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Please enable Corona Warn App on the US Play Store as soon as legally and technically possible. It is not only useful for US travelers / tourists or travelers from other countries which default to the US Play Store, but also for permanent residents in Germany with US Play Store account, of which there are more than you may think. Furthermore, many Germans' Play Store accounts default (or revert back) to the US Play Store for some reasons. Suggesting to switch Country/Region is not always practical, since Google imposes a 1 per year country change limit in the Play Store settings, and fails to migrate existing account assets such as purchased Books, Movies etc. to the German Play Store, maybe for legal reasons. Giving up those purchases just to download the Corona Warn App is definitively not a popular decision. Anyone with a US Play Store account reading this, please thumb up the original post of this thread to persuade the makers of this app to prioritize the US Play Store. TIA, and stay safe and healthy. |
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Thanks, fhajji! |
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Hi! After reading about the success of the app here in Germany, many of my US friends pinged me on Facebook to ask how they can use the German app in the US. Since the US response is. .. . don't need to say anything here. . . . is it possible for Americans, and not just Germans traveling to America later this summer when that becomes possible, to use the app there? This is a situation where it seems quite a few Americans are looking to Germany for a sane & trustworthy solution. Ty for listening. |
Interesting idea. In fact you could already use Immuni or SwissCovid they work in exactly the same way. The trouble will be that you can’t get a teleTAN to upload your keys once you have a positive test as no hotline can support US citizens outside the USA.. |
This seems solvable by partnering with the sane US states, like New York or California, that easily have the resources & desire to do this part of the functionality. Ty for your quick & thoughtful response. |
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Sure, they could run their own backend and hotline modeled after this project. It’s open source and I guess it needs the governors buy-in else Apple and Google wouldn’t allow them on the API. You could fork the relevant repos and adapt them to their needs (maybe the lab connection or hotline number etc). |
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no hotline can support US citizens outside the USA Sure, they could run their own backend and hotline modeled after this project. |
Sure they could. But I guess the money for that would have to come from the US.
CWA is maintained here so you can keep development and maintenance cost down. But to run your own hotline and backend you need your own app modified just a little bit (location of backend and hotline number). And then you can release that new app and get the buy-in from your health authority so Google and Apple will allow it to use the Exposure API. So it is a valid idea to fork this project so the US can have their own app, but it is not related to this app being in US app stores. |
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As our embassies in Germany are only handling emergency passport requests right now, I severely doubt they’re going to take an interest in campaigning for our access to this, despite its potential for improving the safety of Americans who aren’t trying to get home - not to mention everyone around us. |
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What do embassies have to do with anything?
Just fork the code, pop in the already existing California virus hotline &
teach that staff to update the back end with confirmed infection reports.
If Gavin will fund, whole thing could take 10 days. Where is SV innovation
when Cali needs it?
Best Regards,
Your friend from San Francisco now studying in DE
…On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 14:07 Amanda Debler ***@***.***> wrote:
As our embassies in Germany are only handling emergency passport requests
right now, I severely doubt they’re going to take an interest in
campaigning for our access to this, despite its potential for improving the
safety of Americans who aren’t trying to get home - not to mention everyone
around us.
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<https://github.com/melancholyaeon>For it to be useful for Americans living in Germany (and those living around us), it needs to be the same app that Robert Koch Institut signed and has placed in the German and several other country app stores, because of which backend it can connect to. A California fork of this would probably be a great idea, but for people living in California - that CA app would not have access to the list of IDs of people who had positive test results in Germany, nor upload a positive test result and IDs to Germany’s backend.
…On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, at 2:37 PM, melancholyaeon wrote:
What do embassies have to do with anything?
Just fork the code, pop in the already existing California virus hotline &
teach that staff to update the back end with confirmed infection reports.
If Gavin will fund, whole thing could take 10 days. Where is SV innovation
when Cali needs it?
Best Regards,
Your friend from San Francisco now studying in DE
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> As our embassies in Germany are only handling emergency passport requests
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> safety of Americans who aren’t trying to get home - not to mention everyone
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Of course not. People in California don't need German services. I'm talking
purely about a Cali fork for Cali.
…On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 18:33 Amanda Debler ***@***.***> wrote:
@melancholyaeon <https://github.com/melancholyaeon> - For it to be useful
for Americans living in Germany (and those living around us), it needs to
be the same app that Robert Koch Institut signed and has placed in the
German and several other country app stores, because of which backend it
can connect to. A California fork of this would probably be a great idea,
but for people living in California - that CA app would not have access to
the list of IDs of people who had positive test results in Germany, nor
upload a positive test result and IDs to Germany’s backend.
