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USA Sentry Drone is immune against toxins #1203

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xezon opened this issue Sep 14, 2022 · 19 comments
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USA Sentry Drone is immune against toxins #1203

xezon opened this issue Sep 14, 2022 · 19 comments
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@xezon
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xezon commented Sep 14, 2022

USA Sentry Drone is immune against toxins. Toxin General cannot attack it with Rebels, Tunnels and Tractors. Is this a problem?

@xezon xezon added Design Is a matter of game design Controversial Is controversial Minor Severity: Minor < Major < Critical < Blocker labels Sep 14, 2022
@Jundiyy
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Jundiyy commented Sep 14, 2022

Please don't fix, will make USA super nerfed... 😂

On a more serious note, I don't think this is a problem. Each unit to their own.

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ImTimK commented Sep 14, 2022

Cool little pro I didn't even know about, but not exactly sure why?

I guess it makes it good at sneaking passed Tox Tunnels, harassing Tox Supplies (similar to Ambulances) or denying Toxin from grabbing/stealing oils? Does MG do enough damage to stop a Toxin Tractor from reaching a Garrison?

Don't see direct reason to nerf it though.

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MTKing4 commented Sep 15, 2022

Good feature, don't remove

@KrewGR
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KrewGR commented Sep 15, 2022

Seems intentional like the ambo.

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commy2 commented Sep 15, 2022

Seems intentional like the ambo.

Why? Makes no sense. Same for Firebase. Immunity prevents units from clicking targets. E.g. Toxin Tractor/Tunnel/Rebel cannot engage at all. Even tanks and buildings other than Firebase can be clicked.

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The sense can be derived from the fact that a Sentry Drone has no pilot to infect.

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commy2 commented Sep 15, 2022

Neither has a Gatling turret or an empty Internet Center, or a snipped Battlemaster, all of which can be targeted by poison weapons.

@Stubbjax
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Yeah, unmanned units don't make as much sense. So you're simply suggesting a 1% damage modifier rather than 0% to make them at least targetable? How about the Ambulance?

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commy2 commented Sep 15, 2022

Probably 50% to match TruckArmor / Humvee. Or at least 25% to match TankArmor.

FireBase should be 1% though like any other building.

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Agree with Firebase. But it equally doesn't make sense that a bio weapon is affecting an unmanned vehicle.

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commy2 commented Sep 15, 2022

That's game design though. "Toxin" really is just a stand in for any sort of chemical weapon like acid. Don't think about it too much.

@Stubbjax
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Exactly, and I find the more interesting design is that they are resistant / immune.

@ImTimK
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ImTimK commented Sep 15, 2022

I also think it kinda makes sense that an unmanned vehicle is resistant vs radiation or chemicals, like NASA drones on Mars are also made to be more resistant vs these kinds of treats. Shouldn't look too much into realism though.

Higher instead of full immunity would also be fine I guess? Maybe tune so that Tox Rebel does same damage as a normal Rebel.

Although I don't see the current state as being problematic. Plus it's nice to have, can this stupid drone have a some nice things atleast lol?

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Jundiyy commented Sep 15, 2022

I'd prefer to add radiation immunity than remove tox one.

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ReLaX82 commented Sep 18, 2022

I think its a bug.

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xezon commented Sep 18, 2022

Sentry Drone cannot crush infantry, so the immunity is less consequential for early Worker harassment around a Tunnel Network. And Toxin General is quite good vs USA, so maybe this immunity is ok to compensate for its stronger Toxin Tunnel vs other USA units?

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xezon commented Jan 15, 2023

Close?

@xezon
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xezon commented Jan 15, 2023

We made Sentry Drone better with change

There is only one other unit that is immune against toxins, and that is the GLA Toxin Tractor.

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MTKing4 commented Jan 15, 2023

Close

@xezon xezon closed this as completed Jan 15, 2023
@xezon xezon added the WontChange This will not be worked on label Jan 18, 2023
@xezon xezon closed this as not planned Won't fix, can't repro, duplicate, stale Jan 18, 2023
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