Nomi CEu HM Changes [Add to this with HM QB Issues!] #367

GGabrielDev · 2023-05-25T01:17:01Z

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1.6.1-beta-2

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GGabrielDev · 2023-05-25T01:20:46Z

Issue

A note on the Genesis Book: could you change it so it doesn't seem like is mandatory to go with RF generation and converters to EU? GregTech has LV Steam Turbines so actually RF to EU conversion is not mandatory.

Maybe is more obvious in HM 'cuz you go through the Steam Age and you actually have chance to NOT go the RF route, but is kinda annoying that I'm making the turbine and the converter because is mandatory to progress (even though I already set up High Pressure boilers, which the questbook does mention and LV Steam Turbines for generation), not because I'm actually using them.

Solution

Like my suggestion would be that you could have two routes to unlock the remaining part of the quests. One using the TF Steam Boiler, EnderIO conduits and converters, and the other one with GT Boilers and Steam Turbines. For completition later in the game, the player can just make the option they skipped, but is good to have the choice at the start where the resources are limited.

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IntegerLimit · 2023-05-25T11:31:00Z

I'll fix the genesis thing in 1.6.1. Further issues, if their small, 1.6.1, else, 1.7.

IntegerLimit · 2023-05-25T12:29:55Z

Issue

A note on the Genesis Book: could you change it so it doesn't seem like is mandatory to go with RF generation and converters to EU? GregTech has LV Steam Turbines so actually RF to EU conversion is not mandatory.

Maybe is more obvious in HM 'cuz you go through the Steam Age and you actually have chance to NOT go the RF route, but is kinda annoying that I'm making the turbine and the converter because is mandatory to progress (even though I already set up High Pressure boilers, which the questbook does mention and LV Steam Turbines for generation), not because I'm actually using them.

Solution

Like my suggestion would be that you could have two routes to unlock the remaining part of the quests. One using the TF Steam Boiler, EnderIO conduits and converters, and the other one with GT Boilers and Steam Turbines. For completition later in the game, the player can just make the option they skipped, but is good to have the choice at the start where the resources are limited.

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Doing for HM, not really applicable for NM, as I think they are removed, apart from the multis.

Addresses #367 (comment).

GGabrielDev · 2023-05-25T15:41:53Z

I'll fix the genesis thing in 1.6.1. Further issues, if their small, 1.6.1, else, 1.7.

Noted. I'll keep my observations along the playthrough regarding the Quest Book and gameplay here.

GGabrielDev · 2023-05-28T16:20:29Z

Sugguestion

Not really related to HM, but because I have this issue already open, I guess I can just mention this here but: Is there a chance to get the Hand Framing Tool from DJ2 ported into Nomi? Is funny because they ported it from NomiCEu in the first place, but... Their implementation is more comftable and convenient (No, is not funny to load the actual one with sticks to use it)

GGabrielDev · 2023-05-28T16:23:35Z

Issue

It seems kind of odd than even if we have the LV Converters quest accept all kinds of converters, the LV Batteries one enforces it to be a x4 Battery Bank.

Solution

Make the quest so it accepts any type of LV Battery Bank. I think the quest that relates for the batteries is still fine if it requires 4 empty batteries, because that would be the minimum amount that you can get inside any bank regardless.

IntegerLimit · 2023-05-29T12:18:28Z

Sugguestion

Not really related to HM, but because I have this issue already open, I guess I can just mention this here but: Is there a chance to get the Hand Framing Tool from DJ2 ported into Nomi? Is funny because they ported it from NomiCEu in the first place, but... Their implementation is more comftable and convenient (No, is not funny to load the actual one with sticks to use it)

Oh, so like remove the stick requirement, and just allow turning drawers into framed for free? Sure!

GGabrielDev · 2023-06-05T11:24:28Z

The quest #76 - The First Tier Two Circuits needs its description changed to match HM.

GGabrielDev · 2023-06-05T11:27:18Z

Also, I just noticed that in HM, the quest for the Creative Chest is still called Creative Vending Upgrade, lmao.

IntegerLimit · 2023-06-05T23:25:57Z

Ah, thanks, I replaced all the mentions of that in NM, but I must have forgot to do it in HM.

GGabrielDev · 2023-06-06T10:44:13Z

The quest #94 - Sulfuric Acid doesn't count Glass Vials, so even thought gh I'm holding the sulfuric acid inside of them, I can't complete the quest.

You can still use a bucket to complete it, but I presume it should work with Vials as well...

Edit: I also think that just adding to the quest that you need to have the liquid in a bucket to complete it could be a workaround, but I don't like it.

