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dcterms:subject (free-text) #175

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justgo129 opened this issue Jun 23, 2015 · 15 comments
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dcterms:subject (free-text) #175

justgo129 opened this issue Jun 23, 2015 · 15 comments

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@justgo129
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Inspired by the discussion of free-form text strings at:
#150
hence I'm broaching it at this point.

Regarding the use of "attributes" for images, e.g.:
http://data.globalchange.gov/image/ff6a7a8e-d886-4b30-acd7-a3538a787baf

Note that the line beginning with "dcterms:subject" also contains multiple objects.

I can think of the use case where someone wishes to query all images pertaining to "precipitation." As written now at:
http://data.globalchange.gov/image/ff6a7a8e-d886-4b30-acd7-a3538a787baf
(1) Will this image come up given the multiple objects?
(2) If not, could we fix this?

Thanks.

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bduggan commented Jun 23, 2015

  1. Yes, I believe t is possible to construct such a SPARQL query.

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@justgo129
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I'd like to reopen this but don't have the permissions. I'l provide the rationale upon the reopening (it would make it easier to follow on my part).

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bduggan commented Jun 23, 2015

What is the rationale?

@justgo129
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@zednis is it a problem for dcterms:subject to contain multiple objects?
Basically, it's an extension of the discussion in #150 where a similar discussion occurred vis a vis output file names (i.e. splitting them up in the turtle or not).

Once I gain some clarification on it, I am all right with closing.

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zednis commented Jun 24, 2015

Two things:

  1. We should avoid collapsing multiple values into single literals. The property is not intended to reference an embedded collection but a single value. The correct way to do this in RDF is to make multiple RDF statements reusing the property with different values.

  2. dcterms:subject is intended to be used as an object property and not with literal values.

from http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-subject

This term is intended to be used with non-literal values as defined in the DCMI Abstract Model (http://dublincore.org/documents/abstract-model/). As of December 2007, the DCMI Usage Board is seeking a way to express this intention with a formal range declaration.

Most terms in dcterms are intended to be used with non-literal values. This is what separates dublin core terms properties from regular dublin core properties - which are intended to be used with literal values.

Guidance on usage at available at http://wiki.dublincore.org/index.php/User_Guide/Publishing_Metadata#dcterms:subject

The correct representation in RDF for dcterms:subject would be like this:

<http://data.globalchange.gov/image/ff6a7a8e-d886-4b30-acd7-a3538a787baf>
  dcterms:subject <http://data.globalchange.gov/term/Precipitation> ,
                            <http://data.globalchange.gov/term/observed>,
                            <http://data.globalchange.gov/term/global> .

This is why dcterms:subject is usually used to reference an instance of a skos:Concept.

The correct representation in RDF for dc:subject would be like this:

<http://data.globalchange.gov/image/ff6a7a8e-d886-4b30-acd7-a3538a787baf>
  dc:subject "Precipitation"^^xsd:string, 
                   "observed"^^xsd:string, 
                   "global"^^xsd:string .

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zednis commented Jun 24, 2015

@bduggan this issues should be reopened and we should modify your usage of dcterms:subject because it is incorrect.

@bduggan bduggan reopened this Jun 24, 2015
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bduggan commented Jun 24, 2015

I would propose removing dcterms:subject from the rdf. This falls into the larger category of controlled vocabularies which is work in progress. Again, this data was provided as a free form text field, and we do not want to make any assertions about splitting the contents and making URIs for various phrases there.

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zednis commented Jun 24, 2015

I think this information is too important to just drop. What if we have a student work on a post-process to split free-text provided contents into separate text keywords. We can then use either dc:subject or dcterms:subject as mentioned above.

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bduggan commented Jun 24, 2015

The lists in the attributes are not constrained, and there are no definitions. An example: "Precipitation, projections, seasonal, CMIP5, RCP2.6" -- collections of keywords and a model and a scenario. I would argue that treating these as dcterms:subject's is not a good idea -- better would be for the image to be associated with /model/cmip5 and /scenario/rcp2.6. Once we start properly managing controlled vocabularies we will want definitions for each of the terms as well as how they relate to other controlled vocabularies.

I think these lists are important to keep in mind and should help inform our discussions about representing (and curating) controlled vocabularies.

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zednis commented Jun 24, 2015

I don't want to just throw this data out.

I think it makes sense to use dc:subject in the meantime before we have controlled vocabularies fully in use - and it will allow us to support keywords that don't map to a term in a controlled vocabulary.

We should do some data science to post-process the free-text data we have into delimited keywords, but thats why we have students ;-)

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bduggan commented Jun 24, 2015

I'm not so worried about the effort of splitting these up, I'm more worried about making a category mistake with this data. Besides models and scenarios, there are also regions and even platforms/instruments: things for which we already have URIs.

Anyway, eventually, yes, we do want URIs for term, perhaps under "/term" (in your example)., To support this, we need to decide what is returned from the /term endpoint. i.e. what are the attributes and relationships of a term? (not in the lexicon sense but in the controlled vocabulary sense.)

Also, I wasn't suggesting throwing it out, just leaving it out of the RDF for now; it'll still be in the database and we can add it once we iron out our representation of controlled vocabularies.

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@bduggan is right. Think engineered. Think lean and automated. And think of an operational GCIS ontology that is automatically generated on a weekly schedule using that lean automated approach. Manual work is not an option; we do not have students for new work like this nor should we assume we shall in the future.

Actually, I am okay with throwing this "data" out. Based on two years of GCIS work, Attributes is a spotty, usually blank, catch-all that few bother to fill out. When they do, the values are amazingly varied and not terribly useful. Perhaps we should remove the Attributes field completely.

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I'd be all right with removing the "attributes" field completely given the lack of criteria for the process of assigning them. Let me confirm first that this is so and will update.

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zednis commented Jun 24, 2015

ok, I have been persuaded to the leave this content out of the RDF for now. I support Brian's suggesting of revisiting this and eventually bringing it back with controlled vocabularies.

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Works for me.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Stephan Zednik notifications@github.com
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ok, I have been persuaded to the leave this content out of the RDF for
now. I support Brian's suggesting of revisiting this and eventually
bringing it back with controlled vocabularies.


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