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Windows: support of T2 chip equipped hardware #80

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kleuter opened this issue Jul 23, 2018 · 69 comments
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Windows: support of T2 chip equipped hardware #80

kleuter opened this issue Jul 23, 2018 · 69 comments
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@kleuter
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kleuter commented Jul 23, 2018 •
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Currently, the app doesn't work in Windows on computers with T2 chip:

  • iMac Pro
  • MacBook Pro 2018 and later
  • Mac mini 2018 and later
  • MacBook Air 2018 and later

Good news: Windows will be supported! When? Q1 2020. Test builds are in the thread.
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dantheli commented Aug 4, 2018

How can we help if this project is not open source?

@derflatermaus
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Hello, has there been any progress on this? I really need macs fan control to work with my new MBP under windows.

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kleuter commented Sep 1, 2018

If you you know how to control fans under Windows with T2 chip, I'd implement it...
Next month I'll get a 2018 macbook pro for a week or two to do some more tests.

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kleuter commented Sep 24, 2018 •
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Bad news, looks like Apple blocks access to SMC under Windows. Checked again on the MacBookPro15,2 (13 inch). Related blog entry

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derflatermaus commented Sep 24, 2018 via email

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Is fan control reset to auto on shutdown request yet? That's needed at the least to enable using this app and also booting into bootcamp.

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kleuter commented Nov 20, 2018

There's a comment about that:

There is a "workaround" for that, it's a bit messy but can help someone to make his job...
1st, keep in mind, if we use mac fan control in macos - in windows automatic os fan control will not work. fans will just continue to spin on the last value.
So, either, before going to windows - disable overriding system preferences in macos OR set them to fixed values of your choice. Reboot and enjoy the fans spinning at the speed YOU want them and not the one someone else have decided for you.
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The T2 chip can actually be disabled by going into recovery mode and changing the Secure Boot setting to "No Security" as shown here. The only disadvantage of doing this is that Apple Pay will no longer accept Touch ID on your Macbook (If you're on a Macbook), and of course not having Secure Boot.

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kleuter commented May 30, 2019

You can't disable the T2 chip, only Secure Boot enforcements

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Closed because it is impossible?

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kleuter commented Sep 25, 2019

Unfortunately, yes.

@kleuter kleuter changed the title Windows: support of mac computer with T2 chip Windows: app doesn't work with T2 chip Sep 25, 2019
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ovflowd commented Oct 5, 2019

A valid workaround that still allows you to personally control your fans directly on Windows, is for sure, setting the Security Options to "No Security" and it worked. Saying that, it's not recommended if you deal with confidential information or your MacBook is your "work" computer. Since disabling it, allows to non signed software to be run from inside the MacBook. Still, it will block any outside software to be ran if you remain disabling the "External Devices" boot. Also your Apple Pay will no longe be available by your MacBook. You can still encrypt your disk if you think that's enough.

Option "Medium Security" also didn't the trick. Only "No Security".

I prefer doing this rather than setting a fixed fan speed or letting it on automatic mode, for the following reasons:

  1. Running the fans on Maximum always isn't a pleasing.
  2. Auto mode it surely isn't tuned or optimised for Bootcamp, and your MacBook will quickly start to suffer CPU throttling.

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kleuter commented Oct 5, 2019 •
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"setting the Security Options to "No Security" and it worked"
Hardly. Or post a screenshot of the app running Windows, please 😉

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ovflowd commented Oct 8, 2019

Sorry @kleuter false premise. I thought the app was running, because I have two MacBooks. One with T2 chip (2018 model) and one 2017 model.

And I mistaken both of them. Just saw that the App doesn't allow to be executed on the 2018 model.

Sorry for the false positive :)

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kleuter commented Oct 9, 2019

No problem 😉

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kleuter commented Nov 18, 2019

It's probably possible, we're currently working on the final answer to this question. Let's hope

"Hope is a good thing, may be the best of the things. And good thing never dies"

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Awesome! Thank you @kleuter for the update and your persistent hard work.

Looks like the results are very promising! 👍 (I had an unrelated setback on my end which prevented me from trying it, but I anticipate using this in the very near future.) Super glad and thankful.

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Kudos for getting this working! Can't wait to try it out!
Apparently you also need to disable Secure Boot from macOS to be able to enable the TESTSIGNING boot mode... Which I can't really seem to be able to do for some reason.

Any ETA on the EV certificate?

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Tried on my macbook pro 13" 2018 and it seems to be working fine

Cattura

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PietroArsi commented Dec 21, 2019 •
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Now I can't start the program that this pops up

Cattura

Update: reinstalled and now it works fine

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kleuter commented Dec 21, 2019 •
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Apparently you also need to disable Secure Boot from macOS

No, it's not needed.

Any ETA on the EV certificate?

January.

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ghost commented Dec 23, 2019

MacBook Pro 13" 2018 (MacBookPro15,2) working perfectly! Thanks!
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Just a note for all too fast users:
You have to restart windows after applying TESTSIGNING ON. Its in the documentation, but I overlooked it anyway...

