phoible sounds that cannot be mapped (among others)

[LinguList]

ɾ̪ ɾ̪
ʐ͇ ʐ͇
ɫ̪ ɫ̪
ɾ̪ ᴅ
ð̪̺ ð̪̺
ɹ̪̩ ɹ̪̩
z͇ z͇
ʂ͇ ʂ͇
ts͇ ts͇
z͇ z̪͇|z͇
ɹ̪̹̩ ɹ̪̹̩
ɾ̪ˠ ɾ̪ˠ
ɯ͓ ɯ͓
k̙ k̙
ɗʒ ɗʒ
ɡǀ͓ ɡǀ͓
i̯au̯ i̯au̯
iou iou
ǁ͓ʰ kǁ͓ʰ
l̠˞ l̠˞
ʀʁ ʀʁ
s͇θ s̻θ
d̪ʒ d̪ʒ
ˀt̪ɬ ˀt̪ɬ
kɬ kɬ
ɖr̠ ɖr̠
ɖr̠͓ ɖr̠͓
ð͇ˠ ð͇ˠ
dz͇ d͇z͇
ⁿt͇s͇ʰ ⁿt͇s͇ʰ
s͇ s͇
ʃ͇ ʃ͇
t͇s͇ t͇s͇
ts͇ʰ ts͇ʰ
t͇s͇ʰ t͇s͇ʰ
ʈʂ͇ ʈʂ͇
ʒ͇ ʒ͇
t̪ʙ t̪ʙ
xʀ̥ xʀ̥
ŋ̥m̥ ŋ̥m̥
ð̙ˤ ð̪̙ˤ
ɹ̪̰̩ ɹ̪̰̩
ɹ̪ˠ ɹ̪̩ˠ
ɾ̪̊ ɾ̪̊
ɾ̪̊ʰ ɾ̪̊ʰ
ɾ̪ʲ ɾ̪ʲ
i͓ i͓
ʟ͓̥ ʟ͓̥
ɭ͓ ɭ͓
r͓ r̪͓|r͓
ɾ͓ ɾ͓
u͓ u͓
d̪l̪ d̪l̪
d̙ˤ d̙ˤ
t̪̙ˤ t̪̙ˤ
ʕ̙ ʕ̙
ɾ̪ ᴅ̪
ɾ̪̰ ᴅ̪̰
fʃ fʃ
ŋǂx ɡ̰ǂx
ŋǃx ɡ̰ǃx
ld ld
ʟ̝̊ɬ ɬʟ͓̥
ⁿbz mbz
ⁿd͇z͇ ⁿd͇z͇
r̠̙ r̠̙
st st
s̙ˤ s̙ˤ
ʃt ʃt
tθ̪ t̪θ̪
ˀy ˀy

[LinguList]

These sounds were wrongly specified, @cormacanderson, like, st is not possible as a cluster, as we do not allow these combinations, etc. If you want these to be included (I am against it, as I don't consider "st" as a valid sound), I'd need explicit feature values. The little "x", for example, is a feature that you did not introduce, and the like.

[cormacanderson]

In four places I would replace these as it's an error on my part:
ð̪̺ ð̪̺ mistake for ð̺ voiced apical dental fricative consonant
d̪ʒ d̪ʒ replace by dʒ
tθ̪ t̪θ̪ mistake for tθ voiceless dental affricate consonant
ˀy ˀy mistake for ˀj pre-glottalized voiced palatal approximant consonant

I suppose we leave blank the following:
ɗʒ ɗʒ
kɬ kɬ
ɖr̠ ɖr̠
i̯au̯ i̯au̯
iou iou
l̠˞ l̠˞
d̪l̪ d̪l̪
fʃ fʃ
ŋǂx ɡ̰ǂx
ŋǃx ɡ̰ǃx
ld ld
st st
ʃt ʃt

