statement to express community solidarity #646
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Thanks for making this happen <3 We don't necessarily need the full Nav, but I do think our logo should still be on the page, to explicitly and visually confirm that Ember stands behind this message. I'm otherwise thumbs up.
This is not a blocker, but I'd be down for either some design tweak that communicated that the list goes on and on, that it's not just the folks listed here. Or since design resources are scarce, some verbiage saying that is probably easier.
Lastly, we should get sign off from any members of the Steering Committee who haven't already. I can't tag the team, but I'll manually add the folks as requested reviewers.
Thanks again for making this happen!
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My only concern is that (from reviewing Percy) this also takes down the Community Guidelines that is linked to from many places and feels important to be available for review. |
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To clarify, my concern is not linking to the guidelines from the message, but ensuring the URL for the guidelines http://emberjs.com/guidelines still has them available to peruse. |
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I am in favor of this change. I was happy to see Ember used at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic to quickly roll out a global tracking dashboard, and I hope Ember will similarly be used now in the pursuit of justice. I believe this PR strikes the right balance of making a bold statement while keeping learning content available for people building applications to hold the powerful accountable. Second, we serve an international audience and the U.S. does not have a monopoly on injustice. We should use this opportunity to start defining a set of rules for when and how we make these kinds of statements, to avoid sending the signal that only American pain matters. But that discussion feels too academic to have right at this moment, when my Black brothers and sisters are being murdered by militarized police who are never held accountable for their actions. As small of a gesture this is, I want them to know that we are united in their struggle and that Black Lives Matter. |
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This looks good to me. |
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Not against the message, but I'm curious why this issue is singled out. I think you (the US) has a pretty flawed justice system[1][2][3][4] and these flaws has been known for a long time. But it's not just you. For example, the Philippine police has been on a fairly well-documented killing spree[5][6][7] during the past few years, in a country where police is killing about ~10x as many per year compared to the US. Again, I'm not against open-source projects taking a stance. Though personally, I think it would be better to focus on issues closer to the software field, e.g. software patents and government efforts to weaken encryption. Obviously there is a ton of social and economical injustices that one could get involved in. However, your flawed justice system is actually pretty functional compared to some other places. So if you want to be non-discriminatory in what causes you support, up next should be a 10x longer blackout to support everyone killed by police in the Philippines, and then on to the next[8] one[9]. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that from my perspective (Sweden), your country broken in so many ways (it's also great in many aspects). But I don't see how this issue is different from what goes on all the time, in many other countries — or from all the other problems your justice system, or country in general, has. Americans often forget that there is a whole world out there. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plea_bargain |
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Thank you for your comments. I acknowledge that there is a lot of grief--and concern-- worldwide, for what is going on right now. First, just to make it perfectly clear, in case it is not (to you or anyone else reading this thread), that I am a member of Ember's Steering Committee, the team that handles governance for the project as a whole, and I am responding to this comment as a member of that governing body, to the extent that I am empowered to do so. I think Tom summed it up well in his comment, stating that the conversation at large is a necessary one to have, but feels too academic to have right now...and especially in lieu of action. I don't think it is ever productive to engage in whataboutism, but especially not right now. After conversation with the team that maintains this repository, we've decided to lock this thread for further comments. We do plan to have more conversations, both in our leadership and in our community at large, about how Ember intends to scope its responses and what we think those appropriate boundaries look like in general-- this thread is simply not the appropriate place for those conversations. Finally, we intend to follow our community code of conduct as we have any conversations, and we expect the same from every member of our community. |
Requesting merge (to revert when appropriate) or temporary branch deployment.
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As requested by https://twitter.com/kwuchu/status/1267438396340932610