Manjaro Install *solved* #6
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hello. i am investigating this bug. to try and find out what is the reason behind that. it might take a few more days |
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Did you disable dxvk after switching to opengl? For me that fixed the flashing issue |
when you have installed maybe a Nvidia graphics card on your system, then it’s a good option for you to install the CUDA libraries. 👌🏻
If you have configured this?
I testing a Proton version that works into a Flatpak-Runtime, but this doesn’t work correctly. ⚙️ ... But at the moment I testing a way to change the memory query of wine, because this is important for the simulation workspace! Then when I solved this problem, so you can also calculating a study with your computer (local), but this option doesn’t work at the moment. 😅 |
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FYI you might find proton is bad idea for this application. Certainly it didn't work for myself another thing i noticed (for my 2gb gt1030)... with limited GPU / video ram... when i maximize the workspace to 4k it crashed. Or maybe i just ran out of memory. But i should be upgrading my RAM soon to 64gb. If i can remember next time rebooting the machine |
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I followed the guide and set the following: How do I disable |
... and I must change my system in the future. 😅 |
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@mike-lloyd03 Have you also change the graphics driver to OpenGL in Fusion 360? 😊 |
Yes, I did. I also just noticed this funny little feature: When I switch desktops, menus in the 3D space appear on every desktop! |
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@mike-lloyd03 This is normally at the moment (picture), but I search for solution. 👍🏻 |
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@cryinkfly Sounds good! I'm so thankful there's someone working on making this a reality! Much appreciated! |
Can you tell me how to do this? I don't see dxvk in my winecfg libraries. |
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You must |
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So setting this as per your directions is incorrect? Should they all be set to disabled? |
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@mike-lloyd03 I was wrong. it doesn't work without these library settings. 😅🤦🏼♂️ But here you can see, I have the same problem:
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i have that problem too.... but that isnt the same problem as the background (or splash screen) flashing and glitching out whenever you click on a model object those are 2 different issue |
Can show me this with a picture, please? :-) |
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@dreamcat4 I have this same problem. Let me see if I can make a video of it. |
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I tried to capture a video of it but basically, the screen is flashing either to black or to the Fusion360 logo on a white background. Frame rate is normally faster, just slow because of the gif.
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@mike-lloyd03 Okay ;-) I don't have this problem with Fusion 360 on my system: 2021-04-16.21-03-24.mov
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Yes you're looks to be working MUCH better than mine. It looks like @dreamcat4 and I are experiencing the same issue and we're both on Arch systems. @dreamcat4 What desktop environment are you using? |
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ubuntu 20.04, actually just give me a few days and i might be able to narrow it down a bit |
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Oh my bad. It was @DragonHunter274 that is on Arch. |
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@mike-lloyd03: okay you use original system 👍🏻 Can you check if you have the same packages & versions like as by the current manajro version, please? |
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I'm not sure what you mean but I just installed this OS last week so all the base stuff should be there. I haven't uninstalled any core packages. |
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It could be that there are differences somewhere. 😅 |
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I wouldn't know where to look for that. |
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You can check this with pamac (Tool) or with this command: pacman -Q > my_arch_packages.txt |
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Oh yeah I know how to see what packages are installed. I just don't know how to compare that with what is normally installed by Manjaro without doing a clean install on another machine and generating the same list and diffing the files. But like I said, I'm basically running on a clean install. It's only been installed for a week. I have a feeling there's packages that are installed by default on OpenSuse and Ubuntu that aren't installed on Manjaro by default and that's what I'm missing. |
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So what exactly changed to BREAK the fusion-360 ? Well IDK yet EXACTLY. However it is probably 1+ of these wine libs, see screenshots link here: Still investigating this issue further |
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@mike-lloyd03 Okay, I have checked Fusion 360 on Manjaro with the KDE destktop enviroment and the program dosn't work. manjaro-kde-21.0.1_packages.txt manjaro_kde_live-image.movVery good job!!!It's correct that you don't set these libraries?
