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tags: HSF, Minutes
lang: en-gb
description: HSF Meeting Notes
title: "HSF Coordination Meeting #267, 25 April 2024"
layout: plain_toc
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# HSF Coordination Meeting #268, 25 April 2024

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*This notebook is used to record the minutes of the HSF Coordination meetings. These are archived after each meeting onto the [HSF Website](https://hepsoftwarefoundation.org).*

## Tips

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- Please use `-` to indicate lists in this file (we try to avoid mixing `-` and `*` in the same file - it's markdown lint!)
- Please use the Zoom "raise hand" if you'd like to make a comment in the meeting

## Attending

Present/Contributing: Stefan Roiser, Graeme Stewart, Michel Jouvin, Jamie Gooding, Tommaso Lari, Krzysztof Genser, Reiner Hauser, Claire Antel, Liz Sexton-Kennedy, Eduardo Rodrigues, Joe Osborn, Alexander Moreno, Mark Neubauer

Apologies/Contributing: Benedikt Hegner, Pere Mato
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Deadline for evaluation input was last week.

News on slots?
We are still waiting for news on slots awarded.

### HSF Evolution

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- It should have an elected chair from the ECs
- Meets ~1/year
- The relationship with software projects; final document still in preparation, but a number of promising lines identified
- HSF endorsment/recognision for community software projects
- HSF endorsement/recognition for community software projects
- This is a "badge" system, with different levels
- Projects need to be evaluated
- No control is ceded to the HSF - the project is owned and contolled by its developers
- No control is ceded to the HSF - the project is owned and controlled by its developers
- This is just as relevant for small projects and tools as large ones (maybe even more so!)
- HSF Projects
- Where a project has been developed in closer association with the HSF and had direct input
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- e.g., Detector simulation on GPUs, DUNE framework requirements
- Effort/resources from the HSF
- Still considering this and how it could work, modelling on, e.g., [NumFOCUS](https://numfocus.org), which gets foundation funding and industry support
- Limited to auxilliary support, e.g., for workshops or travel
- Paying people a salary is extremely complicvated
- Limited to auxiliary support, e.g., for workshops or travel
- Paying people a salary is extremely complicated
- Would we stand a chance of getting foundation type funding?
- This will require leg-work, but there is some chance that it would be successful if spun in the right way

## Working Group Updates

### General Standing Reminders

#### Website banners

We have the ability to put event banners on the HSF website. All it requires is a markdown file with the event data. See, e.g., files [here](https://github.com/HSF/hsf.github.io/tree/main/announcements/_posts/2023).

#### Meetings

Please try and book meetings in Indico at least 2 weeks in advance!

That way they go into the calendar early and they will be included in the weekly email announcement that goes to HSF Forum.

### Data Analysis

- Planning a DAWG meeting for talk on CMS Combine (in touch with Nick Wardle) + update on HS3 (in touch with Carsten Burgard), nominally 10th June
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### Reconstruction and Software Trigger

Organising a topical meeting on "4D tracking @ Belle II":
- Confirmed date: 8th May
- Agenda: <https://indico.cern.ch/event/1399441/>
- Not announced in mailing list yet.
- Two talks: "Hit Timing Determination in Belle2 SVD" (Luigi Corona) & "SVD Timing in Tracking at Belle2" (Thomas Lueck)
- Thanks to Giulia for providing the speakers and Joe for following up.
- Discussion with some others about an additional 4D tracking meeting to follow the Belle2 focused discussion
- Organising a topical meeting on "4D tracking @ Belle II":
- Confirmed date: 8th May
- Agenda: <https://indico.cern.ch/event/1399441/>
- Not announced in mailing list yet.
- Two talks: "Hit Timing Determination in Belle2 SVD" (Luigi Corona) & "SVD Timing in Tracking at Belle2" (Thomas Lueck)
- Thanks to Giulia for providing the speakers and Joe for following up.
- Discussion with some others about an additional 4D tracking meeting to follow the Belle2 focused discussion

To get WG google-group white listed by CERN IT (_before_ sending a first email), it helped to cc Graeme in ticket who linked past tickets and attached [screenshots](https://cernbox.cern.ch/s/qaPY2M9rWlfXrWm)
- To get WG google-group white listed by CERN IT (_before_ sending a first email), it helped to cc Graeme in ticket who linked past tickets and attached [screenshots](https://cernbox.cern.ch/s/qaPY2M9rWlfXrWm)

>It's the xorlabs filter that does this, see tickets [INC3759294 ](https://cern.service-now.com/service-portal?id=ticket&table=incident&n=INC3759294)and [INC3761021](https://cern.service-now.com/service-portal?id=ticket&table=incident&n=INC3761021). I pasted a few screenshots of how this happened for other HSF lists that are now unblocked.
### JuliaHEP

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### Tools and Packaging

- We plan to have a topical meeting on experience with using SPACK in existing experiments
- CMS, LHCb, FNAL(Patrick, TBC)
- CMS, LHCb, FNAL (Patrick, TBC)
- No date set yet, we would prefer to have a single meeting rather than spread it out over multiple ones

## Other Interest and Activity Areas

### Analysis Facilities

[Session at the WLCG-HSF workshop](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1369601/timetable/#20240516) to look forward to
[Session at the WLCG-HSF workshop](https://indico.cern.ch/event/1369601/timetable/#20240516) to look forward to.

### Compute and Accelerator Forum

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- 29 May: NVidia Update
- 12 June: AMD GPU roadmap

### Software and Computing Roundtable


### Event generators

We should have a BoF for the generator people at the workshop, because quite a few are coming.
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Reminder: please [sign up](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z1Z4payCpieOLiVFcC6y9j-KCj71u6xX232LHUgIHfI/edit) for chairing one of the 2024 meetings.

**We now have a [guide](https://hepsoftwarefoundation.org/organization/running-meetings.html) for running the meeting!**

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