Feature request: Audio through DS4 headphone jack #17
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Seconded. This would be an excellent feature. |
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I hate to tell you, but I'm not sure it's possible since the DS4 audio is handled by the PS4 mostly (from what reverse-engineered data we have found so far). Either that, or it is handled through Bluetooth, and that would be very difficult since Bluetooth sucks for bandwidth. It would be kind of silly too, since all computers have a 3.5mm headphone jack on them. Even if you wanted to use the controller from far away, there are wireless headsets too. I don't know, I'd have to do more research and capture more packets from the DS4... |
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Well, the PS4 clearly doesn't have bandwidth issues with using the DS4 bluetooth for both audio input/output streaming and controller events, according to user reviews (I dont own a PS4 myself). As for reverse engineering, I found this: http://eleccelerator.com/wiki/index.php?title=DualShock_4 |
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As vgturtle said, audio data is handled completely differently, and I don't have the tools to reverse engineer how it works. I can't say by myself that this feature will ever be added. |
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Thanks for considering it anyway |
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@HeMu1 When I was talking about bandwidth, I was talking about the PC handling all of it, and that Windows Bluetooth stack doesn't really like that. The PS4 Bluetooth may be custom made, and be able to handle that while a PC might not. Emulating two devices is tricky, especially with audio in the mix. You would have to dynamically analyze, convert, send, and receive audio data if it were to work just like the PS4. With all that said, I have been looking at the controller dumps that people have made and I am currently trying to see if I can find out where audio is data is sent/kept/received/whatever. This is all done in my free time though, which at this point in my life is very limited. But I am working on it. |
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+1 This feature would be awesome and add to those reasons for using a PS4 controller with a PC - and supporting software :) I would certainly pay for this feature if it meant that I had one less wire to worry about.. Here's to hoping that this feature gains traction.. |
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I can't seem to access the audio at all through my PC, it seems like the PS4 OS and drivers probably handle all that work. The Bluetooth seems standard, but the audio doesn't show up at all. I have tried everything I can think of. Does anybody have any Bluetooth sniffers or anything? |
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Hi vgturtle127, |
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Wireshark allows you to sniff compatible wireless adapters. I would need to get a compatible device, something like this: https://www.cacetech.com/products/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=69 I have controllers, so all I would need is a Bluetooth sniffer and some time and patience. I have confidence I could figure something out, or at least get some idea of what is happening. I could probably at least dump some stuff that would help people figure it out. Some information has been gathered, but most of it was through USB or reverse-engineering, I believe. http://eleccelerator.com/wiki/index.php?title=DualShock_4 Here is some good info, but nothing that helps us at the moment... |
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What about using a rooted android device instead?
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I'm not sure if that would work or not, but unfortunately I don't have an Android device to test. 😞 |
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What's the thing with the android device? |
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It's not "needed". He was saying I could use an Android device as a Bluetooth sniffer. |
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I dont know if it's like that for everybody but i sometimes get the audiodevice listed as one that i would be able to connect to in my bluetooth settings on Win 10. I havent figured out when the device appears but i can try to reproduce it if someone thinks it would help. I have of course tried pairing with it without success. |
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Can you upload a screenshot here? That seems interesting. I would also like to know what Bluetooth stack and chipset you are using. |
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I don't know exactly how i did it but I'm messing around with it trying to get it to happen again :P could you ELI5 how to best give you info on stack and stuff, cause I'm a noob :) I know for sure that the audio device was from the DS4 though because i live far from people and it appeared and disappeared when i turned on and off controller :) |
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Well, what bluetooth adapter are you using? Are you using a USB dongle or built-in bluetooth? |
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I think Anoneom is talking about this, I was able to see two devices when attempting to pair the Dualshock 4 (and yes, this second audio device only appeared when the DS4 was on):
Like Anoneom, I can't get it to pair. I'm on Windows 10 via Bootcamp on a 2015 15" MacBook Pro. |
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Is RECAM4AZJX02485 the device that comes up? I can't find any information on the MacBook Bluetooth chipset or anything. 😞 If you could check the device manager and give me any information pertaining to the Bluetooth device that would be great. |
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Yes, RECA is the device that pops up along with the PS4 controller ("Wireless Controller"). You're not able to see it on your setup? You may have to be on Windows 10, or maybe you need an adapter with Bluetooth 4.0+ (since it offers increased bandwidth that may be necessary for carrying audio AND controller AND light bar data)... In any event, this is with a Broadcom BCM943602CS (AC WiFi, Bluetooth 4.1). https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Broadcom_BCM943602CS
Let me know if I can be of further help! |
