P2631 Publish TS Library Fundamentals v3 Now!

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P2631R0 Publish TS Library Fundamentals v3 Now! (Alisdair Meredith, Bryce Adelstein Lelbach, Jonathan Wakely)

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2022-09-27 Library Evolution Telecon

P2631R0: Publish TS Library Fundamentals v3 Now!

2022-09-27 Library Evolution Telecon Minutes

Champion: Alisdair Meredith

Chair: Bryce Adelstein Lelbach

Minute Taker: Steve Downey

Start: 2022-09-27 11:14 Eastern

POLL: Publish the Library Fundamentals v3 Technical Specification now as per P2631R0 (to be confirmed by a Library Evolution electronic poll).

Strongly Favor	Weakly Favor	Neutral	Weakly Against	Strongly Against
3	5	3	4	2

Attendance: 21

# of Authors: 2

Author Position: SF, WF

Outcome: No consensus.

POLL: Never publish the Library Fundamentals v3 Technical Specification (to be confirmed by a Library Evolution electronic poll).

Strongly Favor	Weakly Favor	Neutral	Weakly Against	Strongly Against
2	4	5	7	0

Attendance: 21

# of Authors: 2

Author Position: WA, WF

Outcome: No consensus.

POLL: Don't publish the Library Fundamentals v3 Technical Specification, but evaluate its contents for inclusion into a future International Standard (to be confirmed by a Library Evolution electronic poll).

Strongly Favor	Weakly Favor	Neutral	Weakly Against	Strongly Against
4	10	2	2	1

Attendance: 22

# of Authors: 2

Author Position: SF, N

Outcome: Weak consensus in favor.

POLL: Close the Library Fundamentals v3 Technical Specification project and stop maintaining its working draft (to be confirmed by a Library Evolution electronic poll).

Strongly Favor	Weakly Favor	Neutral	Weakly Against	Strongly Against
5	4	4	2	0

Attendance: 22

# of Authors: 2

Author Position: SF, did not vote

Outcome: Weak consensus in favor.

End: 12:01

Summary

We discussed what we should do with the Library Fundamentals v3 Technical Specification. It's been a work in progress for a number of years, but efforts on it have slowed as we have increasingly moved away from using Library Technical Specifications. There was consensus that the status quo - continuing to invest effort into it - was not acceptable.

However, it was less clear what we should do instead. P2361 proposed that we should publish the TS as-is, but we did not have consensus for that. Eventually, we reached a consensus that we don't want to publish the Library Fundamentals v3 TS, but we do want to consider its contents for inclusion into a future C++ Standard. Those evaluations will likely need to happen before Library Evolution has consensus to formally close the TS.

Next Steps

Take an electronic poll on publishing the Library Fundamentals v3 Technical Specification.

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2022-10 Library Evolution Electronic Poll Outcomes

Publish the Library Fundamentals v3 Technical Specification now as per [P2631R0].

Strongly Favor	Weakly Favor	Neutral	Weakly Against	Strongly Against
6	5	0	3	2

Outcome: Consensus in favor.

Don’t publish the Library Fundamentals v3 Technical Specification, but evaluate its contents for inclusion into a future International Standard.

Strongly Favor	Weakly Favor	Neutral	Weakly Against	Strongly Against
4	4	1	3	5

No consensus.

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The TS was sent to ballot at the Kona 2022 meeting, so work on this paper is complete.