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This board is all about countries whose app stores we are trying to get RKI to allow their signed version of the app into, along with other desired changes to said app - wanting a CA version of the app and its infrastructure is something you’d need to take up elsewhere to have any effect. There’s nothing stopping you from leading an effort to fork the app for California! We, on the other hand, have to convince RKI that no one in the US government is going to sue them for making the Germany version of it easily available to Americans and others using the US versions of Apple and Google's app stores, and that’s where the US embassy and/or consulates in Germany would come in, if they were up for anything more than emergency passports right now.
…On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, at 7:03 PM, melancholyaeon wrote:
Of course not. People in California don't need German services. I'm talking
purely about a Cali fork for Cali.
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> @melancholyaeon <https://github.com/melancholyaeon> - For it to be useful
> for Americans living in Germany (and those living around us), it needs to
> be the same app that Robert Koch Institut signed and has placed in the
> German and several other country app stores, because of which backend it
> can connect to. A California fork of this would probably be a great idea,
> but for people living in California - that CA app would not have access to
> the list of IDs of people who had positive test results in Germany, nor
> upload a positive test result and IDs to Germany’s backend.
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Right. The Corona Warn App contains Exposure Notifications API. People in Germany need service of Google and Apple. |
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Do we have an update on this? Is it a hard "no", is it approved, or still being considered? I don't want to add to the noise in the topic, I simply wanted to point out that if the maintainers already have information that a release of Germany's Corona-Warn-App on the US app store very unlikely to happen, it would be useful to mention it here. Then we can stop checking. |
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Unfortunately, we don't have any further updates at this point. All newly added stores will be announced in the corresponding backlog issue, in our FAQ, through the publisher's twitter account, and, additionally, we will then close this issue. |
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If the Corona Warn App will be successful in Germany then it should go west. |
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I just came to open this thread, glad someone did it before me. |
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Hi Davey M84,
According to the latest info from DW, which was last week, higher ups are
focused still on fixing issues in this app. (
https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-coronavirus-tracing-app-criticized-over-warning-failures/a-54305099
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So I don't think think this is top of mind for them ATM.
Meanwhile teams in the US appear to be moving towards getting state
government buy-in for forking the Irish app, now that that's been given to
the Linux Foundation.
Hope this helps. Probably best to watch the news for updates. Ciao!
…On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:44 DaveyM84 ***@***.***> wrote:
I just came to open this thread, glad someone did it before me.
When will the app be available in the US app stores - what is the status
on that? Likely/unlikely?
Most of the EU countries have been covered by now, but Americans make up
quite a large percentage of internationals living in Germany, especially in
terms of the English-speaking countries represented in Germany, this must
be considered. As such this should be given priority accordingly.
This question has been running for quite a while now and I see no real
feedback about the chances of it being resolved or not.
Therefore, can we please get a worthwhile update on this now?
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Here to add an additional voice to this request - with the following information 2018 statistics from Destatis suggest there are over 120,000 civilian Americans residing in Germany with an additional 50K military personnel. The majority of these 120k Americans are living in Bayern, where the disease has had the highest numbers of death per 100,000 population for the entire length of the pandemic. It is very clear that this is an urgent need for the Americans who are living in Germany. If it is absolutely impossible that you can allow this to appear in the US app stores in a reasonable time; please publish a recommended way for users to access the app and at least recognise what you're asking your legal residents to do in order to protect themselves (which prior users have pointed out means losing access to their media libraries or something similar). Is a solve asking us to create a second "apple ID" or something of the sort? Is this a real solution? I leave it up to the tech brains who have brought this masterpiece to life and simply ask you to take this request into serious consideration. Thank you. |
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Hi Steve!
Yes, all of us American long-timers here just create a second Apple account
for the German app store. Takes about 10 minutes.
Enjoy!
…On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 16:20 steviewenner ***@***.***> wrote:
Here to add an additional voice to this request - with the following
information
2018 statistics from Destatis suggest there are over 120,000 civilian
Americans residing in Germany with an additional 50K military personnel.
The majority of these 120k Americans are living in Bayern, where the
disease has had the highest numbers of death per 100,000 population for the
entire length of the pandemic. It is very clear that this is an urgent need
for the Americans who are living in Germany. If it is absolutely impossible
that you can allow this to appear in the US app stores in a reasonable
time; please publish a recommended way for users to access the app and at
least recognise what you're asking your legal residents to do in order to
protect themselves (which prior users have pointed out means losing access
to their media libraries or something similar). Is a solve asking us to
create a second "apple ID" or something of the sort? Is this a real
solution? I leave it up to the tech brains who have brought this
masterpiece to life and simply ask you to take this request into serious
consideration. Thank you.