The rest should be dealt with by the outstanding issues:
ɾ̪ ɾ̪ see #42
ʐ͇ ʐ͇ see #51 and #61
ɫ̪ ɫ̪ see #42
ɾ̪ ᴅ see #42
ɹ̪̩ ɹ̪̩ see #42
z͇ z͇ see #51 and #61
ʂ͇ ʂ͇ see #51 and #61
ts͇ ts͇ see #51 and #61
z͇ z̪͇|z͇ see #51 and #61
ɹ̪̹̩ ɹ̪̹̩ see #42
ɾ̪ˠ ɾ̪ˠ see #42
ɯ͓ ɯ͓ see #47
k̙ k̙ see #50
ɡǀ͓ ɡǀ͓ see #47
ǁ͓ʰ kǁ͓ʰ see #47
ʀʁ ʀʁ see #44
s͇θ s̻θ see #51 and #61
ˀt̪ɬ ˀt̪ɬ we have the alveolar, added the dental to #42
ɖr̠͓ ɖr̠͓ see #47
ð͇ˠ ð͇ˠ see #51 and #61
dz͇ d͇z͇ see #51 and #61
ⁿt͇s͇ʰ ⁿt͇s͇ʰ see #51 and #61
s͇ s͇ see #51 and #61
ʃ͇ ʃ͇ see #51 and #61
t͇s͇ t͇s͇ see #51 and #61
ts͇ʰ ts͇ʰ see #51 and #61
t͇s͇ʰ t͇s͇ʰ see #51 and #61
ʈʂ͇ ʈʂ͇ see #51 and #61
ʒ͇ ʒ͇ see #51 and #61
t̪ʙ t̪ʙ see #44
xʀ̥ xʀ̥ see #44
ŋ̥m̥ ŋ̥m̥ see #44
ð̙ˤ ð̪̙ˤ see #50
ɹ̪̰̩ ɹ̪̰̩ see #42
ɹ̪ˠ ɹ̪̩ˠ see #42
ɾ̪̊ ɾ̪̊ see #42
ɾ̪̊ʰ ɾ̪̊ʰ see #42
ɾ̪ʲ ɾ̪ʲ see #42
i͓ i͓ see #47
ʟ͓̥ ʟ͓̥ see #47
ɭ͓ ɭ͓ see #47
r͓ r̪͓|r͓ see #47
ɾ͓ ɾ͓ see #47
u͓ u͓ see #47
d̙ˤ d̙ˤ see #50
t̪̙ˤ t̪̙ˤ see #50
ʕ̙ ʕ̙ see #50
ɾ̪ ᴅ̪ see #42
ɾ̪̰ ᴅ̪̰ see #42
ʟ̝̊ɬ ɬʟ͓̥ sir #47
ⁿbz mbz see #44
ⁿd͇z͇ ⁿd͇z͇ see #51 and #61
r̠̙ r̠̙ see #50
s̙ˤ s̙ˤ see #50

[cormacanderson]

The following should be resolved after implementation of #61:
s͇ > θ̠
z͇ > ð̠
ʃ͇ > ɹ̠̊˔
ʒ͇ > ɹ̠˔
ʂ͇ > ɻ̝̊
ʐ͇ > ɻ̝

t͇s͇ > tθ̠
d͇z͇ > dð̠
t̠ʃ͇ > tɹ̠̊˔
d̠ʒ͇ > dɹ̠˔
ʈʂ͇ > ʈɻ̝̊
ɖʐ͇ > ɖɻ̝

My understanding then is that we get these for free:
ⁿt͇s͇ʰ > ⁿtθ̠
ⁿd͇z͇ > ⁿdð̠

A PHOIBLE-specific mapping:
z̪͇|z͇ > ð̠

Implemented as aliases are
ð͇ > ð̠
θ͇ > θ̠ (not currently in PHOIBLE)

[LinguList]

so we add them as alias sounds?

[cormacanderson]

No, I think it better to do this as mapping from PHOIBLE, because this is a PHOIBLE-specific convention, not standard IPA usage. This is more of a reminder to myself. I can change the mappings in the .tsv file, but maybe best we resolve the issues first and then I can make the changes to the .tsv and then we run it again to see what still isn't accepted.

[LinguList]

But that means that you do not get anything "for free". That is important! Anyway, there arent' more than the six sounds here.

[cormacanderson]

But surely if we have the base sound tθ̠, then the system will also parse ⁿtθ̠, right? Or should I specify that too?

[LinguList]

Sure, but if it is a correction for a transcription system the alias form won't be detected.

[cormacanderson]

There's no alias here though: tθ̠ is a new base form that we defined in the discussion in #61 (the alias is rather tθ͇). ⁿtθ̠ is just that base form with prenasalisation, so it should be recognised, right? By "free" I mean that I don't specifically have to define ⁿtθ̠ as a new sound, because we have already defined its base.

[cormacanderson]

Or am I missing something? I realise I still have to map these to the sounds we have now defined, which is why I put up the reminder to myself...

[LinguList]

No, you are right, I thought you MEANT the aliases.