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I am on Windows 10, I just don't have any Bluetooth adapters or anything. I always use USB when I use my PS4 controller. 😄 Thanks for the information! We definitely need Bluetooth 4.0, since that is what the PS4 has. The PS4 may use WiFi Direct or something for the light bar and audio data, or some proprietary equivalent. I kind of hope not since that would be much harder to sniff, but if I know Sony that spend a lot of time on security for stuff that doesn't really need it. 😃 Now if we could only connect or sniff the traffic that was passed along by the PS4. I really need to get a Bluetooth sniffer, I am getting more interested since it appears we may be able to connect to it from within Windows... |
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I doubt the Dualshock 4 uses WiFi, I think it only has a Bluetooth radio, though admittedly good teardown information IDing the ICs is lacking on the Internet, but this might be useful: http://mygaming.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/DualShock-4-PCB-bottom.png The audio codec is on the controller's PCB, so audio processing is done on the controller, NOT on the PS4. This is good news (if you didn't have this information already). A Bluetooth 4.0 USB adapter can be had for ~$15, and the BlueFruit Bluetooth 4.0 sniffer runs about $30, though Wireshark may work with one of those $15 adapters... You probably know more about that than I do. Anyway, is it a question of money? I'm a little surprised you don't have Bluetooth on your computer! |
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@jamesspinella Good find about the audio IC! I had no idea based on previous tear downs! I knew it didn't have WiFi, I just didn't know if it had some weird proprietary wireless communications stuff going on, this seems increasingly likely. I could get a low cost adapter and try it, and then I would also have the benefit of having Bluetooth on my PC. However, that Bluetooth sniffer is for Bluetooth LE, not regular Bluetooth devices. 😞 Wireshark actually works on most devices, at least as far as I have tested. However, I can never install WinPCap, so I can never run Wireshark. I have been meaning to go report the bug... It is only sort of a question of money, I was recently laid off and don't have any spending money. Bluetooth adapters aren't expensive, but if I do get one, I want one that supports as many versions of Bluetooth as I can. I'm OK with paying if it means I get quality. I understand your surprise, I figured most motherboards would have support by now. Mine was a budget board, and so was my wireless adapter. So no Bluetooth for me! 😝 |
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I have a spare Bluetooth USB adapter, but it's Bluetooth 2.1, so I doubt that would work for you... But is there anything else I can do to help with this effort? (FYI I don't actually have a PS4 anymore) |
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I will probably get this: Either that, or something from Adafruit. Who makes the spare adapter you have? |
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Ah, that sounds like a solid choice. I have a Targus dongle (http://targus.com/us/usb-bluetooth-adapter), but again, it's Bluetooth 2.1 (+EDR!). |
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@jamesspinella Actually, I may pick that one up too, since I don't know if I can do EDR on a Bluetooth 4.0 adapter. |
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EDR just means enhanced data rate, it allowed for faster link speeds versus 2.0, and so technically is "included" in any Bluetooth 3.0 and 4.0 device. Kind of like MIMO, only some Wireless "G" devices have it, but anything N and newer has it. |
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@jamesspinella Oh, OK. Good to know. Thanks, James! Bluetooth isn't my favorite thing in the world, if you couldn't tell. 😄 |
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@BOBCAMO Thanks, though. 😄 |
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So I am kinda confused. Is audio working wireless with the use of the official sony ds4 dongle or not? I need to know asap please. Same question if anyone knows if it is working in linux ? |
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@terranovafe looks like that audio IS supported, but ONLY via an official DS4 adapter: http://www.pcgamer.com/ds4windows-now-supports-sonys-official-bluetooth-adapter/ |
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@terranovafe and about linux support: chrippa/ds4drv#76 |
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@vgturtle127 yeah, was thinking about trying to get one but no money to do so lol. also, your welcome :-) @terranovafe Yes it does work on the Sony DS4 USB Dongle as @s-kostyuk linked to us. Quality? don't know but if i ever get one i will make sure to let ya know. you'll probably get it before i do lol. But i did read about that shortly before i first posted on here and Bluetooth can supposedly support High quality 7.1 if not better through it.(never tried, looked into it nor cared due to price lol.) supposedly on the PS4(don't have one) it's apparently better for some people using the DS4 controller's 3.5mm Jack than anything else. but haven't heard anything about how the quality is on PC with the DS4 Dongle except the couple video's i found before getting on here which.... didn't seem like they tried to test it. but from what i know, you will definitely be only using Stereo with it being a 3.5mm jack, unless you have some kind of a adapter for virtual or actual surround sound. i believe(could be wrong) you can use 3.5mm headsets(meaning with any inline mic e.g. RIG400HS) and everything is suppose to work. sorry if it's not actual info, but there might be some video's up right now with testings of the DS4 Dongle. Added Note for anyone who uses steam and/or mainly uses it and would like to use your PS4/DS4 controller. Steam seems to fully support and utilize it VERY well(3.5mm jack being the only exception). didn't know about it til a while after looking stuff up and why i got a PS4 controller. but gotta go into big picture mode for some of it, especially first time use. i do switch between steam and DS4windows for controlling my DS4 depending on the game. |
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H just so u know I just bought a DS4v2 controller. I plugged it into my computer and it came up with headset earphone (Wireless controller) and I immediately plugged in my earphones to my controller and it worked even without the dongle it worked and I don’t even have any software |
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@sonicpo781 I found this feature too. Both Linux and Windows OS's successfully discovered gamepad as a gamepad itself and headset (stereo speakers + microphone) and it works just fine. The only problem is that wired connection is needed (via Micro-USB cable). And there is no support of headset via wireless Bluetooth connection, at least for now. P.S. DS4v2 controller was tested |
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huh, what versions of windows? or does it matter?