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Hi melancholyaeon, cheers for the quick reply! I didn't know about that issue..... (Also, thanks for the info and link - I'm Irish originally so it's really interesting to know that that's going on) Hmmm now I'm a bit conflicted. I was gonna say a software issue like that shouldn't necessarily be a reason for the release of app the to more country app stores being put on pause or going on the backburner, because at the end of the day. Back on the other hand though, the people who would use CWA via the US app store in Germany are still here and waiting. I mean, at the end of the day these are seperate issues, if there's an OS related problem with the app then the people using the Germany app stores and other countries' app stores which have since been released can still download and use the app as before, while the others still can't. Well, basically I get that the current issue is critical and needs to be solved asap, but I hope the US appstore issue won't go much on the backburner or even get forgotten about, is what I'm saying. I'll keep checking Thanks |
yes, this is actually a really good point...the US military! Especially given the long-running history of their presene in Germany... Anyway, very good point Steviewenner and I agree with you that it should be seriously considered as well. That should carry a certain weight |
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It's been 2 months since the initial release of the app and the app is still not available in all app stores, esp the US app store. Why are Switzerland and Austria able to do this while Germany's app development team is unable to resolve this? You are aware that we need the app during the pandemic and not after it has faded? |
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@treysis the thing with the Swiss app:
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You can restrict anything by law. Send them a letter to cease and desist if they are obviously acting against the law? Why doesn't the RKI intervene? They're accessing German infrastructure. I understood your second sentence. But you didn't understand mine: if RKI knows that data is being exfiltrated from Germany, and that that restriction is not limited to the country with which there is a contract...how can it be legal to allow this country to access the data? Exactly: it wouldn't be legal. With the current interpretation, Germany would have to opt out of the European collaboration until every participating country enforces the "restrictions" on their apps. |
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@treysis I just want to point out, that I'm NOT a lawyer, this is only knowledge I picked up somewhere |
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This is ping pong now. Yes, the law doesn't apply anymore. But this raises the question if Germany is allowed to transfer the data in the first place. |
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@treysis yes it is if I got this right. |
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So I guess we mail our local politicians now |
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Hi all, For a short sum-up about the reasons, why it is currently not (easily) possible to get Corona-Warn-App when you're non-EU-resident:
But for another good solution for Android phones: There is a fork of Corona-Warn-App with same/similar functionality and same data privacy. |
Nope. It's due to wrong interpretation of laws and objection to revise a decision. |
I agree with you. But I guess the correct interpretation of laws and revising the decision would be the job of our politicians and their consultants? So, in very brief this could be included in
Anyway, one could spend much time to try to improve the system. Or, pragmatically use the best alternative: Corona-Warn-Apps fork. My 2 cents. |
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FYI: If you want to store your EU digital COVID certificate in a German wallet app, but you have an American AppleID/Google Account, you will soon be able to download the CovPass-App, to store your certificates:
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This is excellent news! Thanks @Ein-Tim and all involved! |
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I still can't download the CovPass app in the us app store. Need to get a local bank/payment source to transfer Google store country. This stop would be useful however I can't get it right now. Possibly after I am better situated in the country. It is a shame that us transplants in Germany are barred from apps that will help us stay safe! Hopefully this needless restriction is removed soon. |
If you have an Android device, it’s now available in the f-droid App Store. |
Unfortunately I have to retract a little bit of my earlier joy and thanks - in my over excitement I misread @Ein-Tim’s comment as meaning the CoronaWarn app. My bad :-( |
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With the latest release, version 1.10, CovPass is now finally available in the US app store. |
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@Ein-Tim Thanks for distributing the information. |
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I still don't understand why Corona-Warn-App is not made available in the US iOS Store. Even the US military describes the workaround to get the App installed: https://www.army.mil/article/247734/optional_how_to_get_the_eu_covid_vax_digital_certificate_in_germany So, with that I am saying - It seems to me like a decision made based on false premises to not make the app available to whomever wants to install it. |
Yes. But RKI (or their weird lawyers) won't change their decision without a court ruling. |
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@MSDNAndi if you create an German AppStore account you maybe agree to other TOS? 🤷♂️ |
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I agree with wanting CWA published in the US Google Play Store for all of the above stated reasons. Currently, I have sideloaded it, but it would be less work for me if the Play Store had it. |
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@g5r6p2 You can also just install the fork CCTG. |
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@rugk CCTG is not guaranteed to not get killed in the background by the Android OS. |
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A because it cannot use Googles Exposure Notification framework, yeah… |
and others
Please release the iOS and Android apps in the US store.
Internal Tracking ID: EXPOSUREAPP-2041
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