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decorated WITH #120

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esmanning opened this issue Jul 30, 2020 · 9 comments
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decorated WITH #120

esmanning opened this issue Jul 30, 2020 · 9 comments
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@esmanning
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Then he mopped his forehead with a handkerchief decorated WITH red squares.
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sent_id = lpp_1943.782

Seems Characteristic-like (a handkerchief WITH red squares), but does that still work when it's modifying the verb "decorated"?

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stative verb expressing a physical/Configurational relation—cf. #113, filled WITH/full OF, etc.

@esmanning esmanning added the materials E.g. combination/transformation/composition of materials label Aug 7, 2020
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nschneid commented Sep 9, 2020

Here,

a handkerchief decorated with red squares = a handkerchief with red squares (that decorate it)

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nschneid commented Sep 9, 2020

What if it was dynamic application of a part/property?: I decorated the tree WITH ornaments—Characteristic~Instrument? Are the ornaments part of the tree—PartPortion?

?I used ornaments to decorate the tree.
This year I used glass ornaments to decorate the tree.

Instrument becomes incorporated into the result (end state) of the action.

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nschneid commented Sep 9, 2020

she was dressed in red

the building was decorated in lights

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nschneid commented Sep 9, 2020

In general, if a decoration is alienable does that mean it's more of a property than a part?

attire is Possession, not PartPortion. Likewise we should probably avoid treating alienable decoration on items as PartPortion and instead call it Characteristic.

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nschneid commented Sep 9, 2020

Possible distinction between static and dynamic readings:

static "(is) decorated WITH" = plain Characteristic

dynamic "was decorated WITH" = Characteristic~Instrument

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aryamanarora commented Sep 9, 2020

Sort of a parallel distinction in Hindi based on transitivity:

Characteristic:

X से सजा हुआ
X se sajā huā
decorated(intrans.) with X

Characteristic~Instrument (since it implies an Agent):

X से सजाया हुआ
X se sajāyā huā
decorated(trans.) with X

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Another example with both static and dynamic readings (that I don't want to open a new issue for). This one is about fictive motion though.

नदी समुंदर तक बहती है
The river flows till the ocean.

Could be Goal (if construed as about the present flowing of the river) or Locus~Goal (if a statement about the endpoint of the river). Also note these alternations based on tense/aspect:

  • The river flowed till the ocean. (favours Goal but ambiguous, =Hindi perfective)
  • The river used to flow till the ocean. (favours Locus~Goal, =Hindi habitual past)
  • The river will flow till the ocean. (could be either I think, =Hindi future)

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नदी समुंदर तक बहती है
The river flows till the ocean.

If both readings are possible I'd go with the more literal one, i.e. Goal.

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