Change default of ess-eval-visibly?

[jabranham]

What do people think about changing the default of ess-eval-visibly? I think the current default, which blocks Emacs, comes as a surprise to a lot of people, especially newcomers. IME it's one of the first things people change or they get frustrated by.

I'd probably chose nil over nowait since our output isn't perfect.

[lionel-]

I agree with your analysis.

[vspinu]

Agreed. Other emacs interactive environments do similar stuff as our nil setting.

[jabranham]

Done in 625041a

[lionel-]

I have just tried nil visibility and I find the output confusing. It's difficult to distinguish boundaries between evaluation batches. Also there's nothing to remind the user what expressions produced the output. What do you think about switching to 'nowait? I expect this setting to be a better compromise for most users.

[jabranham]

I'm agnostic about nil vs nowait. They both have their own pros and cons.

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[lionel-]

What are the cons of nowait?

[jabranham]

I seem to recall that nowait sometimes messes up indentation or something like that? Been a while since I used it though. It's also easier to see output with nil since you can fit more in the window (though as you point out, harder to tell what it's output from)

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[gdkrmr]

+1 for 'nowait

[vspinu]

Nowait with regions will not result in inter-woven input-output as people might expect. But, indeed, it results in better delineation of execution chunks, and that's good enough.

I personally prefer nil to nowait as I almost never scrol up, and when I do, I usually know what kind of output I look for. + less garbage etc.

I am quite indifferent, we can go with 'nowait if majority so desire.