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| Trevor Sullivan 9:31 AM: | ||
| What happened to the attendee list in Skype for Business? | ||
| Trevor Sullivan 9:32 AM: | ||
| Oh there's a different tab now. | ||
| Prasoon(kvprasoon) 9:32 AM: | ||
| @Trevor ? | ||
| Edwin Young 9:32 AM: | ||
| all looks ok here | ||
| Trevor Sullivan 9:32 AM: | ||
| Mac version of S4B changed | ||
| Trevor Sullivan 9:33 AM: | ||
| AWS Lambda supports PowerShell Core now :) | ||
| Friedrich Weinmann 9:33 AM: | ||
| The string cmdlet RFC | ||
| Joel Bennett 9:34 AM: | ||
| working for me | ||
| Edin Zbanic 9:34 AM: | ||
| Yes | ||
| Trevor Sullivan 9:34 AM: | ||
| https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/developer/announcing-lambda-support-for-powershell-core/ | ||
| Keith Hill 9:34 AM: | ||
| yes | ||
| Ackerman, Sean 9:34 AM: | ||
| yes | ||
| Friedrich Weinmann 9:34 AM: | ||
| see just fine :) | ||
| Friedrich Weinmann 9:35 AM: | ||
| yes | ||
| Staffan (PowerCode) 9:35 AM: | ||
| The RFC is bigger in scope than Join-String | ||
| Trevor Sullivan 9:35 AM: | ||
| I know there's been some asks about PowerShell Core on Amazon Linux ... is there still a blocker on that? | ||
| Ackerman, Sean 9:36 AM: | ||
| yes | ||
| Anderson, Drew 9:36 AM: | ||
| yes | ||
| Keith Hill 9:37 AM: | ||
| no | ||
| Tyler Leonhardt (POWERSHELL) 9:38 AM: | ||
| 👋 | ||
| Ackerman, Sean 9:38 AM: | ||
| yep | ||
| Darwin Sanoy 9:39 AM: | ||
| install-powershell.sh should be able to install on Amazon Linux | ||
| Trevor Sullivan 9:39 AM: | ||
| Upgrade to 6.1 went smoothly. Also updated the Homebrew for Mac package. | ||
| Keith Hill 9:39 AM: | ||
| Which list is smaller? Modules that work w/6.1 or those that don't? | ||
| Trevor Sullivan 9:39 AM: | ||
| Cool, thanks Darwin. | ||
| Trevor Sullivan 9:40 AM: | ||
| I'm unfortunately not tied in with regular development of PowerShell Core ... do we have any unit tests around chunked HTTP responses? I know this is rather nuanced, but ran into it last night. https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/issues/7824 | ||
| Ryan Yates 9:45 AM: | ||
| docathons for hacktoberfest??? | ||
| Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 9:45 AM: | ||
| (y) | ||
| Tyler Leonhardt (POWERSHELL) 9:46 AM: | ||
| yesss | ||
| Trevor Sullivan 9:46 AM: | ||
| Good job, Mark! | ||
| Staffan (PowerCode) 9:46 AM: | ||
| What! That's silly1 | ||
| Tyler Leonhardt (POWERSHELL) 9:46 AM: | ||
| Mark is the true PowerShell Standard ;) | ||
| Staffan (PowerCode) 9:48 AM: | ||
| Can we add some templates for help? Or does it already exist? | ||
| Staffan (PowerCode) 9:48 AM: | ||
| Sure, but I was asked to write the docs for join-string... | ||
| Staffan (PowerCode) 9:49 AM: | ||
| :D | ||
| MaxTrinidad(PSMVP) 9:50 AM: | ||
| Out-Gridview alternatives!! :) | ||
| Friedrich Weinmann 9:51 AM: | ||
| Enumerations? | ||
| MaxTrinidad(PSMVP) 9:51 AM: | ||
| Updated SDK!! | ||
| Staffan (PowerCode) 9:52 AM: | ||
| Even more promising is looking at derived PSObjects. | ||
| Edwin Young 9:54 AM: | ||
| If you're going to Ignite 2018 this is a handy primer on the powershell content. https://cda.ms/FR | ||
| Michael Lombardi 9:54 AM: | ||
| \o/ | ||
| Staffan (PowerCode) 9:55 AM: | ||
| Can you gauge the quality of all these in some way? Are they tested? | ||
| MaxTrinidad(PSMVP) 9:56 AM: | ||
| Cool!! | ||
| Prasoon(kvprasoon) 9:58 AM: | ||
| S 2019 with DSC v1.0, ??, isn't it the same as LCM version ? | ||
| if so t should be 2.0 | ||
| MaxTrinidad(PSMVP) 10:00 AM: | ||
| Can it support SQL Server backend on Linux? :P | ||
| Joel Bennett 10:00 AM: | ||
| publishing | ||
| Edwin Young 10:01 AM: | ||
| you need 1.6.7+ to publish to new gallery | ||
| Friedrich Weinmann 10:01 AM: | ||
| not really for me | ||
| Edwin Young 10:01 AM: | ||
| not 2.0.0 | ||
| Keith Hill 10:02 AM: | ||
| Yes, very highly desired feature! | ||
| Friedrich Weinmann 10:02 AM: | ||
| Been fixing that for years with: | ||
| $PSDefaultParameterValue | ||
| Will not have any impact whatsoever for me :) | ||
| Joel Bennett 10:02 AM: | ||
| The major feature in 2.0 is that it falls back to user scope installs automatically when run not-elevated | ||