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correct, i did not set them. [EDIT] i did not do that step, because in your instructions it said 'not needed anymore!' :) OK so i took the broken install (just now). and compared those 2 lists of wine libs inside the So I just deleted all of the names starting with the letter So the: winetricks corefonts vcrun2017 msxml4 dxvkmaybe can be without that last one winetricks corefonts vcrun2017 msxml4Then I relaunch fusion360 (and in opengl graphics mode). And the glitches / flashing is gone. Is OK fixed again. Hope this helps, |
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The problem at the moment is, that Fusion 360 need some DLL's from the DXVK (winetricks) and so we must check a way, where we can solved this. Here can you see my winecfg (libs) on my system (openSUSE Leap 15.3: 53c9082 |
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hello again. indeed you are correct... we need dxvk (winetricks) dlls installed otherwise fusion cannot launch. however i still cannot fathom why this is happening. still only know as much as from this morning... the winetricks from winehq 6.6 staging. as per your list of ubuntu 20.04 instructions. And then also deleting all of the graphics libraries in the libraries tab of |
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@dreamcat4 Ah ... now I know what you mean. I had stated in my instructions that the libraries did not have to be used. Sorry ;-) YES, we need this at the moment! :-) |
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heck you know what? maybe there is a small clue (after all). i think i noticed that after 'disable' all the so it seems like for some reason it needs qt5 to run. And that can be a good clue because other QT5 apps exhibits a similar type of bug on my system. For example 'MEGA Sync' cloud files helper. It does some thing like similar graphics glitches. So the difference here between your setup and @mike-lloyd03 and myself... it might be something about the QT5 libraries installed for xorg. sorry i know that sounds pretty ridiculous. but maybe there is a reason since in fact Fusion360 does use QT5 on windows, it needs some So between QT5 and dxvk something is going on IDK i then read this comment: so maybe it's worth to try installing dxvk without dxgi. dxvk-1.8.1/setup_dxvk.sh --help
Unrecognized action: --help
Usage: ./setup_dxvk.sh [install|uninstall] [--without-dxgi] [--with-d3d10] [--symlink]or otherwise remove only the ... but also look into QT5 issue. maybe something there too $ env | grep -i qt_
QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1
QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=qt5ct
QT_IM_MODULE=ibusIDK. it's just a hunch really at this point |
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KDE is built with QT5 so I should have any requisite QT5 libraries installed. |
... very interesting. 👍
Could it also be that something else is configured somewhere with you than with Manjaro that is the case? |
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err.. what i was saying is because fusion360 loads certain graphics dlls for the gui, you can see them if you scrolls down from here https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/windows-deployment.html#linking-the-application-to-qt-as-a-shared-library and because the qt5 project has something huge like 3000 open bugs on its issues tracker. and is known for graphics glitching like we have been seeing. so maybe in fact it is qt which is making the opengl render calls. and opengl is simply just doing what its told to do by qt. maybe these bugs are not seen by the fusion 360 developers on windows platform. only when running elsewhere in wine linux. in different environment. QT libraries seems pretty complicated. i do also see similar graphics issue in other native linux qt5 applications. on my same computer. they are not exactly the same issue, but similar ways the rendering is not updating properly |
