Skip to content
New issue

Have a question about this project? Sign up for a free GitHub account to open an issue and contact its maintainers and the community.

By clicking “Sign up for GitHub”, you agree to our terms of service and privacy statement. We’ll occasionally send you account related emails.

Already on GitHub? Sign in to your account

New description for atmosphere_mass_content_of_cloud_liquid_water #193

Closed
GeyerB opened this issue Jan 10, 2020 · 6 comments
Closed

New description for atmosphere_mass_content_of_cloud_liquid_water #193

GeyerB opened this issue Jan 10, 2020 · 6 comments
Labels
standard name (added by template) Requests and discussions for standard names and other controlled vocabulary

Comments

@GeyerB
Copy link

GeyerB commented Jan 10, 2020

Proposer's name Beate Geyer / Ronny Petrik
Date 2019/08/20

The description of atmosphere_mass_content_of_cloud_liquid_water is incomplete, as "cloud_liquid_water" is not mentioned.

- Term atmosphere_mass_content_of_cloud_liquid_water
- New Definition "Content" indicates a quantity per unit area. The "atmosphere content" of a quantity refers to the vertical integral from the surface to the top of the atmosphere. "Cloud liquid water" refers to the liquid phase of cloud water. For the content between specified levels in the atmosphere, standard names including content_of_atmosphere_layer are used.
- Units kg m-2

@GeyerB GeyerB added the standard name (added by template) Requests and discussions for standard names and other controlled vocabulary label Jan 10, 2020
@japamment
Copy link
Member

Dear Beate and Ronny,

Thank you for raising this issue. I agree that we should improve the definition. In fact, there are 45 existing cloud_liquid_water names, only one of which has a definition that actually explains what the term means!

The definition of mass_concentration_of_cloud_liquid_water_in_air says: 'Cloud droplets are spherical and typically a few micrometers to a few tens of micrometers in diameter. An upper limit of 0.2 mm diameter is sometimes used to distinguish between cloud droplets and drizzle drops, but in active cumulus clouds strong updrafts can maintain much larger cloud droplets.'

In the mailing list discussion I suggested that we combine the existing text about droplet size with your proposed additional text and add it to all 45 affected names. For example, atmosphere_mass_content_of_cloud_liquid_water would be defined as:
' "Content" indicates a quantity per unit area. The "atmosphere content" of a quantity refers to the vertical integral from the surface to the top of the atmosphere. For the content between specified levels in the atmosphere, standard names including content_of_atmosphere_layer are used. "Cloud liquid water" refers to the liquid phase of cloud water. Cloud droplets are spherical and typically a few micrometers to a few tens of micrometers in diameter. An upper limit of 0.2 mm diameter is sometimes used to distinguish between cloud droplets and drizzle drops, but in active cumulus clouds strong updrafts can maintain much larger cloud droplets.'

I don't think anyone commented about this suggestion - is this a good way to proceed?

Best wishes,
Alison

@graybeal
Copy link

Perhaps we can fix the construction of the last sentence too. The word 'but' is confusing, because 0.2mm diameter is the line between droplets and drizzle, not an upper limit on droplet size. So the second phrase doesn't counter the first phrase, it just adds another piece of (rather vague) info.

@japamment
Copy link
Member

Thanks for your comment @graybeal. The origin of the cloud droplet definition is the AMS glossary. As you rightly say, the information is rather vague but I feel it's still useful to include. For clarity, perhaps we should just include the whole of the AMS text as follows:
atmosphere_mass_content_of_cloud_liquid_water
' "Content" indicates a quantity per unit area. The "atmosphere content" of a quantity refers to the vertical integral from the surface to the top of the atmosphere. For the content between specified levels in the atmosphere, standard names including content_of_atmosphere_layer are used. "Cloud liquid water" refers to the liquid phase of cloud water. Cloud droplets are spherical and typically a few micrometers to a few tens of micrometers in diameter. A diameter of 0.2 mm has been suggested as an upper limit to the size of drops that shall be regarded as cloud drops; larger drops fall rapidly enough so that only very strong updrafts can sustain them. Any such division is somewhat arbitrary, and active cumulus clouds sometimes contain cloud drops much larger than this. Reference: AMS Glossary http://glossary.ametsoc.org/wiki/Cloud_drop.'

Best wishes,
Alison

@GeyerB
Copy link
Author

GeyerB commented Jan 31, 2020

Thanks for all updates!!
Ronny and Beate

@japamment
Copy link
Member

Dear Beate and Ronny,

Thank you for getting back to me. I think we can accept this name for publication in this week's update. I will create a separate issue for the updating of the other 45 cloud liquid water names.

Best wishes,
Alison

@feggleton
Copy link
Collaborator

These changes have been published in version 71 of the standard name table.

@feggleton feggleton transferred this issue from cf-convention/discuss Jul 29, 2024
Sign up for free to join this conversation on GitHub. Already have an account? Sign in to comment
Labels
standard name (added by template) Requests and discussions for standard names and other controlled vocabulary
Projects
None yet
Development

No branches or pull requests

4 participants