one of  choice, I think mothers are more likely to make the decision to breast feed and for longer if they had longer paid maternity leave. At present maternity leave in its unpaid form is something that many families can't afford to take, even if they wanted to. I think there is a correlation between higher numbers of women returning to work after paid leave finishes and increasingly low breast feeding rates. 

I think there should be stricter regulation on formula milk companies and how they promote their products. Formula milk even in the 21st century is vastly inferior in its benefits to babies compared to breast milk. Just comparing nappy deposits is proof enough of how unsuitable formula cow milk is for babies. I don't think they should be able to show babes in arms in their adverts and should be restricted to promoting to over 1's which is the national health guideline on when to introduce cow's milk to infants. It is time formula milk improved into something that was healthier and not cow based. The industry has been lazy and focussed their attention on undermining breast feeding rather than developing a better product.

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I agree that couples should be able to split maternity/paternity leave however they like (with both parents being able to take time off in the first few weeks).

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Floppy commented Mar 30, 2014

I'm going to take this change and try to adapt it slightly to see if we can get consensus. @lynnjbird, I'll have to open another pull request when I do that, but I'll link it from here and make sure I let you know.

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Thanks James, I look forward to reading. 
It will be interesting to find out what people think about the issue. It is a worrying trend that the mainstream parties are more focused on incentives to get mothers with young babies back to work and leave fathers out of the picture. There is no incentive for either parent to actually stay at home and be a proper parent. If the state can afford to pay for widescale nursery childcare then it is also possible to afford a more substantial maternity and paternity leave where the interests of the child would be paramount; something the state doesn't consider in its initiatives to subsidise non-parent childcare. 

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Item 4 on the 'Society' page details a proposal that would solve this problem: by allowing a full transfer of personal income tax allowance from one partner to another, it encourages stay-at-home parents of either sex; is financially worth far more than Statutory Maternity Pay, and is not time restricted to just x months/years after birth.

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@PaulJRobinson transferring personal income tax doesn't give you the right to take leave from your job and return to the same job later though.

I think there's the need for both.

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good point!

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income tax doesn't give you the right to take leave from your job and
return to the same job later though.

I think there's the need for both.

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Keen to vote for this if we can simplify the wording based on the comments.

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Floppy commented Feb 8, 2017

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