| Joel Bennett 10:03 AM: | ||
| It's not a HUGE breaking change | ||
| Joel Bennett 10:03 AM: | ||
| But it's a change. | ||
| Joel Bennett 10:03 AM: | ||
| In fact, maybe it's not a "breaking" change? | ||
| Keith Hill 10:03 AM: | ||
| Yeah, the pkgmgnt/psget update process is a bit of a pain. | ||
| Brandon Lundt 10:03 AM: | ||
| Whatever it would break would be worth it to me. | ||
| Prasoon(kvprasoon) 10:04 AM: | ||
| Agree with @joel, its not hug, but adds lots of benfit | ||
| Joel Bennett 10:04 AM: | ||
| The only way it affects CI is if someone is *testing* the fact that it fails? | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:04 AM: | ||
| Personally I would like to see it in there in a servicing release as ideally I would have liked to see it in the 6.1 release | ||
| Darwin Sanoy 10:04 AM: | ||
| Any status on an official MS Chocolatey feed? | ||
| Keith Hill 10:04 AM: | ||
| If admin I thought it used global scope? | ||
| Keith Hill 10:05 AM: | ||
| Ah, perhaps that was on Windows PS. | ||
| Joel Bennett 10:06 AM: | ||
| Yeah, Keith, that's what I thought ;-) | ||
| Staffan (PowerCode) 10:06 AM: | ||
| Related: will Install-Module be fixed? So that -Force will work without the -SkipPublisher -AllowClobber -AcceptLicense -AllowPrerelease madness? | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:06 AM: | ||
| but it needs to be in an Admin shell no | ||
| Joey Aiello 10:07 AM: | ||
| @Ryan: yes | ||
| Joel Bennett 10:07 AM: | ||
| @Staffan: not really | ||
| Darwin Sanoy 10:07 AM: | ||
| How about a new switch "-JustDoItDammit" | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:07 AM: | ||
| No more switches like ^^ | ||
| Brandon Lundt 10:07 AM: | ||
| -SrslyYesPlease ? | ||
| Keith Hill 10:08 AM: | ||
| How about a "-DoItDamnIt" param? | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:08 AM: | ||
| No more switches like ^^ please | ||
| Staffan (PowerCode) 10:08 AM: | ||
| -Force should, according do JS, mean 'Just F*$#ing do it' | ||
| Joel Bennett 10:09 AM: | ||
| To note taker, correction: "in PS Core it defaults to `CurrentUser` irrespective of whether you're ELEVATED" | ||
| Keith Hill 10:09 AM: | ||
| At the very least, it should exclude the clobber warnings on installing/updating the built-in pckgmngt/psget modules. | ||
| Joey Aiello 10:09 AM: | ||
| @Keith: THAT we can fix. we need to ship hardcoded PSGet manifests in the "inbox" modules for PS Core | ||
| Keith Hill 10:10 AM: | ||
| +1 | ||
| MaxTrinidad(PSMVP) 10:10 AM: | ||
| +1 | ||
| Friedrich Weinmann 10:10 AM: | ||
| I use -Force -SkipPublisherCheck on each dependency install on Azure DevOps. Always. | ||
| Keith Hill 10:11 AM: | ||
| You want it to behave more like npm install? | ||
| MaxTrinidad(PSMVP) 10:11 AM: | ||
| It creates dups modules. Update doesn't work. | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:11 AM: | ||
| it *SHOULD* if the dependency chain is correctly understood in the module manifest | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:12 AM: | ||
| but in PSGet its isnt | ||
| Keith Hill 10:12 AM: | ||
| Oh but without the constant (npm) pkg cache corruption issues :-) | ||
| Friedrich Weinmann 10:12 AM: | ||
| '-Ensure'? I want 'Ensure' as approved Verb ;) | ||
| Felix Becker 10:12 AM: | ||
| Question: Does PowerShellGet support dependencies? I.e. can I declare dependencies on other modules in a module manifest, and have powershellget install them all? | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:12 AM: | ||
| @felix look at AzureRM module | ||
| Edwin Young 10:12 AM: | ||
| @felix, yes\ | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:12 AM: | ||
| that shows dependancies | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:13 AM: | ||
| but one problem is downloading AzureRM.Profile for each dependant module in the chain of AzureRM module | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:14 AM: | ||
| or did when I looked into this ages ago | ||
| Staffan (PowerCode) 10:14 AM: | ||
| I use that a lot, but it breaks down if different module need different versions of a dependent module. | ||