IntegerLimit · 2023-06-06T11:38:03Z

Hmm... maybe its because the quest is still using old format. Do other quests work with vials?

GGabrielDev · 2023-06-06T12:13:21Z

Pretty sure I tried before with Hydrochloric Acid with no luck as well. Also, I would like to mention that in the CP pack does work, so maybe is something related with the quest themselves.

IntegerLimit · 2023-06-07T00:47:25Z

Thank you for your testing.

GGabrielDev · 2023-06-09T21:36:09Z

Not exclusive to HM, but the quest #789 - Filters doesn't explain the Ore Dict Filter at all. There's the quest #788 - Smart Item Filters that explains the previously mention type of filter, but the Ore Dict Filter is left out of the loop, and considering that Ore Dict Filtering is relevant in the pack in multiple instances (Being the Ore Processing Line the most noticeable one), I think it should have a mention somewhere.

IntegerLimit · 2023-06-12T12:34:44Z

Not exclusive to HM, but the quest #789 - Filters doesn't explain the Ore Dict Filter at all. There's the quest #788 - Smart Item Filters that explains the previously mention type of filter, but the Ore Dict Filter is left out of the loop, and considering that Ore Dict Filtering is relevant in the pack in multiple instances (Being the Ore Processing Line the most noticeable one), I think it should have a mention somewhere.

Hmm... which one of these two do you think is better?
A: combine quests into one massive filter quest
B: quest for each filter
C: seperate quest for ore-dict filter, similar to smart filter quest
D: further mention ore-dict filter in smart filter quest

GGabrielDev · 2023-06-12T23:55:55Z

Not exclusive to HM, but the quest #789 - Filters doesn't explain the Ore Dict Filter at all. There's the quest #788 - Smart Item Filters that explains the previously mention type of filter, but the Ore Dict Filter is left out of the loop, and considering that Ore Dict Filtering is relevant in the pack in multiple instances (Being the Ore Processing Line the most noticeable one), I think it should have a mention somewhere.

Hmm... which one of these two do you think is better? A: combine quests into one massive filter quest B: quest for each filter C: seperate quest for ore-dict filter, similar to smart filter quest D: further mention ore-dict filter in smart filter quest

I would go with the same approach they took on CP and make one quest for each: Normal Item/Fluid Filters, Smart Item Filters and Ore Dict Item Filters.

IntegerLimit · 2023-06-13T04:59:55Z

Not exclusive to HM, but the quest #789 - Filters doesn't explain the Ore Dict Filter at all. There's the quest #788 - Smart Item Filters that explains the previously mention type of filter, but the Ore Dict Filter is left out of the loop, and considering that Ore Dict Filtering is relevant in the pack in multiple instances (Being the Ore Processing Line the most noticeable one), I think it should have a mention somewhere.

Hmm... which one of these two do you think is better? A: combine quests into one massive filter quest B: quest for each filter C: seperate quest for ore-dict filter, similar to smart filter quest D: further mention ore-dict filter in smart filter quest

I would go with the same approach they took on CP and make one quest for each: Normal Item/Fluid Filters, Smart Item Filters and Ore Dict Item Filters.

Sounds good.

IntegerLimit · 2023-06-18T00:17:16Z

Also, I just noticed that in HM, the quest for the Creative Chest is still called Creative Vending Upgrade, lmao.

Fixed that and more in 1182ffc.

IntegerLimit · 2023-06-18T00:40:28Z

Sugguestion

Not really related to HM, but because I have this issue already open, I guess I can just mention this here but: Is there a chance to get the Hand Framing Tool from DJ2 ported into Nomi? Is funny because they ported it from NomiCEu in the first place, but... Their implementation is more comftable and convenient (No, is not funny to load the actual one with sticks to use it)

Removed stick requirement in 4e4628f. Lang is being overhauled now.

GGabrielDev · 2023-06-18T07:17:39Z

With Lang you mean the language? Nomi will have multiple languages now?

Edit: Now I'm thinking that you're reviewing the en_en file to correct the questbook :v

IntegerLimit · 2023-06-18T22:13:52Z

I mean the JEI description page. Nomi has always had support for English, and mostly supports Chinese.

I'm contacting the Cleanroom Server's Chinese Channel to get a translation.

IntegerLimit · 2023-07-25T06:15:47Z

Ah, I forgot to implement the quest suggestions here for 1.6.1-beta-4. I'll add it to 1.6.1 release.

Preladon · 2023-08-16T07:06:44Z

In HM, the quest 'Glider' in the Genesis page still talks about using coins to buy 'spawn cow' eggs. Given that coins don't exist in HM, suggest this is removed.

