desktop download page could link to 3rd party repos

[fodrice]

There are gentoo overlay matrix. It contains riot-web overlay. But, no links to matrix overlay here https://riot.im/desktop.html. And no direct links on deb and rpm packages. So no debian users must searching hard to find binary packages... Why...
So, please.

1. Add link on matrix overlay for gentoo.
2. And, add direct link to deb package (and if possible simple tar,gz archive binary for other distributions)
3. Also, it wiil be usefull to add deb and rpm packages on github releases page.

[t3chguy]

@fodrice that page only lists officially maintained releases, which are only windows, mac and debian/ubuntu REPOSITORY
there are even insturctions on how to make use of the repository

Providing the debs on their own is useless as they don't self-update

[t3chguy]

as for tar.gz, not that simple because of the electron dependency, there are enough instructions in the README on how to build your own desktop riot-web: https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web#running-as-a-desktop-app

[t3chguy]

as for rpm, its not safe to link to that because its not maintained by the core team and thus lags behind in its release cycle

[fodrice]

Okey. Just one question guys: why other "no ubuntu/debian users" must use google to install your app. I said: they dont. They will searhing for some more "user friendly" app for messaging. Cause they can not just install it in 2-3 simple actions.
Thats why i`m using Telegram not riot. I fouded unofficial overlay for gentoo today... I've known about Riot for over a year now. I can just download tar.gz/deb from telergram-desctop github. I can just download skype, signal, qtox... I can not do this with riot.
Why you can not just add "unofficial repos" list. If you not provided "safe" binaries, allow others do it for you. Add links, post warning for not official.

they don't self-update.

It is not your problem - it is users problem. If I (as a gentoo/arch/(other not official supported distribution) user) can use external binaries and overlays. I can update manually. If there not official support riot in distribution... At least user can download your messanger (it will usefull to add dependencies in readme inside deb file), unpack and launch it.

[fodrice]

Just look at yours download page and Tox download page.. https://tox.chat/download.html#oses

[t3chguy]

It is not your problem - it is users problem.

There no update check mechanism, so security updates which can lead to XSS Exploits would not get patched by the subset of users you are fighting for (as they are also the sort of users not to go and manually check for updates by comparing version numbers)

[fodrice]

There no update check mechanism.

There no ANOTHER simple way for gentoo (and other no deb) users. Cause THERE NOT OFFICIAL SUPPORT. Also, there is no way to discuss about auto updates on unofficial distributions.
And one more thing...

There no update check mechanism

ORLY There is no update check mechanism in messanager app. In messanger app with otr encryption no mechanism to check updates...
Add it. There are sort of users that turned off auto updates on their platform...

[t3chguy]

@fodrice everything listed on https://riot.im/desktop.html HAS AN UPDATE CHECK MECHANISM

gentoo overlay (but would be updated oob), linux debs, linux rpms, etc do NOT

[t3chguy]

I'm not sure how you can have a universal update check yet support third party releases, which might not follow the same release cycle

[fodrice]

everything listed on https://riot.im/desktop.html HAS AN UPDATE CHECK MECHANISM

So this deb packages "HAS AN UPDATE CHECK MECHANISM". Why you can not add DIRECT link on it ? Or add it on your github release page ?
https://riot.im/packages/debian/pool/main/r/riot-web/

[t3chguy]

The deb itself doesn't, it replies on apt to update it, that is its update check mechanism as electron-builder does not support linux updating

[MTRNord]

@fodrice not the DEB has the update checker. APT has it which basicly is a DEB downloader

[fodrice]

ohhh apt update...
"There are sort of users that turned off auto updates on their platform..." remember ? Cause apt-get update can dramatically breake you system...

If I launched old riot. Will there be an out-of-date version message? Yes ? Okay, no problems, users can manual update their stuff. No ? So if user disabled auto update and do not use apt-update every day....

Ofcourse, there so hard to add small js script with version check request...

[t3chguy]

on Linux there won't be an out-of-date message because of lack of support in electron-builder

[fodrice]

on Linux there won't be an out-of-date message because of lack of support in electron-builder

I do not believe that there is no workaround to make "out of date" notification.

[t3chguy]

You're not wrong, feel free to change your issue title to something more constructive along that path then?

[fodrice]

This issue about troubles with your "downloads" page for linux without downloads. Without even official packages. There no waranty for updates and no "out of date" notification. But you will not add "not safe" official deb. All your stuff is unsafe...
Make your Download page more friendly for advanced linux users (but not linux developers). Or not. Do whatever you want. "I fouded unofficial overlay for gentoo today... I've known about Riot for over a year now." Now, finally, I found a way to install it in my system without magic. And YES it is not up to date (net-im/riot-web-0.13.4).
That's all I wanted to say.

[t3chguy]

advanced linux users

that are allergic to the command line?

[t3chguy]

@fodrice you may want to consider finding something more up to date, 0.13.5 was a security update. https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/releases/tag/v0.13.5

[fodrice]

that are allergic to the command line?

that are allergic to the build instructions.

[t3chguy]

How is

at all build instructions?

there is a link to the build instructions at the bottom of that screenshot, the rest of it is install instructions for ubuntu and debian

[fodrice]

How to install it on Gentoo on Arch on SUSE on RHEL on Centos....

[t3chguy]

right so you mean linux users of unofficially supported linux distros

so basically:

Support more distros
Which is issues like https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/4873
and #3781

[fodrice]

Oh wait. There is build instructions link...

[fodrice]

If you do not provide support. At least, give link on binary package on official download site. You can not provide packages FOR EVERY linux distribution. There are dozens of them.

[fodrice]

https://www.skype.com/en/get-skype/
Feel the difference

[t3chguy]

Skype has a self-updating deb, which is not possible using electron-builder
(or their deb injects an apt-entry, which too is not possible via electron-builder)

[fodrice]

User do not care about your possibilities. It care that he can not just download your app.

[ara4n]

agreed that we should link to 3rd party repositories for other distributions (with a proviso that we don't maintain them).

@fodrice: i've got your point, no need to reiterate it further.

[turt2live]

Sticking this on @nadonomy 's list

[t3chguy]

This got done