Honur ze Tradishiuns

[gooh]

The following rules need to be added:

Chatroom Do's

• on Fridays - and only on Fridays - you must honor Rebecca Black. To that end, post a link to the gospel, e.g. to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0 unless it was already posted. If the gospel was already posted, you are strongly encouraged to star it to express your worship.

Chatroom Don'ts

• Worshipping Rebecca Black on any other day of the week but Friday is considered <blink>blasphemy</blink>. If you see a heretic commit this horrible act of blasphemy, flag the heretic (no mod flags though)!

[bwoebi]

👎 for chatroom Do's.

👍 for chatroom Don'ts. But the video also shouldn't be allowed on Fridays.

[MadaraUchiha]

Respectfully declined.

[J7mbo]

I think this is a good idea. Stop being such a spoilsport Madara :P

[MadaraUchiha]

SILENCE! I KILL YOU!

On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 5:00 PM, James Mallison notifications@github.com
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I think this is a good idea. Stop being such a spoilsport Madara :P

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[gooh]

This tradition existed long before you two joined the chat. People love it. It's not for you alone to decide.

[bwoebi]

It's still no chatroom rule/guideline/whatever.

[gooh]

The process to include new Dos and Don'ts states:

After discussing it in the issue list, and getting a relative consensus, feel free to add your DO or DON'T.

I don't see a discussion, nor a relative consensus here. There is at least two people that think this tradition should be honored and institutionalized. You two are acting like tyrants and abuse your closing power. This is inacceptable.

[MadaraUchiha]

⛔ 🚫 🙅 👎 ‼️

[bwoebi]

I'm not a tyrant, just using common sense.

[MadaraUchiha]

You want arguments?

• It's not professional.
• Some of us work on fridays.
• It annoys at least 2 users
• That song is absolutely and royally horrible. If I wanted to torture
  someone, I'd stick him in a room bind his hands, and blast that song
  through his ears with a $5000 headset.
• I personally don't like this so called tradition.

Find something more productive to do with your time, and all of our times.
This mantra gets repeated every single friday, it was fun at first, but now
it's only irritating, not much more.

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The process to include new Dos and Don'ts states:

After discussing it in the issue list, and getting a relative consensus,
feel free to add your DO or DON'T.

I don't see a discussion, nor a relative consensus here. There is at least
two people that think this tradition should be honored and
institutionalized. You two are acting like tyrants and abuse your closing
power. This is inacceptable.

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[gooh]

It's not professional.

Since when does the chat have to be professional?

Some of us work on fridays.

Then why do you spend your time in a chatroom that's not work related at all?

• It annoys at least 2 users

So does pretending to be a character from a cartoon.

That song is absolutely and royally horrible …

then don't click the link

• I personally don't like this so called tradition.

That's okay. But other people do.

[MadaraUchiha]

Since when does the chat have to be professional?

Since we decided we don't like GIFs in the room and started binning them all.

Then why do you spend your time in a chatroom that's not work related at all?

Because some of us need the advice from the room. It's not all fun and games, go to the sandbox for that.

So does pretending to be a character from a cartoon.

Find me two and I'll stop. Be honest.

That song is absolutely and royally horrible …

I don't have to, it instantly replays in my head the moment I see her face.

That's okay. But other people do.

Welcome to democracy!

[gooh]

Since we decided we don't like GIFs in the room and started binning them all.

Gifs are gifs. They are animated. Different thing than a youtube link, even with the preview.

Because some of us need the advice from the room. It's not all fun and games, go to the sandbox for that.

Right, not all fun and games. But not no fun and games either.

Find me two and I'll stop. Be honest.

Count me as the first one. Besides, why do I have to find a second one when "it's not all fun and games"?

I don't have to, it instantly replays in my head the moment I see her face.

Tough luck.

[MadaraUchiha]

You can keep the silly tradition if you want. But it will not be entered to the guidelines. Not as long as I have access to this group. This is not the reason I started this project.

So unless you have some serious arguments why this needs to be in the guideline, stop trolling and please say so.