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quick question - do you have multiple monitors @mike-lloyd03 ? do you have an nvidia gaphics card? just curious as i do have that setup here myself. but i don't think it's the issue! ...because after unplugging the 2nd monitor, and relaunching fusion with only 1 monitor. then bug still appears just the same. just wanted to rule that one out as a possibility |
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@cryinkfly can you please run the following 2 simple commands in four ubuntu 20.04 wineprefix? Or perhaps you don't have it anymore. then in your current fusion360 install (on other distro) winetricks --version
winetricks list-installedthanks |
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A good day today! ok @cryinkfly i have been experimenting some more, and now is found the 'best current known solution' for avoiding this bug. So can you update your instructions, please for this is minor change! But it really helps. Here in the following step Replace this step: 19.) Run this command: winecfg -> Go to libraries -> Change these options:
d3d10core = disabled
d3d11 = native
d3d9 = builtin
dxgi = nativeWith this new instruction: 19.) Run this command: winecfg -> Go to libraries -> Change these options:
d3d11 = builtin
+ADD BRIEF EXPLANATORY TEXT HERE, SEE BELOW vv VERBOSE COMMENTSso what does this do? Well it appears to override the BUT ALSO: when i changed this 1 thing, it also fixed the other issue. Where the 'Brower' floating menus kept appearing above all other windows. So that graphics glitch is gone too. For the other 3 dlls in your list here... i do know know what is the point. so i did not change any other ones. at least for OpenGL graphics mode. which is what we are using now. So i think maybe don't include them anymore. they just seem for dx9 / dx10 stuff only. which we don't use. HOWEVER maybe it's a nice 'experiment' to see what happens in fusion360 dx9, or dx10 or dx11 modes, to change them all to dxvk (vulkan) by setting override = BUILTIN. on all of them. and then see with the latest dxvk version 181 what happens. If it's still worse than OpenGL mode. I think this is a well considered recommendation here. And not to need to worry too much else (for this graphics bug). However I shall continue testing today, from the beginning again. To double check there is indeed fixed properly. So if i find anything else will report back. BTW 1 by clicking "REMOVE" button on the d3d11 in the winecfg libraries dlls list. it does also solve the main graphics flashing glitches problem. for this bug we raised. HOWEVER it does not also fix the floating Browser menu always ontop. If you understand that? Because those are some QT5 gui widgets / gui elements, thats being rendered by QT... which still has other weird bugs in it. when combined with the graphics calls it sends to lower layers. SO this is why the new recommendation is not to 'remove'. But instead to change to 'BUILTIN' = dxvk dll override instead. And hope that the future vulkan dxvk releases after 181 does not break anything new. Since fusion is also updated too in future ;) BTW 2 here was the smoking gun i eventually saw, using this command [id:~/Games/autodesk-fusion-360] $ ps -aux | grep -i "autodesk"
id 428049 0.0 0.1 2016264 70916 ? Sl 09:45 0:02 C:/Program Files/Autodesk/webdeploy/production/5873edb3ce0a7ce93d3ee911f7ba68d35a7e5862/adexmtsv.exe C:/ProgramData/Autodesk/Common/Material Library/20081401/adexmtsv_prod.cfg -p /tmp/20081401id