Thankssss so much! Works like a charm! MacMini 2018.

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L-Delorme commented Dec 26, 2019 •
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@kleuter I had to change the Startup Security Utility settings within macOS Recovery to be able to turn testsigning on. If Secure Boot is set to either 'Full Security' or 'Medium Security', the unsigned driver won't load as Windows won't be in Test Mode... It won't be a problem once we have the final 1.6.0 version but it's something to keep in mind for now.

With Secure Boot set to 'No Security', I was able to install Macs Fan Control and it works great! It starts up on subsequent restarts as well. Thanks again for finally making this possible!
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Can I make one suggestion? I know this is kinda off topic but...
Would it be possible to add a "CPU Max" sensor value like the one we currently have for the battery for example?

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kleuter commented Jan 4, 2020 •
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  1. For all who enabled the TESTSIGNING mode - DISABLE IT, UNINSTALL the app and restart.

1. Apple Secure Boot must be disabled! not required

  1. After that, you're welcome to test the signed build 😌

One more thing. If you're planning on buying the Pro version, please hurry up.
Currently the price is for both macOS&Windows, after the official release, you'd have to pay extra for Windows support.

Cheers.

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kleuter commented Jan 4, 2020 •
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@L-Delorme

Would it be possible to add a "CPU Max" sensor value like the one we currently have for the battery for example?

What would you think of this?

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eratical commented Jan 5, 2020

One more thing. If you're planning on buying the Pro version, please hurry up.
Currently the price is for both macOS&Windows, after the official release, you'd have to pay extra for Windows support.

Thx for the info, just bought it :-)

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HamBoot commented Jan 5, 2020

@kleuter I tested the signed build but it says "Error initializing SMC layer......". I also tried to reinstall it to see if it will work but it didn't worked. This is my first time trying the build, therefore I didn't enabled the TESTSIGNING mode. Do i also have to set my Secure Boot to "No Security"? Thanks!
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PietroArsi commented Jan 5, 2020 •
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One more thing. If you're planning on buying the Pro version, please hurry up.
Currently the price is for both macOS&Windows, after the official release, you'd have to pay extra for Windows support.

You mean that there won’t be a free version of mac fan control for windows?

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kleuter commented Jan 5, 2020 •
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Apple Secure Boot must be disabled! no longer needed, solved!

You mean that there won’t be a free version of mac fan control for windows?

No I didn't mean it 😃

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kleuter commented Jan 5, 2020 •
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Good news, turning off secure boot is no longer required (the driver is now properly signed)
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It works, guys! Great work @kleuter!

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jtborger commented Jan 6, 2020 •
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Great work! I will test as soon as Im on my windows Mac again!
btw I bought the pro version :) Just to thank you for your work!

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kleuter commented Jan 6, 2020 •
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Great!

@jtborger
Thanks!

Currently there's only one BIG thing stops me from releasing it officially - BSOD when connecting external eGPU #259

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ovflowd commented Jan 6, 2020

Great work, dude! Splendid. Amazing. Let me buy you a coffee! (If you have Patreon or GH Sponsors)

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HamBoot commented Jan 6, 2020 •
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Great!

@jtborger
Thanks!

Currently there's only one BIG thing stops me from releasing it officially - BSOD when connecting external eGPU #259

@kleuter

Yes, when connecting my eGPU BSOD happens. I don't know why but if I don't connect my eGPU, it works without problems. I tried opening the app after connecting the eGPU many times and said "No fans detected, please try to reset SMC". I tried resetting the SMC but BSOD happend again. By the way, I mainly use my Windows Bootcamp for gaming. Therefore, I really need the app to work with eGPU connected. I hope the problem will be solved. But still, great work!

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kleuter commented Jan 6, 2020 •
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@HamBoot
Thanks for the report. Please write your eGPU box & gpu models in #259, looks like I have to buy a eGPU enclosure.

@ovflowd you can buy the Pro edition if you'd like to appreciate.

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kleuter commented Jan 7, 2020

Ok, BSOD is fixed, everyone is advised to update to the latest build

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Hello,
I tried to download the latest version but the software always has an "error initializing SMC layer". I tried to unable testsigning mode and disable secure boot. i do not know the exact reason for that but i think it is because I am using the unofficial GPU drivers from bootcampdrivers.com. Do i need to use official drivers for this to work?

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Hello,
I tried to download the latest version but the software always has an "error initializing SMC layer". I tried to unable testsigning mode and disable secure boot. i do not know the exact reason for that but i think it is because I am using the unofficial GPU drivers from bootcampdrivers.com. Do i need to use official drivers for this to work?

I have a 16“ MBP with the unofficial drivers and the latest version works fine...

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kleuter commented Jan 12, 2020

@biglarryglz any error during installation? Which type of hardware do you have?

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kleuter commented Jan 12, 2020 •
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@biglarryglz hold on, a new build (official, not beta) is coming tomorrow.

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kleuter commented Jan 13, 2020

Must be working in 1.5.4 now officially
https://github.com/crystalidea/macs-fan-control/releases/tag/v1.5.4

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