Investigate Digital Locks

[nelsonic]

This issue operates under the assumption that "in the future" locks will not use "metal" keys...
Keycard, Code, Mobile Phone, Watch or Biometric entry will be the "norm" both for convenience and security.

• initial investigation
  • 6 Great Electronic Door Locks for Your Home: http://www.safewise.com/blog/finding-the-perfect-electronic-door-lock-for-your-home/
  • Samsung SHS-H700: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00KPLLZ0I/

[barisbalic]

As per quietspace#27 consider a remote control lock where you can set up a relay to manipulate the remote.

[nelsonic]

@barisbalic thanks for the suggestion/idea, do you have any examples you've uncovered from your research?

[barisbalic]

@nelsonic afraid nothing specific, I just glanced over a few google searches previously for locks with remotes, will have a quick look tonight and see if any stand out, but really if you're going to interfere with one, probably one that has two remotes or a remote and a key mechanism. Just In Case(:tm:)

[nelsonic]

@barisbalic yeah, backup key mech is a good plan. 👍

[mk4111]

@nelsonic - not sure if this issue or #27 on quietspace is the best place to post this but I've just had a reply from a company regarding Access Control systems; he's asking how many users will have access to the office, and I'm wondering whether:

• we're only concerned with No.16 to begin with
• there area a rough total of users (including new hotdesk-ers) that will be joining the space (assuming the above)?
• it's ok for me to take additional photos of the doors (namely the surrounds from the inside and outside) and send them to a company who has requested for this --> just checking to see if there are any security risks there (I won't post it on GH if that makes it safer...?)

[mk4111]

Update following our first site survey:

Company A suggests that he will quote us for 2 options:

(1) Magnets

• Triple Magnet mechanism; most companies only use two magnets but in the case that one magnet fails, one active magnet may not be sufficient to prevent people from using brute force to open the door.

(2) AV2

Something like this:

• surveyor suggests implementing a system with three of these in place that will all open/close at the same time.
• Mentioned that there are two types: a 'basic' type that rotates out to 90degrees (like a deadlock system) and another by 'Winkhaus' that rotates out to an angle. He recommends the latter as the 'basic' option can be prone to brute force opening. He has said that he will provide us quotes with both these options though.

Like the company above, this company also asked how many cards/fobs will be needed; I told him that I assume between 30-50 people but that I'm awaiting confirmation. The reason he asked was because some systems are cheaper to install, but the fobs themselves are more expensive (~20GBP) to buy/replace, and vice versa.

Looking to get an estimate from this company mid next week! In the mean time am working on arranging more site surveys!

[nelsonic]

@mk4111 great progress! look forward to seeing the quote. ❤️

[mk4111]

We have a few options:

• Company A has provided us with a quote for the two options described above:
  • Option A = £2128.15+VAT (3 magnetic locks).
  • Option B = £2468.68+VAT (Winkhaus multipoint locking system)
• Company B has provided us with a quote of £1950+VAT (1 magnet lock for max 50 fobs). Price subject to on-site survey.
• Company C (who has come for a site survey) has said they will get back to us with a quote this week.

Have forwarded relevant emails to @nelsonic !

[mk4111]

Updating for Company C - for the installation of 1 magnet lock (details in email sent to @nelsonic):

• Keypad option: Supplied and installed - £1,286.00 + VAT
• 10 fobs: Supplied and installed - £1,432.00 + VAT

Of the companies contacted, that was the last quote. Should we get more quotes?
A few companies could only do site surveys weeks/a month in advance (probably should have booked them at the time of asking but didn't think it would take so long for people to get back to us).

[nelsonic]

@mk4111 thanks for following up on getting these quotes. ✅
I read through the email details and "Company C" appear to have the "simplest" system
whereas "Company A" have the "most secure" (3 magnetic locks)

Baring in mind that the lock at the office currently only has One lock, I don't see an issue with going for a similar level of locking in the electronic form.
I think we should go with the Keypad option because its easier to change the code when a person ends their membership. (unless the "fob" system comes with software and a database to track who the fob belongs to... could you please confirm if the fobs are uniquely identifiable or if they all have the same RFID token?)

@iteles let me know when you have time to discuss.

[ghost]

@mk4111 could we also get quotes from Paxton Net2 and SALTO?

Your estimate for number of fobs required was accurate - would likely be around 40 - 32 (ish) active users and the rest (8) as spares

The above systems are unique fobs with programmable databases. The former I used at a previous company, the latter was the system at my university college - I think they might be good for what we need, albeit the potential cost is a concern.

Relates to dwyl/focus-hub#27

[ghost]

@mk4111 Chris Lewis Fire & Security (01865 782 444) are security consultants that deal with this kind of stuff. We could go with someone like them, but bare in mind they'll act as a middle-man and increase the cost vs us doing this ourselves