Yeah, since they went ahead and already made the USB dongle for it they stopped their so if you do want BT usage of the same you gotta spend more lol. ah... god gaming has gone down hill... |
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@BOBCAMO mine is Windows 10 with latest updates. Steam is installed too. But, as was said, headset is recognized only if gamepad is connected by Micro-USB cable |
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@s-kostyuk For me though, only using it as a controller and... when i got mine brand new and messed with other's controller's... usb only is kind of a no-go due to it always feeling like the port was made broken... all of them i've tried feels overly wiggly and like it was plugged in and then stepped on... so i try to ONLY use USB to correct an error of what ever or to charge. other wise to try and keep the USB port in as best condition as i can i only use it through BT. |
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i think it has to be version 2 or u just have to have headphones plugged
into the controller
…On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 9:07 PM, BOBCAMO ***@***.***> wrote:
huh, what versions of windows? or does it matter?
if it doesn't matter then it seems they may have implemented it to be more
plug and play. mine is only a version 1 but there has been times when i try
to re-pair it or even reset it then pair it i will notice the audio device
come up then shortly after replaced by the controller.
But wouldn't surprise me since i'm finding out more and more steam user's
are choosing DS4 for their controller.
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yeah you have to use it plugged in or you need the wireless Bluetooth
adapter
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@BOBCAMO <https://github.com/bobcamo> mine is Windows 10 with latest
updates. Steam is installed to. But, as was said, headset is recognized
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Dumped DS4 firmware, might be of use to someone |
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@DS4FW Cool, thanks! I will take a look. Do you know anything about the firmware? Like who developed it, or anything? EDIT: Nevermind, Sony is all over it. |
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Guys, i don't know, may be you made this feature instead, but: I working on linux (ubuntun 16.04), and when i connecting my ds4, i see 1 bluetooth device (wireless controller, who knows 😉), but 2 gamepads in devices, first is legacy xbox gamepad, second is position and acceleration controller. I think, that may beeee (only may be) ds4 is not only 2 gamepads in one device, but wireless speaker too. Thinking, it cause ps4 based on bsd, so linux get all devices correctly without any additional software. If this issue still related, i can test this theory on my linux laptop 🤔🤔🤔 |
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I'm confused. This thread is still alive ? Because, when connecting via cable I do have audio working natively. On Windows it just popped out as two devices. One for audio and one for controller. Anyway, I know that most we talking about is about bluetooth, but if processing is made through the controller, maybe looking at windows drivers/dll's may give an idea about how audio is handled outside. I mean,if windows only sends RAW data to the controller, would be possible to make the hardware receive raw sound data through bluetooth and see what happens, even if it is for testing purposes If there is something I can do to help, let me know |
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Hey @vgturtle127 if you need any help regarding this issue, I'll love to do it |
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Would it be possible to at least integrate Ds4 with the ps4 bt adapter, the one sony sells. I have one but i cannot get controller input together with sound, and when i manage to get audio to work with that native adapter, it's cut off when i try to use DS4 |
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Windows has better support for the PS4 controller natively now since Steam supports it and the PS4 controller is supported by games as well. @hamzaavvan I appreciate it, like I said I may come back to this at some point, but life has made me very busy. I haven't even logged into this account for months. 😢 |
Only works with v2 version, the original doesn't show up. |
@vgturtle127 I can understand |
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topic live) |
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Haven't you guys seen this yet?: https://www.psdevwiki.com/ps4/DS4-BT This page seems to detail everything about the packet formats received/transmitted by the DS4 and yes, it lists it as a gamepad and audio device separately (see Class of Device). I even came across a section 0x14 marked 'Contains sound', apparently uses SBC codec to encode audio. SBC never gave me lag-less audio on smartphone games but if the DS4 is operating at a higher baud rate than BT headphones, near instant audio might be possible on the DS4 making it even more valuable than a dedicated BT headphone |
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@vgturtle127 |
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@xillmera Thanks for that, I'll take a look at it. Most of that information is available via the PS4 dev wiki and other links already posted though. |
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That's indeed a link that was already posted in this very thread |
and others
Please considering working in this direction at some point, if it is at all possible. Would be incredibly useful, especially over Bluetooth.
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