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More visible math operators #804

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kauesena opened this issue Jan 21, 2021 · 11 comments
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More visible math operators #804

kauesena opened this issue Jan 21, 2021 · 11 comments

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@kauesena
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kauesena commented Jan 21, 2021

  • The requested variant shape does not go too far away from Iosevka's design.
  • The requested variant does not conflict with any characters in Unicode that Iosevka currently supports.
  • Some other monospace/programming fonts supported the requested variant. Provide images below.

After the possibility to cherry-pick symbols, for me, the biggest advantage of Iosevka for is its coverage of many mathematical symbols. However, some look oddly small and difficult to read depending on the context, such as , and . I do believe it must be a challenge to design those characters for a monospace font, but somehow DejaVu Mono makes them appear less odd in contexts where the font is very small and they seem less small in comparison with other characters.
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Implementing bigger variants to those characters would be possible in Iosevka? Or the current mathematical glyphs are already as big as they can be?
Thank you once more for this already splendid font.

@nsemrau
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nsemrau commented Jan 21, 2021

Maybe a review to make the form of some mathematical glyphs bigger in general could take place? Instead of grafting on another set of slightly different versions of various glyphs.

@kauesena
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kauesena commented Jan 21, 2021

Oh. I closed the issue by accident.

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kauesena commented Jan 21, 2021

Maybe a review to make the form of some mathematical glyphs bigger in general could take place? Instead of grafting on another set of slightly different versions of various glyphs.

Or as you suggest. Replacing some of the mathematical glyphs altogether instead of creating variants.

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be5invis commented Jan 21, 2021

I think larger is doable. and are already wide in non-Terminal editions.
But, be careful that Iosevka is very narrow by default so the size is (ultimately) limited. Using Extended width should automatically get larger operators.

@kauesena
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Increasing would already be excellent. And I'll give Iosevka extended a try.

@VladimirMarkelov
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My 2 cents: to me, from the picture above, Iosevka's variant is easier to understand with a quick glance. In DejaVu case, the symbol is almost as big as C and it takes some time to understand that the string includes a mathematical symbol; in Iosevka case, I notice that there is a symbol that is less than any other, so I understand that a string contains something besides letters in no time.

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kauesena commented Jan 21, 2021

In DejaVu case, the symbol ⊂ is almost as big as C and it takes some time to understand that the string includes a mathematical symbol

That is something to worry about if the way forward were replacing instead of creating a variant. I can, nonetheless, distinguish C and c from rather easily, but I suppose it must be mostly due to the colour scheme.

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If we enlarge it to the same size as ∈ then it will look too like c:
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Reducing it a little looks better:
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@be5invis be5invis added this to the 4.6 milestone Jan 22, 2021
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kauesena commented Jan 22, 2021 via email

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I had read through email and not seen the commit referencing the issue.

@be5invis
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@kauesena Well they are both enlarged, the first image enlarged it more.
Since you are fine with the second option I'd like to close this issue as resolved.

mkarmona added a commit to mkarmona/Iosevka that referenced this issue Jan 27, 2021
* Add diagonal-tailed variant of `i`, `l` (be5invis#795).

* Add diagonal-tailed variant of `k` (be5invis#795).

* Add diagonal tailed variant for `j` and `t` (be5invis#795).

* Fix broken geometry of `K` under ultra-wide (be5invis#800).

* Add straight-bar AE (`Æ`), follows variant selector for `A` (be5invis#800).

* Refine the shape of Slab `S` and `s` to add serifs at both terminals (be5invis#800).

* Fix broken geometry of `%` under ultra-wide (be5invis#800).

* * Add diagonal-tailed variant of `f` (be5invis#795).

* Add diagonal-tailed variant of `q` (be5invis#795).

* Add IBM Plex Mono style set (be5invis#796).

* Update variants.toml (be5invis#801)

Fix typo

* Update images and SS fixup

* Fix typo (be5invis#802)

* Fix broken shape of tailed Cyrillic DJE (`U+0452`, be5invis#803).

* Slightly increase size of `⊂`, `⊃`, `⊏` and `⊐` for better distinction (be5invis#804).

* Add motion-serifed variant of `B`, `D`, `E` and `F` (be5invis#806).

* * Spilt out variant selector for `A`, `V`, `W` (be5invis#806).
 * Add motion-serifed variant of `A`, `V`, `W`, `v`, `w` (be5invis#806).

* Add motion serifed variants for `Z`, `z`, `y` (be5invis#806)

* Add open-contour and motion-serifed variants of `P` and `R` (be5invis#810).

* Add standing variants of `R` (be5invis#810).

* Add symmetric-legged variants of `K` and `k` (be5invis#807).

* The changes are large enough to target a new major release. Rename v4.6.0 to v5.0.0-beta.1

* Fix broken motion-serifed z (be5invis#814).

* * Add toothed and motion-serifed `U` (be5invis#811).
 * Add motion-serifed toothless `u` (be5invis#813).

* Add motion-serifed variants of `T` (be5invis#815).

* Add horizontal-tailed and detach-tailed `Q` (be5invis#808).

* Add hookless and capped variants of `G` (be5invis#809).

* Add double-v and asymmetric variants of `W` and `w` (be5invis#812).

* Split unilateral and bilateral motion serifed variants of toothless/tailless `U` (be5invis#817).

* Fix broken leg shape of `R` (be5invis#816).

* Add motion-serifed variants for H, K, M, N, X, x, Y (be5invis#818).

* Slightly reduce width of lowercase `s`

* Fix shapes of sswash and srtail

* Fix missing SW

* Update images

* Fix Aile mosaic size

* r5.0.0-beta.1

* Fix broken curly-motion-serifed `w` (be5invis#821)

* Add flat-serifed variants for `1` (be5invis#819).

* wording

* r5.0.0-beta.1

* Document breaking change "singlestorey -> single-storey" (be5invis#823)

* Fix sample character of `prime.capital-u` (be5invis#823).

* Fix broken curly variants of `x` and `X` (be5invis#824).

* Add compact-serifed and compact-top-serifed variants of `r` (be5invis#826).

* Allow Zeta to share variants with `Z` (be5invis#827).

* Add serifed and top-serifed variants for `S` and `s` (be5invis#822).

* * Add oblique-upper-left-bar variant for `5` (be5invis#820).
 * Add oval variant for `0` (be5invis#828).

* Add corner and flat-hooked variants for `?` (be5invis#829).

* Update SS

* Update docs

* r shape refinements

* r5.0.0-beta.2

Co-authored-by: be5invis <belleve@typeof.net>
Co-authored-by: Alexey Ten <alexeyten@gmail.com>
@be5invis be5invis added this to the 5.0 milestone Jan 30, 2021
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