Like I said, it was fun at first, now it's only irritating, and the fact that you guys keep trolling about it doesn't really help your cause.

[gooh]

Well, tbh, I was only semi-serious when suggesting it (which should be obvious from the spelling in the title). But if you want serious arguments: adding it would add an element of humor and make the guidelines look less rules-y. And after all, it is a tradition and an essential meme of the room (whether you like it or not), so it would add a bit of identity.

[bwoebi]

Well, I remember we decided to not use humour in the guidelines...

Also, it is not a tradition, it's just something a few people do, not most. It sucks.

[salathe]

LGTM! 👍

So there are some dissenting voices, that's fine. We can't always agree. Just know that there are also some assenting voices, mine included. I'd love for the light-hearted Friday tradition to be incorporated into the do's and don'ts list.

On a technical note, the proposed text is perhaps too verbose. Could you refactor into something shorter, or at least split the text to include a main sentence and some additional text (like we have for a few already).

Thanks for the suggestion, Gordon. 😺

P.S. Re-opening because it is abundantly clear that there is no "relative consensus" ¹ yet.

[krakjoe]

I don't see the problem with adding it, bit verbose is all as mentioned ... it's a bit silly to call it unprofessional ...

[J7mbo]

On the "unprofessional" bit - I think that in Software Engineering we're blessed by being able to have senses of humour, not having to wear suits, be 'salesmen' types / fake etc. We can be ourselves, and we should be proud of this!

So when it comes to humour, especially in a chat room, as long as it's not bad we should enjoy it. Nothing wrong with a bit of informality - that's why we call them guidelines, not rules.

Important Guideline - only click this on Friday

[almadomundo]

Honestly. We should add the button which posts Rebecca's link (only if it's Friday). I'm tired to type it with my hands each Friday. We should add that to snippets as well.

[J7mbo]

Yes. A plugin which is only activated if:

• It's Friday
• It hasn't already been posted

It's auto-top-starred. Only on a Friday. TRADISHUNS.

[DaveRandom]

OK so...

First of all the day that room 11 becomes "professional" will be the day that everyone might as well stop showing up and go do some actual work instead.

Secondly, I personally have no problem with one or two tongue-in-cheek "rules" (remembering that they are not actually rules). Keeping the whole thing deadly serious is likely to make any newbies reading the document think that we are even unfriendlier than we can appear to be. A lot of the time the room is far too clique-y and we have a tendency to scare people away. I'm not pointing any fingers, everyone has been guilty of this at some point.

Thirdly, we are all supposed to be friends, please try and remember that. We are not (or at least, should not be) a democracy with complex politics and a chain of command. We are also not an extension of the PHP group and we do not need to behave like the more unsavoury elements of same.

Lastly, while I have no problem with the proposal in principle, I agree with @salathe that the proposed wording is too verbose, it is also a little bit too mandatory sounding (I refer you to the previous point about frightening newbies).

[MFFoX]

+1 completely agree with @DaveRandom

[hakre]

+1 from me as well - if that wasn't obvious expected already.

[ghost]

+1 for Rebecca Black cult worship ⛪

[ghost]

Since it looks like you boys are done pushing each other around on the playground, I think I'll go ahead and close this. =oP

Any legitimate objections, feel free to reopen

[J7mbo]

Wait, when was a consensus reached that this shouldn't be included? Reading everyone's opinions, it looked like there was a majority in favour of inclusion :-)

[ghost]

These "Do's" and "Don'ts" are not rules, but rather guidelines on proper etiquette for the PHP Chatroom. Following them helps keeps the room clutter free, user friendly, and reduces annoyances.

That being the case. This would be considered by most as an annoyance. I'm all for it, but in light of the fact that Room 11 does not just consist of only regulars it would be best to not make it a chat etiquette guideline. But more of a thing someone is free to do, as long as it is not being intrusive to others, and is not something they "should" do according to the Do's and Dont's.

But whatever consensus is wins, so who here is going to start the commit war?