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Upstream and use bevy_mod_picking #12365

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alice-i-cecile opened this issue Mar 7, 2024 · 2 comments
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Upstream and use bevy_mod_picking #12365

alice-i-cecile opened this issue Mar 7, 2024 · 2 comments
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A-Dev-Tools Tools used to debug Bevy applications. A-Editor Graphical tools to make Bevy games A-Input Player input via keyboard, mouse, gamepad, and more A-Picking Pointing at and selecting objects of all sorts A-UI Graphical user interfaces, styles, layouts, and widgets C-Enhancement A new feature D-Complex Quite challenging from either a design or technical perspective. Ask for help! X-Blessed Has a large architectural impact or tradeoffs, but the design has been endorsed by decision makers

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alice-i-cecile commented Mar 7, 2024

Why we need picking (and raycasting)

To be glib, bevy_mod_picking by @aevyrie allows users to point at things and click on them.
Picking is the pattern of turning pointer events (like mouse clicks or touches) into the hover/selection/deselection of objects (meshes, sprites, UI...) via hit testing, of which raycasting is one common form.

Bevy needs an equivalent set of tools for:

  1. General gameplay usage: raycasting is incredibly useful for everything from physics to line-of-sight to selecting units
  2. To replace our bespoke and inconsistent UI Interaction component and focus handling
  3. As an essential part of any balanced breakfast scene editor or interactive debugger

While the first application can and currently is solved by relying on an external crate, this is still limiting because:

  1. It puts pressure on the maintainer to continue to promptly update a vital dependency.
  2. It allows us to accidentally break a vital dependency on main, as it's not part of our CI.
  3. It worsens the new user experience, as they have to find and figure out external dependencies.
  4. It prevents us from building more realistic examples.

For the remaining use cases, we simply can't rely on an external crate that relies on Bevy due to circular dependencies which present severe technical and organizational challenges.

Why we should upstream rather than re-implement

Of course, the next question is "why should we upstream a crate, rather than simply building it ourselves!".
After all, it wasn't invented here, for a very narrow definition of "here".

However, as I previously discussed in bevyengine/rfcs#63, reinventing rather than upstreaming popular, functioning crates is both risky and wasteful.
While this functionality may seem simple at first glance, hard-won experience shows that there are a large number of ergonomic, design and performance concerns that must be carefully navigated.

bevy_mod_picking is a stable, beloved part of Bevy's ecosystem. While it may not be perfect in its current form, it decidedly works: with good performance, a lovely API and a generally low-bug experience. Building our own equivalent will take longer, involve dramatically more controversy, and leave us at a worse starting point.

Organizational strategy for upstreaming

I've been working closely with @aevyrie and other members of the community to plan this migration.
As part of that, we have a pair of junior volunteers from Purdue: Avi and Xavier who are helping us with this work (this issue is a sibling to #12349). Please be patient and kind with them as they work, but remember that they're here to learn and improve.

During this discussion, we've outlined a few key strategies to minimize the pain of this complex migration:

  1. Identify blockers and perform vital improvements in the upstream crate(s) before starting the migration PR. Once the entire crate(s) are updated, we can begin upstreaming.
  2. Split up the code into sizable and useful components, and upstream those in chunks. These PRs should be merged with minimal changes, to avoid stalling in review and accidentally introducing incompatibilities between our components.
  3. Perform code quality and documentation work on individual components in small PRs once they're merged. Do not make breaking changes here until the entire system is migrated, tested and integrated.
  4. Integrate the various components into the engine as they added, one area at a time, removing existing redundant solutions if we can do so without making breaking changes to the fragile new code.
  5. Once everything is integrated, we can take a look at how it behaves in context, and can then discuss more serious architectural refactors and small breaking changes.

The essential problems to avoid are:

  1. Complex PRs getting stuck in review and accumulating merge conflicts.
  2. Making a release of Bevy where the old solution is removed and the new solution is not yet ready.
  3. Making breaking changes part way through the migration, breaking the integration of other components.

If you have breaking concerns or ideas, please, please open issues to record them (and link this issue). We want to hear them, and to improve all areas of the engine: we just don't want the migration to fall into disarray :)

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@alice-i-cecile alice-i-cecile added C-Enhancement A new feature A-Input Player input via keyboard, mouse, gamepad, and more A-UI Graphical user interfaces, styles, layouts, and widgets A-Editor Graphical tools to make Bevy games D-Complex Quite challenging from either a design or technical perspective. Ask for help! X-Controversial There is active debate or serious implications around merging this PR labels Mar 7, 2024
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aevyrie commented Mar 7, 2024

Thank you Alice, reading through this now. 🙂

Small correction of a common misconception. Picking does not require raycasting, that is just one of the hit testing methods.

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I use both crates extensively and have written extensions in my own game. I will keep an eye on this and will be available for code reviews. Excited to see this start!

@matiqo15 matiqo15 added the A-Dev-Tools Tools used to debug Bevy applications. label Apr 3, 2024
@alice-i-cecile alice-i-cecile added X-Blessed Has a large architectural impact or tradeoffs, but the design has been endorsed by decision makers and removed X-Controversial There is active debate or serious implications around merging this PR labels May 2, 2024
@alice-i-cecile alice-i-cecile added the A-Picking Pointing at and selecting objects of all sorts label Jun 5, 2024
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A-Dev-Tools Tools used to debug Bevy applications. A-Editor Graphical tools to make Bevy games A-Input Player input via keyboard, mouse, gamepad, and more A-Picking Pointing at and selecting objects of all sorts A-UI Graphical user interfaces, styles, layouts, and widgets C-Enhancement A new feature D-Complex Quite challenging from either a design or technical perspective. Ask for help! X-Blessed Has a large architectural impact or tradeoffs, but the design has been endorsed by decision makers
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