id 428145 0.0 0.1 2027692 68900 ? Sl 09:45 0:00 C:\users\id\Application Data\Autodesk\ADPSDK\bin\ADPClientService.exe -f C:\users\id\Application Data\Autodesk\ADPSDK\JSON
id 429215 0.0 0.2 3880444 182692 ? Sl 09:45 0:03 C:/Program Files/Autodesk/webdeploy/production/5873edb3ce0a7ce93d3ee911f7ba68d35a7e5862/Win64/AdCefWebBrowser.exe --disable-d3d11 --log-severity=disabled --lang=en -remote-debugging-port=1234 --product-version=Neutron/2.0.10032 --no-proxy-server --cache-path=C:/users/id/Temp/Autodesk/BrowserCache/2.0.10032
id 429999 0.1 0.3 2651100 244404 ? Sl 09:46 0:06 C:\Program Files\Autodesk\webdeploy\production\5873edb3ce0a7ce93d3ee911f7ba68d35a7e5862\Win64\AdCefWebBrowser.exe --type=gpu-process --no-sandbox --disable-d3d11 --lang=en --log-file=C:/users/id/Temp/Autodesk/BrowserCache/2.0.10032\debug.log --log-severity=disable --product-version=Neutron/2.0.10032 Chrome/59.0.3071 --supports-dual-gpus=false --gpu-driver-bug-workarounds=7,10,20,21,24,43,76 --disable-gl-extensions=GL_KHR_blend_equation_advanced GL_KHR_blend_equation_advanced_coherent --gpu-vendor-id=0x10de --gpu-device-id=0x1d01 --gpu-driver-vendor --gpu-driver-version --gpu-driver-date=4-22-2021 --lang=en --log-file=C:/users/id/Temp/Autodesk/BrowserCache/2.0.10032\debug.log --log-severity=disable --product-version=Neutron/2.0.10032 Chrome/59.0.3071 --service-request-channel-token=D1CC0E641E5B0FDCD18F7DA1AD6A48E4 --mojo-platform-channel-handle=776 /prefetch:2
id 430071 0.0 0.3 7679512 205808 ? Ssl 09:46 0:02 C:\Program Files\Autodesk\webdeploy\production\5873edb3ce0a7ce93d3ee911f7ba68d35a7e5862\QtWebEngineProcess.exe --type=renderer --disable-speech-api --enable-threaded-compositing --enable-features=AllowContentInitiatedDataUrlNavigations,TracingServiceInProcess --disable-features=BackgroundFetch,ConsolidatedMovementXY,DnsOverHttpsUpgrade,FormControlsRefresh,MojoVideoCapture,PictureInPicture,SmsReceiver,UseSkiaRenderer,WebPayments,WebUSB --disable-databases --lang=en-US --webengine-schemes=qrc:sLV --device-scale-factor=1 --num-raster-threads=4 --enable-main-frame-before-activation --renderer-client-id=4 --mojo-platform-channel-handle=5300 /prefetch:1
id 430107 0.0 0.2 7657104 195536 ? Ssl 09:46 0:00 C:\Program Files\Autodesk\webdeploy\production\5873edb3ce0a7ce93d3ee911f7ba68d35a7e5862\QtWebEngineProcess.exe --type=renderer --disable-speech-api --enable-threaded-compositing --enable-features=AllowContentInitiatedDataUrlNavigations,TracingServiceInProcess --disable-features=BackgroundFetch,ConsolidatedMovementXY,DnsOverHttpsUpgrade,FormControlsRefresh,MojoVideoCapture,PictureInPicture,SmsReceiver,UseSkiaRenderer,WebPayments,WebUSB --disable-databases --lang=en-US --webengine-schemes=qrc:sLV --device-scale-factor=1 --num-raster-threads=4 --enable-main-frame-before-activation --renderer-client-id=5 --mojo-platform-channel-handle=5612 /prefetch:1
id 430694 0.0 0.2 7660308 191792 ? Ssl 09:46 0:00 C:\Program Files\Autodesk\webdeploy\production\5873edb3ce0a7ce93d3ee911f7ba68d35a7e5862\QtWebEngineProcess.exe --type=renderer --disable-speech-api --enable-threaded-compositing --enable-features=AllowContentInitiatedDataUrlNavigations,TracingServiceInProcess --disable-features=BackgroundFetch,ConsolidatedMovementXY,DnsOverHttpsUpgrade,FormControlsRefresh,MojoVideoCapture,PictureInPicture,SmsReceiver,UseSkiaRenderer,WebPayments,WebUSB --disable-databases --lang=en-US --webengine-schemes=qrc:sLV --device-scale-factor=1 --num-raster-threads=4 --enable-main-frame-before-activation --renderer-client-id=8 --mojo-platform-channel-handle=7516 /prefetch:1
id 438881 0.0 0.0 1950612 64196 ? Sl 09:51 0:01 C:/Program Files/Autodesk/webdeploy/production/5873edb3ce0a7ce93d3ee911f7ba68d35a7e5862/adexmtsv.exe C:/ProgramData/Autodesk/Common/Material Library/20081401/adexmtsv_prod.cfg -p /tmp/20081401id