| Friedrich Weinmann 10:14 AM: | ||
| RequiredVersion is a pest | ||
| Edwin Young 10:14 AM: | ||
| @ryan, we should only download a dependency once | ||
| Joey Aiello 10:14 AM: | ||
| @Staffan: ^ that's what I was trying to say, just can't articulate the specifics | ||
| Felix Becker 10:16 AM: | ||
| I’m spoiled by node/npm | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:16 AM: | ||
| Why a new repo? | ||
| Tyler Leonhardt (POWERSHELL) 10:16 AM: | ||
| node/npm has a nice hybrid model of local & global dependencies/modules/utilities | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:17 AM: | ||
| Is this for the choco package of pscore on the community feed? or wider that just PSCore | ||
| Joel Bennett 10:17 AM: | ||
| @Staffan: yeah, so Install-Module fail in that instance, but Import-Module might not (if it's not a binary module)? Guess that dependencies need to be handled with -Force 😣 | ||
| Darwin Sanoy 10:18 AM: | ||
| Will source install binaries always be embedded in Microsoft Chocolatey packages? | ||
| Darwin Sanoy 10:18 AM: | ||
| That would rock for curation. | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:18 AM: | ||
| That makes more sense. I think that was what I was missing elsewhere | ||
| Darwin Sanoy 10:18 AM: | ||
| I've chocolatey packages SQL server - so size isn't a challenge. | ||
| Staffan (PowerCode) 10:20 AM: | ||
| For the Join-String cmdlet, I think the only outstanding issue is whether it should support wildcards on properties to join. | ||
| I.E. | ||
| get-childitem | Join-String *Time* | ||
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| I haven't implemented it yet, as I’m not convinced of the usefulness of it. It adds complexity and I’m not convinced it is worth it. | ||
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| Is it valuable? If so when? | ||
| Seems like it would need a different delimiter between properties (as opposed to between records) | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:20 AM: | ||
| That makes more sense. I think that was what I was missing elsewhere and would do you think it likely would include things like VSCode VSEnterprise installers etc? | ||
| Joey Aiello 10:21 AM: | ||
| @Ryan: that's the idea, yes, but it's unclear as to whether it's feasible yet | ||
| Friedrich Weinmann 10:23 AM: | ||
| a pleasure | ||
| Staffan (PowerCode) 10:24 AM: | ||
| I was thinking conceptual complexity more than implementation | ||
| Darwin Sanoy 10:24 AM: | ||
| FYI - unless it has been fixed, chocolatey packages that wrap .MSU's can't run over remoting. FYI - .NET runtime EXE installers do this. | ||
| Darwin Sanoy 10:24 AM: | ||
| It is an .MSU over remoting problem - not chocolatey | ||
| Felix Becker 10:26 AM: | ||
| If I have a question, can I just take over audio? | ||
| Joey Aiello 10:27 AM: | ||
| stevel-msft and travisez123 | ||
| Prasoon(kvprasoon) 10:29 AM: | ||
| There are a bunch of Resolution-Duplicate issues to be closed. | ||
| Prasoon(kvprasoon) 10:30 AM: | ||
| basically Resolution-* issues | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:31 AM: | ||
| RE stalebot | ||
| Tyler Leonhardt (POWERSHELL) 10:31 AM: | ||
| +1 :) | ||
| Ackerman, Sean 10:31 AM: | ||
| yeah have a whole team going | ||
| Friedrich Weinmann 10:31 AM: | ||
| :'( | ||
| Joey Aiello 10:31 AM: | ||
| https://aka.ms/PowerShellAtIgnite | ||
| Prasoon(kvprasoon) 10:32 AM: | ||
| not f0r ignite, | ||
| any for psconf.asia ? | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:32 AM: | ||
| I'm not really a fan on it as it can hide long running issues like 1979 | ||
| Friedrich Weinmann 10:32 AM: | ||
| Will be at PSConfAsia | ||
| Ryan Yates 10:32 AM: | ||
| Issue 1979 that is | ||
| MaxTrinidad(PSMVP) 10:32 AM: | ||
| Woohoo! Me | ||
| Prasoon(kvprasoon) 10:33 AM: | ||
| $Thankyou all !!!! | ||
| MaxTrinidad(PSMVP) 10:33 AM: | ||
| Thanks Everyone!! Bye!! |
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| # PowerShell Core Community Call - September 20, 2018 | ||
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| ## Agenda | ||
