Deleting "red" task/habit life loss - too unforgiving. Side notes: assumptions about users and honesty

[p1agu3]

Today I accidentally clicked on the right side of a task to move it because the cursor showed the "move" indicator. This didn't work, and instead, several "clicks of frustration" from me resulted in accidentally subtracting a huge amount of life. This is an unrelated bug to this issue and I haven't found it, but I'll keep looking around here.

Anyways, because I totally messed that habit up, I wanted to delete and recreate it so I didn't get a ton of points when I finally did do it, and now I'm seeing a pop-up box saying it's going to hurt me even more. In other words, this gets comical pretty fast without an undo button/task log implemented yet.

Is there any way we can either temporarily comment out/disable this feature until those are completed, or otherwise change this so we can "delete the task without subtracting life"?

On a side note, from a development perspective, I think the following is important to understand:

I think that everyone using this application should be assumed to be completely honest from the get-go. If users want to delete something, they are doing it for a reason that isn't always within the scope of the devs understanding, so they shouldn't necessarily be punished for it. My example of an erroneous click punishing me 4-5x more than I'm earning with points is likely not unique. This is a life organization tool, which means cheating does absolutely nothing to help me at all in it. In other words, cheating doesn't even exist, so why are we punishing users who "are trying to cheat" like this?

I'm just looking for some conversation on this recently implemented feature.

EDIT: I'm also hoping someone can help me figure out how to attach a label to this issue, as I can't seem to find out how and would like to save admins from having to categorize for me. I'd like it to be a "suggestion" if possible.
EDIT2: nevermind, labels are added by admins, I understand this now and it makes sense.

[teepoo]

Also there is a bug that keeps adding random things under habits like "browsing productivity" and "productivity". Not sure where those keep coming from, but when I delete them I lose HP.

[lefnire]

chrome extension. when you browse bad sites, it docs the "Browsing Productivity" task. If doesn't exist, it creates it.

[lefnire]

@p1agu3 I'll see what I can do about deleting tasks now. This was a "don't cheat yourself measure" from days of yore, but may be less applicable now.

[teepoo]

Oh thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was just a randomly added thing. I understand the "don't cheat yourself" thing. I think it still applies, but there should be an option to opt in/out. Sometimes tasks no longer need to be done for another reason other than giving up :)

[StanLindsey]

Originally the Chrome Extension made a task called "productivity" so I've not named it "Browsing Productivity", as stated in the option page, to differentiate itself. =D

[wc8]

👍 for an assumption of "innocence"—i.e. productive use
However, for users who have requested features to, for example, limit their own faking completion for game "advantages" like parties, I'm open to finding ways to help without hindering legitimate, albeit creative uses.
(Cheating is an awkward term, because, especially for single players, who are you being dishonest to? but I've used it for lack of a better term.)

Deletion penalty: As a challenge to find a way to do a troublesome task, I like it.
As a penalty incurred by deleting green tasks, or correcting glitches (duplicated dailies, etc.) it's a pain.
I tend to wait to fix duplicates until I can afford HP hit.
I suggest exempting fully green tasks from penalty.
[edited for clarity]

[lefnire]

Green tasks should already be exempt
On Feb 13, 2013 6:51 PM, "wc8" notifications@github.com wrote:

[image: 👍] for an assumption of "innocence"—i.e. productive use
However, for users who have requested features to, for example, limit
their own faking completion for game "advantages" like parties, I'm open to
finding ways to help without hindering legitimate, albeit creative
uses.
(Cheating is an awkward term, because, especially for single players, who
are you being dishonest to? but I've used it for lack of a better term.)

Deletion penalty: As a challenge to find a way to do a troublesome task, I
like it.
As a penalty incurred by deleting green tasks, or correcting glitches
(duplicated dailies, etc.). I tend to wait to fix duplicates until I can
afford HP.
I suggest exempting fully green tasks from penalty.

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[wc8]

Hm... I had gotten penalty warnings when I went to delete a green task. I checked now and had a simple confirmation message. 👍 whereas an orange daily had a penalty warning.

[Pandoro]

Can anyone say if this is still an issue for them ? I don't really want to try it out, as for me I don't get any warnings or messages at all when I try to delete something :X

[lefnire]

I can remove the lose-hp part altogether if people want.

On Sunday, March 3, 2013, Pandoro wrote:

Can anyone say if this is still an issue for them ? I don't really want to
try it out, as for me I don't get any warnings or messages at all when I
try to delete something :X

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[Pandoro]

I would probably suggest that, but I honestly can't say as I have never
seen this happen to me :x

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Tyler Renelle notifications@github.comwrote:

I can remove the lose-hp part altogether if people want.

On Sunday, March 3, 2013, Pandoro wrote:

Can anyone say if this is still an issue for them ? I don't really want
to
try it out, as for me I don't get any warnings or messages at all when I
try to delete something :X

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[wc8]

What is the HP cost of deleting a task? Is it static or algorithm-based? Perhaps a compromise between users wanting the challenge and those finding the HP loss to strict, lower the HP loss?

[deilann]

Can this be moved to Trello?