id 498593 0.0 0.0 1950612 64504 ? Sl 10:27 0:01 C:/Program Files/Autodesk/webdeploy/production/5873edb3ce0a7ce93d3ee911f7ba68d35a7e5862/adexmtsv.exe C:/ProgramData/Autodesk/Common/Material Library/20081401/adexmtsv_prod.cfg -p /tmp/20081401id
id 501487 0.0 0.1 2016200 70708 ? Sl 10:29 0:02 C:/Program Files/Autodesk/webdeploy/production/5873edb3ce0a7ce93d3ee911f7ba68d35a7e5862/adexmtsv.exe C:/ProgramData/Autodesk/Common/Material Library/20081401/adexmtsv_prod.cfg -p /tmp/20081401id
id 501636 0.0 0.0 1909128 39616 ? Sl 10:29 0:00 C:\users\id\Application Data\Autodesk\ADPSDK\bin\ADPClientService.exe -f C:\users\id\Application Data\Autodesk\ADPSDK\JSON
id 502298 0.0 0.2 3947632 189128 ? Sl 10:29 0:02 C:/Program Files/Autodesk/webdeploy/production/5873edb3ce0a7ce93d3ee911f7ba68d35a7e5862/Win64/AdCefWebBrowser.exe --disable-d3d11 --log-severity=disabled --lang=en -remote-debugging-port=1234 --product-version=Neutron/2.0.10032 --no-proxy-server --cache-path=C:/users/id/Temp/Autodesk/BrowserCache/2.0.10032
id 502921 0.0 0.3 7659916 206552 ? Ssl 10:29 0:01 C:\Program Files\Autodesk\webdeploy\production\5873edb3ce0a7ce93d3ee911f7ba68d35a7e5862\QtWebEngineProcess.exe --type=renderer --disable-speech-api --enable-threaded-compositing --enable-features=AllowContentInitiatedDataUrlNavigations,TracingServiceInProcess --disable-features=BackgroundFetch,ConsolidatedMovementXY,DnsOverHttpsUpgrade,FormControlsRefresh,MojoVideoCapture,PictureInPicture,SmsReceiver,UseSkiaRenderer,WebPayments,WebUSB --disable-databases --lang=en-US --webengine-schemes=qrc:sLV --device-scale-factor=1 --num-raster-threads=4 --enable-main-frame-before-activation --renderer-client-id=4 --mojo-platform-channel-handle=5496 /prefetch:1
id 502959 0.0 0.3 7656712 206704 ? Ssl 10:29 0:00 C:\Program Files\Autodesk\webdeploy\production\5873edb3ce0a7ce93d3ee911f7ba68d35a7e5862\QtWebEngineProcess.exe --type=renderer --disable-speech-api --enable-threaded-compositing --enable-features=AllowContentInitiatedDataUrlNavigations,TracingServiceInProcess --disable-features=BackgroundFetch,ConsolidatedMovementXY,DnsOverHttpsUpgrade,FormControlsRefresh,MojoVideoCapture,PictureInPicture,SmsReceiver,UseSkiaRenderer,WebPayments,WebUSB --disable-databases --lang=en-US --webengine-schemes=qrc:sLV --device-scale-factor=1 --num-raster-threads=4 --enable-main-frame-before-activation --renderer-client-id=5 --mojo-platform-channel-handle=5840 /prefetch:1
id 504100 0.0 0.3 7660940 199556 ? Ssl 10:30 0:00 C:\Program Files\Autodesk\webdeploy\production\5873edb3ce0a7ce93d3ee911f7ba68d35a7e5862\QtWebEngineProcess.exe --type=renderer --disable-speech-api --enable-threaded-compositing --enable-features=AllowContentInitiatedDataUrlNavigations,TracingServiceInProcess --disable-features=BackgroundFetch,ConsolidatedMovementXY,DnsOverHttpsUpgrade,FormControlsRefresh,MojoVideoCapture,PictureInPicture,SmsReceiver,UseSkiaRenderer,WebPayments,WebUSB --disable-databases --lang=en-US --webengine-schemes=qrc:sLV --device-scale-factor=1 --num-raster-threads=4 --enable-main-frame-before-activation --renderer-client-id=8 --mojo-platform-channel-handle=5100 /prefetch:1
id 618409 0.0 0.0 9044 2708 pts/2 S+ 11:27 0:00 grep --color=auto -i autodeskall fun and games... Hope it helps. For this new advice. Many thanks for doing these installation guides. Really it helped my a lot. Also it gave me a lot more confidence now to know about dxvk. Like what it is... and also maybe to try out testing WINE for other windows applications. Such as (for example) rhino 3d. Or alibre cad. Because those competing CAD programs use far less resources. And should be much faster / more efficient. Than all the https web requests bloat of fusion360. That does not happen in the other programs. |
I do have an nvidia graphics card but only one monitor (built in laptop monitor). |
