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[CR]Medical zombies #77

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@Coolthulhu Coolthulhu commented Sep 26, 2020

A new tree of zombie evolution:

  • Nurse - walks fast, but attacks (injects) once per ~1.9 turn, causing low armor-piercing damage, light bleeding and poison. Can't bash, no armor except vs acid. Can't smell (nurse is too "mechanical" mentally, surgeon has no face).
  • Surgeon - as nurse, but better. Injects once per turn, then (once per 20 turns) scratches for high damage and some bleed but armor is doubled against this attack.
  • Vivisector - Surgeon but with stats and attacks boosted, zero movecost leap added, inject having stronger poison, and light stab armor.

Overall they are closer to support than main damage dealing force.
Bad armor and no dodge means even a mediocre combatant may be able to kill one in melee (8/8/8/8+3 skills+knife spear+hoodie/jeans was able to kill a Vivisector), but heavy debuffs it applies will make subsequent fights tougher for few minutes.

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DrPariah commented Sep 26, 2020 via email

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We definitely need to use zombie nurses as promotional material for BN.

{
"id": "mon_zombie_nurse",
"type": "MONSTER",
"name": { "str": "nurse" },
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"name": { "str": "zombie nurse" },

Same for the other two?

"id": "mon_zombie_mengele",
"type": "MONSTER",
"copy-from": "mon_zombie_doctor",
"name": { "str": "Mengele" },
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Is this really the best name for the monster? Iirc all other zombies have generic and descriptive names (zombie hulk instead of zombie hulk hogan). Not everyone commits names of nazi war criminals to memory, potentially leading to players questioning "what the hell is a mengele?"

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Perhaps Surgeon for the top tier? I like Mengele myself, though - worst case, just add in a line or two in the description talking about the depraved look in the thing's eyes, like it wants to cut into you.

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Regarding AP, is there another way to give them a bit of extra punch so that you can't ignore them completely as part of a horde?

The problem is the opposite: the "syringe" attack has very good armor piercing, so nurses can be annoying even to well-armored characters.
But then again, it might be a complete non-problem, because it only happens if the player gets too strong too fast.

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"name": { "str": "zombie nurse" },

I'd rather avoid "zombie x" names, because they already look like zombies, and the zombie prefix is rather boring. Not all zombies have "zombie" in name.
In case of nurse and doktor, the "titles" are rather generic, so they might need that "zombie", but I'd rather get them less generic names instead.

Is this really the best name for the monster?

It was supposed to be "surgeon" or "angel of death" at first, but the former was boring, while the latter ambiguous.
I'm considering mortician. Though then doktor would have to become a doctor, losing a bit of flavor.

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just add in a line or two in the description talking about the depraved look in the thing's eyes

It has something similar.

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Cactoideae commented Sep 26, 2020

The main reasons I suggested the zombie prefix are:

  1. consistency with other "zombie (profession)" monsters. While not all zombies have "zombie" in their names, the ones described by their profession always do.
  2. there are nurse bots in the game, so renaming nurses into zombie nurses would further differentiate the two.

I do agree that some fancier names that omit the zombie part might be even better.

As for the armor piercing, I think it creates a good gameplay situation. It's an attack that can be dodged fairly easily (low melee skills, that's how it works, right?), but can't be tanked with armor. This punishes the current "heavy armor 0 dodge" meta.

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It was supposed to be "surgeon" or "angel of death" at first, but the former was boring, while the latter ambiguous.

Vivisector?

@Coolthulhu Coolthulhu changed the title [CR][WIP]Medical zombies [CR]Medical zombies Sep 29, 2020
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Alright, I think I got them where I want them.

  • I kept the name "nurse". I wanted a something-nurse, but "zombie" is just too common and I couldn't come up with anything good. The "zombie" part is visible in the "Z" glyph (and hopefully future tiles, if we get someone to provide BN-specific ones).
  • Second level is named surgeon, third vivisector.
  • They spawn in generic zombie location, in hospitals and in pharmacies.
  • Common zombie drops. They are not licensed practitioners.
  • Nerfed them from the initial draft. Less hp, lower speed. Still kinda fast, but not rivaling predators.

@Coolthulhu Coolthulhu merged commit f9f9d1a into upload Sep 30, 2020
@Coolthulhu Coolthulhu deleted the med-zed branch April 3, 2021 09:35
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