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| * PowerShell Core 6.1 GA | ||
| * what's landing in October 2018 Update / Server 2019 | ||
| * missing list of modules | ||
| * fundamentals/quality work in 6.2 | ||
| * will continue triaging community PR | ||
| * experimental flags | ||
| * process for adding/removing them? | ||
| * inactivity? | ||
| * DSC roadmap blog | ||
| * string cmdlet RFC | ||
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| ## Notes | ||
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| * PowerShell Core 6.1 GA | ||
| * [link to blogpost](https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/powershell/2018/09/13/announcing-powershell-core-6-1/) | ||
| * 70% of cmdlets, ~65% of modules | ||
| * The preview train that `6.1.0-rc` is on will be updated to `6.2.0-preview.1` when it is released | ||
| * PowerShell Core 6.2 GA | ||
| * quality/fundamentals milestone | ||
| * focus is on release automation | ||
| * engineering team will backfill documentation | ||
| * going forward, PRs will require documentation to merge | ||
| * engineering will help out as much as possible, but community contributions are highly appreciated | ||
| * [help contribute!](https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/blob/master/.github/CONTRIBUTING.md) | ||
| * [contribute to PowerShell-Docs too!](https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell-Docs/blob/staging/CONTRIBUTING.md) | ||
| * experimental feature flags | ||
| * need to define a criteria for accepting and expiring/deprecating experimental features | ||
| * [DSC roadmap blog](https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/powershell/2018/09/13/desired-state-configuration-dsc-planning-update-september-2018/) | ||
| * 1300+ DSC resources in the PS Gallery | ||
| * minor overlap due to phasing out of `xFoo` naming terminology | ||
| * lots of these coming from independent repos in the community | ||
| * "new DSC v2 platform" | ||
| * being used in Azure services | ||
| * slipped summer ETA for open sourcing this code | ||
| * no new ETA today, keep your eyes peeled | ||
| * Server 2019 DSC "v1" new features | ||
| * pull server supports SQL server as a backend | ||
| * can also tune Esent database perf | ||
| * first security update for DSC | ||
| * issues with temp configuration files | ||
| * how to gauge the quality of DSC resources | ||
| * base set of tests that get added to every community repo, including a badge for compliance | ||
| * Michael to look for Server 2019 LCM version | ||
| * PowerShellGet 2.0 in PS Core 6.1.1? | ||
| * in PS Core, it defaults to `CurrentUser` irrespective of whether you're elevated | ||
| * technically a breaking change, may not make sense to ship in a servicing release | ||
| * `-SkipPublisher -AllowClobber -AcceptLicense -AllowPrerelease` madness? | ||
| * we would like to do *something* about this, but we're not exactly sure *what* to do or *when* | ||
| * `-Force` is reinstalling when it doesn't need to | ||
| * would be awesome to support basic `PSDepends` functionality in PowerShellGet | ||
| * module manifest dependency chains break down with too many levels of depth, too many specific versions, and duplicate modules already installed on the box (w/ the wrong version) | ||
| * specifying a PSRepository should possibly implicitly trust the repo | ||
| * Chocolatey discussion | ||
| * Microsoft-official Chocolatey repo for Microsoft applications is still just a brainstorm idea | ||
| * no plans to implement right now | ||
| * explicit credentials are required for MSU installation over remoting | ||
| * string cmdlet RFC | ||
| * set of cmdlets that would replace a lot of the string operators | ||
| * PS Committee/Team will prioritize a cmdlet review and provide feedback back to Friedrich to help get this included in PS Core 6.2 | ||
| * look into `Join-String` conflict | ||
| * should ensure going forward that we mark bugs as `Issue-Bug` | ||
| * e.g. https://github.com/powershell/powershell/issues/5983 | ||
| * look through `Resolution-*` (especially `Resolution-Duplicate` and close old ones) |
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