IntegerLimit · 2023-08-16T08:57:59Z

Ok, Thanks!

Preladon · 2023-08-19T19:07:27Z

Another minor text change - the Actually Additions drill core has a tool tip that says you can purchase it for Nomicoins

IntegerLimit · 2023-08-25T12:14:05Z

Another minor text change - the Actually Additions drill core has a tool tip that says you can purchase it for Nomicoins

Thanks

IntegerLimit · 2023-08-27T03:24:06Z

The quest #94 - Sulfuric Acid doesn't count Glass Vials, so even thought gh I'm holding the sulfuric acid inside of them, I can't complete the quest.

You can still use a bucket to complete it, but I presume it should work with Vials as well...

Edit: I also think that just adding to the quest that you need to have the liquid in a bucket to complete it could be a workaround, but I don't like it.

BQu Problem

IntegerLimit · 2023-08-27T03:24:26Z

In HM, the quest 'Glider' in the Genesis page still talks about using coins to buy 'spawn cow' eggs. Given that coins don't exist in HM, suggest this is removed.

Fixed with 9530768.

IntegerLimit · 2023-08-27T03:25:13Z

Issue

It seems kind of odd than even if we have the LV Converters quest accept all kinds of converters, the LV Batteries one enforces it to be a x4 Battery Bank.

Solution

Make the quest so it accepts any type of LV Battery Bank. I think the quest that relates for the batteries is still fine if it requires 4 empty batteries, because that would be the minimum amount that you can get inside any bank regardless.

Will be done in 1.7.

IntegerLimit · 2023-08-27T03:26:52Z

The quest #76 - The First Tier Two Circuits needs its description changed to match HM.

Can you give a larger description?

IntegerLimit · 2023-08-27T03:27:04Z

Not exclusive to HM, but the quest #789 - Filters doesn't explain the Ore Dict Filter at all. There's the quest #788 - Smart Item Filters that explains the previously mention type of filter, but the Ore Dict Filter is left out of the loop, and considering that Ore Dict Filtering is relevant in the pack in multiple instances (Being the Ore Processing Line the most noticeable one), I think it should have a mention somewhere.

For 1.7.

IntegerLimit · 2023-08-27T03:41:46Z

Another minor text change - the Actually Additions drill core has a tool tip that says you can purchase it for Nomicoins

Fixed with 3d3f3d6

Nuc-En · 2023-08-27T10:36:47Z

Some things in the QB that could be changed:

1. Steam production - Make any boiler to be accepted, no reason to make just a small bronze one
2. To the Nether - doesn't need a PBF
3. LV Power Storage - you can get Lithium at LV via Lepidolite centrifuging 
4. LV assembling machine - doesn't need extractor and can be useful even without one
5. Machine controllers - shouldn't need aluminium
6. Ore Processing for Byproducts - maybe it's worth to mention that Chem Bath can help with the initial lack of gold since not many people even think about it, but still complain?
7. Vanadium pentoxide and Vanadiumsteel quests are outdated
8. Dark steel enchanter can be made MUCH earlier, not MV, but even pre-tier
9. I don't get why small microverse projector requires a HV hatch
10. Quantum Flux extractor recipe is inneeded
11. Idk, maybe rename the "Deuterium" quest since it talks about the moon overall and there is even another quest that asks for specifically deuterium?
12. Omnium quest states number of 487 instead of 486

That's all for now I guess

Preladon · 2023-09-01T20:30:28Z

The quest #76 - The First Tier Two Circuits needs its description changed to match HM.

Can you give a larger description?

Not the original author, but just arrived here myself, and noted that (in HM), it still says 'requires two Tier One Circuits plus two diodes' but it actually needs three Tier One Circuits.

Preladon · 2023-09-03T09:29:32Z

In my HM playthrough, I've noticed that villages can generate with Bounty Boards. Whilst the widget items required to complete these have had their crafting recipes removed, it's possible to get bounties for things like LV components. Crafting these, and turning them into the bounty board grants Nomipennies and Nominickels, which have no value in HM.

Additionally, it would appear that it's possible to still craft bounty boards, so even if you don't find a village, it's possible to get coins that you can never use.

IntegerLimit · 2023-09-07T11:44:57Z

In my HM playthrough, I've noticed that villages can generate with Bounty Boards. Whilst the widget items required to complete these have had their crafting recipes removed, it's possible to get bounties for things like LV components. Crafting these, and turning them into the bounty board grants Nomipennies and Nominickels, which have no value in HM.