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ok thanks it doesnt matter. see my previous last comment here for the solution |
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Sorry that I have reported less the last few days. @dreamcat4 I changed the library's on my system (openSUSE Leap 15.3), but it doesn't work. Crash_d3d11_BUILTIN.mov... but when I also change: = native to dxgi = builtin ... then it (works): Crash_d3d11_and_dxgi_BUILTIN.mp4
Winetricks version: 20210206
I use sometimes my second monitor and so I can tell, that Fusion 360 works also, when you use two monitors. |
... I have tested this and I can tell you, when you use this, then Fusion 360 starts very quickly into the workspace, but with this configuration we get some problems:
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ok thanks. It seems that when you set 'disable' on dlls... it does in fact only partially disable the dll. What happens is that the dll cannot be loaded anymore when the program starts up. However for some weird reason (or bug whatever). The 'disabled' dll is still 'detected' or noticed by fusion360. So this is a problem you will see in the terminal... fusion log will say But if you were to I have tried not on a clean install, and can also see your point about the dxgi.dll. It also needs to be changed to So yes this still needs some more work. I will try again from the beginning. |
I have found this:If you use Wine under XWayland, you can activate the option for "Emulating a virtual desktop" in the Graphics Tab in winecfg, to avoid problems with: and here can you my first start (without) any library's: https://github.com/cryinkfly/Fusion-360---Linux-Wine-Version-/releases/tag/v1.8 @dreamcat4 Thank you verry much for your help!!! |
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how do you use wayland with nvidia GPU ? is that with the noveau drivers? or because of intel IGP / optimus on your laptop? Because with my system the wayland option has been disabled now. For me with proprietary nvidia graphics driver |
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No no .... ^^ I don't use wayland ;D ... but this configuration should be solved some problems, when user's use wayland. |
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@dreamcat4 you steely eyed wine man! I changed d3d11 and dxgi to builtin and it works! Pretty smooth as well! I'm still getting the floating menus across all my virtual desktops however. I wasn't sure what to do with the other DirectX libraries so this is what I currently have set: Is this right? |
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@mike-lloyd03 Yes, your configuration is right. :-) Update: I have changed my manual!
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if you set the Watch notifications button here to "All activity", then you will be notified for new issues. Because we have opened some seperate issue for that bug now. You can see the discussion over on the other issue page. Many thanks |
Thank you so much for the work you've put into making this happen. I just ran through your install instructions and it works! I was able to get Fusion 360 up and running and I opened a model for some testing.
The graphics were very distracting with a flash every time I clicked in the 3D space. I opened a sketch and started clicking around and found the same problems. Overall, everything is a bit sluggish as well. For now, my current KVM solution is a bit faster and smoother.
I saw that you referenced an article from Proton. Is is possible to use Proton to run Fusion 360? Being that it was developed for high FPS gaming, I imagine Proton might work well for a 3D CAD program.
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