Cart Termination can be reflected.

[Simone-rRO]

I found an issue that Cart Termination can be reflected with equipment and cards such as Orc Lord.

Cart Termination however, is -not- a physical melee skill (as +% damage multipliers (such as Turtle General/Hydra Card) do not boost the damage).

Therefore, Cart Termination should not be reflectable.

[Jedzkie]

Aegis Behavior:

[Simone-rRO]

It shouldn't be like that. CT isn't a melee skill, it hits with cart/zeny. CT bypasses other reflect features such as the Reflect Shield skill (source: http://irowiki.org/wiki/High_Speed_Cart_Ram).
Why would it not bypass reflect cards? Reflect is reflect.

[Jedzkie]

Yeah we know reflect is reflect but the picture says it, it does still reflect with orc lord card.

[Simone-rRO]

Can this please be reopened? I was told by Mysterious that Hercules is following kRO behaviour and not Aegis. I do not have a Whitesmith on kRO to my disposal so I can not test, but until then I'm pretty sure that this is not kRO behaviour. Thanks. :)

[hemagx]

kRO = Aegis, aegis is the project used by kRO to run ro servers
However this issue opened for further investigations

[WillTheDoggy]

In pre-renewal, Cart-Termination does not reflect.

In renewal, it does.

[kyeme]

@WillTheDoggy any source?

@Playtester

[Playtester]

I have no way to test pre-renewal and jedzkie already tested it on renewal. So I'd say working as intended unless there's some proof for pre-re.

[WillTheDoggy]

I have a iRO Classic account that I will test at home. I will follow-up.

Until then: https://forums.warpportal.com/index.php?/topic/14189-mechanic/page-5

Mentions how it used to bypass reflect until the Mechanic class changes.

[malufett]

as I remember @kyeme confirm this before in Pre before we implemented the official reflect behavior in which I reconfirmed it in RE using Aegis and kRO...

[Simone-rRO]

So it is working as intended after all?

[Jedzkie]

@hemagx When you have time to test this?

[hemagx]

they ask for pre-re i can't help.

[douglasparker]

I think most people remember Cart Term NOT being reflected in Pre-RE. In fact, everyone I've asked believe that it should not be reflected. Leaving this as is simply because it's reflected in RE doesn't sound right. If nobody can confirm, there should be some sort of toggle in the configuration.

I believe it isn't reflected in eAthena/rAthena for Pre-RE as well. Why does Hercules have to do things any different simply because nobody can confirm it?

I think it should be changed to not reflect until someone can prove that it IS reflected in Pre-RE.

[malufett]

@Lavenblade
I think most of them are private server players and not aware on the difference between the types of reflect...anyway if there a chance someone got solid proof or source the better..

[hemagx]

ok, so it's about pre-re or re ? generally i have Aegis issue right
now,. but if it's pre-re i can't really test it.

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@Lavenblade
I think most of them are private server players and not aware on the
difference between the types of reflect...anyway if there a chance someone
got solid proof or source the better..

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[Jedzkie]

Classic iRO is our last option.

[douglasparker]

I'll see if I have any friends who have accounts on iRO. If anyone else does or knows anybody, please let us know. Make sure you're checking for PreRE.

[kyeme]

Shield Reflect vs. High Speed Cart Ram
"HSCR pierces shield reflect"
pre-renewal source: http://z14.invisionfree.com/proiriscommunity/index.php?showtopic=5316

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Orc Lord / V. Mant. or item with reflect vs. High Speed Cart Ram
pre-renewal source: http://forums.irowiki.org/showthread.php?t=5485
"Tested: Valk Manteau DOES reflect High Speed Cart Ram."

[Simone-rRO]

Wow, okay... that's new, so none of the servers i've/we've played previously was following the official behavior. Unfortunately I liked that non-official behavior. Can anyone point me in the right direction how to make it so that it can't be reflected? ):

[Ridley8819]

Since there were no reply since half a year I'm closing this. If you still want to request this customization please use the forums.