Additionally, it would appear that it's possible to still craft bounty boards, so even if you don't find a village, it's possible to get coins that you can never use.

Ah, will be fixed in next update (hopefully).

IntegerLimit · 2023-09-07T11:45:06Z

The quest #76 - The First Tier Two Circuits needs its description changed to match HM.

Can you give a larger description?

Not the original author, but just arrived here myself, and noted that (in HM), it still says 'requires two Tier One Circuits plus two diodes' but it actually needs three Tier One Circuits.

Thanks

[HM] Mentioned two Tier One Circuits, actually three. [NM] Removed unneeded colouring. Addresses part of #367.

IntegerLimit · 2023-09-07T11:57:46Z

The quest #76 - The First Tier Two Circuits needs its description changed to match HM.

Fixed with 1a35ae8.

Preladon · 2023-09-19T18:27:50Z

The quest 'Phosphoric Acid' in the chapter 'Into The Microverse' has a description that shows a number of ways of making it. The first of these is 'Phosphorous, Oxygen and Water can be chemically reacted to produce Phosphoric Acid'.

However, at least in HM, this is only true if you use a Large Chemical Reactor, it cannot be done in the single block version (presumably deliberately...). It'd be good to update the quest description to differentiate this, I think.

IntegerLimit · 2023-09-20T23:09:36Z

The quest 'Phosphoric Acid' in the chapter 'Into The Microverse' has a description that shows a number of ways of making it. The first of these is 'Phosphorous, Oxygen and Water can be chemically reacted to produce Phosphoric Acid'.

However, at least in HM, this is only true if you use a Large Chemical Reactor, it cannot be done in the single block version (presumably deliberately...). It'd be good to update the quest description to differentiate this, I think.

Thanks!

tracer4b · 2023-10-21T09:25:17Z

Some things in the QB that could be changed:

1. Steam production - Make any boiler to be accepted, no reason to make just a small bronze one
2. To the Nether - doesn't need a PBF
3. LV Power Storage - you can get Lithium at LV via Lepidolite centrifuging 
4. LV assembling machine - doesn't need extractor and can be useful even without one
5. Machine controllers - shouldn't need aluminium
6. Ore Processing for Byproducts - maybe it's worth to mention that Chem Bath can help with the initial lack of gold since not many people even think about it, but still complain?
7. Vanadium pentoxide and Vanadiumsteel quests are outdated
8. Dark steel enchanter can be made MUCH earlier, not MV, but even pre-tier
9. I don't get why small microverse projector requires a HV hatch
10. Quantum Flux extractor recipe is inneeded
11. Idk, maybe rename the "Deuterium" quest since it talks about the moon overall and there is even another quest that asks for specifically deuterium?
12. Omnium quest states number of 487 instead of 486

That's all for now I guess

For points 2 and 8, yes you can get them by looting chests but I don't want to assume everyone plays in lost cities or bothers to explore them.
For point 9 - HV output bus is required to handle the outputs of T1-3 ore missions

See Description (#470). [EXPAND] [[messages]] messageTitle = "Fixes QB Issues in [#367](#367)" messageBody = "[QB]" [[messages]] messageTitle = "Reworded and Cleared Up Fluid Rig Quest" messageBody = "[QB]" [[messages]] messageTitle = "Allow Brewery Quest to accept up to IV Tier" messageBody = "[QB]\n[NM]" [[messages]] messageTitle = "Allow LV Battery Buffer Quest to accept any Battery Buffer" messageBody = "[QB]\n[NM]" [[messages]] messageTitle = "Allow Steam Production Quest to accept any Steam Boiler" messageBody = "[QB]\n[HM]" [[messages]] messageTitle = "Fix Titanium Tetrachloride Quest requiring a Bucket" messageBody = "[QB]" [[messages]] messageTitle = "Allow Macerating Charcoal Blocks" messageBody = "[FEATURE]\n[QOL]" [[messages]] messageTitle = "Add GT Machine Recipes for some Crafting Components" messageBody = "[FEATURE]\n[QOL]" [EXPAND] Co-authored-by: IntegerLimit <103940576+IntegerLimit@users.noreply.github.com>

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Allow for getting Primer on Power without RF power [HM]

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[QB] Fix Description of The First Tier Two Circuits Quest

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[HM] Mentioned two Tier One Circuits, actually three. [NM] Removed unneeded colouring. Addresses part of #367.

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Nomi CEu HM Changes [Add to this with HM QB Issues!] #367

Nomi CEu HM Changes [Add to this with HM QB Issues!] #367

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